Warning: Magazines are scarce - everyone is buying


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wacki
November 4, 2008, 08:58 PM
I've been stocking up on magazines and it seems so has everyone else. AIM surplus is out of pmags and won't have any more for another two weeks. Sales rep said they've sold over 10,000 30rd pmags this week (and it's Tuesday). I called at lunch today. It took me a half an hour to get through. They only accept pre-orders right now as they are all out.

If an AWB ban starts rearing it's ugly head, I suggest you buy early because you won't be able to do it the weeks before the bill passes.

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PTK
November 4, 2008, 09:07 PM
Er.... nothing major should happen until January, and why did you wait until your perceived last minute to get things you need?

harmonic
November 4, 2008, 09:08 PM
I never understood why, when you people never felt compelled to "stock up" on mags, ammo, ARs, (or whatever), suddenly feel compelled to "stock up" in an election year.

What change do you anticipate that will necessitate your having numerous high capacity mags? What's going to happen that you think you're going to need so many high capacity mags, etc?

If Joe Blow has never had a use for an AR before, has gone his entire life without an AR, then he still doesn't need an AR. And probably won't need an AR five years from now.

Stop fueling the panic.

JDoe
November 4, 2008, 10:11 PM
Bah, all this talk of shortages of ammo and shortages of magazines and shortages of whatever is all untrue.

Just went through the indoor range where I usually shoot and they are overflowing with ammo and magazines. Earlier today I took a look at wally world and they too are overflowing with ammo.

Looks like the sellers overstocked in anticipation of a rush that didn't materialize. Actually the indoor range had marked down their cases of 500 rds of Federal XM193 by $10.00 vs a week ago.

moooose102
November 4, 2008, 10:26 PM
I never understood why, when you people never felt compelled to "stock up" on mags, ammo, ARs, (or whatever), suddenly feel compelled to "stock up" in an election

that's easy. so they can pay more money! but not nearly as much as in the next few weeks if obabma is elected!

wacki
November 4, 2008, 10:37 PM
What change do you anticipate that will necessitate your having numerous high capacity mags? What's going to happen that you think you're going to need so many high capacity mags, etc?

Um... the same thing that happened during the Clinton years, only permanent. Having and not needing is much better than needing and not having.

If Joe Blow has never had a use for an AR before, has gone his entire life without an AR, then he still doesn't need an AR. And probably won't need an AR five years from now.

Um... I own an AR. If I won the lottery I'd own a FS2000, Sig 556, Steyr Aug, HK ....

What is wrong with you?

Kino74
November 4, 2008, 11:12 PM
AR15 receivers are a hot commodity down here. I bough one and would have gotten another but I was too slow and they sold out WHILE I was examing an Essential Arms lower receiver.
Also a much older gentleman, this guy must have been 80 or close to it, walked in and picked up 3 30rd AR15 magazines. I got to order now.

Bill2e
November 4, 2008, 11:36 PM
The need is because I am fine with 2 when I can always replace what I have, but when I can't I now must have enough to last a life time.

Zane
November 4, 2008, 11:38 PM
I never understood why, when you people never felt compelled to "stock up" on mags, ammo, ARs, (or whatever), suddenly feel compelled to "stock up" in an election year

I just started shooting seriously this year, so I look at this as "my chance" to buy before they are restricted. I've been trying to buy a specific configuration for about 3 weeks now, with little success.

Onmilo
November 4, 2008, 11:44 PM
MagPul products of all sorts are in short supply right now.
I am starting to wonder if they stopped producing anything, are in the process of moving to a larger facility or are expanding their facility, went bankrupt, workers went on strike, who knows, and the rep isn't talking over at arfcom.
The products are popular, no doubt.

JWarren
November 4, 2008, 11:59 PM
If Joe Blow has never had a use for an AR before, has gone his entire life without an AR, then he still doesn't need an AR. And probably won't need an AR five years from now.


We'll be hearing this again in the future, I suspect.


-- John

Justin
November 5, 2008, 01:49 AM
What change do you anticipate that will necessitate your having numerous high capacity mags?

I'm a regular Multigun competitor.

Duh.

Of course, the very fact that you're attempting to define things in terms of needing this-or-that gun, amount of ammo, or magazines only goes to demonstrate that you're very plainly barking up the wrong tree. In a free nation, free citizens shouldn't have to justify their ownership of inanimate property by demonstrating some sort of need.

ilbob
November 5, 2008, 09:12 AM
The free market will adjust to the supply/demand forces. People will be buying ARs and other guns, ammo, and mags for a while. Nothing really wrong with that.

Ironically, I bet a fair number of them voted Obama. After it sinks in, they may decide they need to hedge their bets a little.

vzenmn
November 5, 2008, 09:49 AM
I got everything I wanted 6 months ago so I'm not really worried about it. In fact I think it is a good thing for me sense there is a gun show this weekend. If there is a big panic mabye I can sell a few guns to help pay for the 970 dollar car insurance bill I got to pay by the end of the month.

My only concern is that people might fail to save a few extra dollars to give to the gun rights movement and for ink and paper to remind their congressman what happened in the 94 election after the first AWB passed.

rbernie
November 5, 2008, 09:56 AM
What change do you anticipate that will necessitate your having numerous high capacity mags? What's going to happen that you think you're going to need so many high capacity mags, etc?Because they, like all man-made objects, eventually break and wear out (usually in direct proportion to the amount of use they get).

I'd sure hate the crack the feedlips off my last handful of mags at the range in a year and find out that I can't buy any more because they've suddenly been banned.

benEzra
November 5, 2008, 10:11 AM
If Joe Blow has never had a use for an AR before, has gone his entire life without an AR, then he still doesn't need an AR. And probably won't need an AR five years from now.
I went my entire life without an AK until I bought an AK (in 2003). What a coincidence.

It may be that "Joe Blow" hasn't bought an AR yet because he had other financial priorities, not because he didn't want one.

LTB15J
November 5, 2008, 10:16 AM
im already in a communist state. got plenty of 10 round pmags to hold me over, yay

mpress
November 5, 2008, 10:25 AM
Brownells has/had the black windowed Pmags in stock. The rest of the Pmags were out of stock.

Onmilo
November 5, 2008, 10:35 AM
Instead of 'Joe Blow', don't you mean "Joe Plumber"?:D

sherman123
November 5, 2008, 10:52 AM
i havent gotten into the rush to buy spare magazines(yet) because he won't be taking office til January and most importantly I'm too broke right now. But I don't see why what the big problem is with stocking up on them. Even if it's a waste and there is no major gun control laws in effect in the next four years at least it's helping the economy when it needs it most.

indoorsoccerfrea
November 5, 2008, 11:04 AM
question on mags...do the polymer waffle design mags last? i have heard varyign reports...some people say they break easily, others say they last forever. just wondering...anyone had any experience with them?

rbernie
November 5, 2008, 11:12 AM
do the polymer waffle design mags last?Depends on who made them.

ComBloc surplus polymer? Sure.

Thermolds and ProMags - not so much.

fspitzdorf
November 5, 2008, 11:14 AM
Finally collected enough funds this week to pull the trigger (no pun intended) on an AR Upper assy... I was browsing Midway and they were going from in stock to out of stock quicker than flapjacks in front of lumberjacks... Appears Brownells is already out of stock on everything and looks like DPMS has a 6 month backorder on complete upper assy's...Hang on for the ride... Just a few of the more "popular" examples... lot of other choices out there... The panic attack has set in... Whether it is a ligitimate fear or not.

I could use one or two magazines though... ;)

indoorsoccerfrea
November 5, 2008, 11:20 AM
thx bernie

JDoe
November 5, 2008, 11:29 AM
Folks there are a gazillion magazines for sale on line all you need to do is look. I just checked one site and they have over 2,000 of the 30 round AR mags in stock (various manufacturers) and a similar number of 10 and 20 rounders.

indoorsoccerfrea
November 5, 2008, 11:38 AM
just ordered a 50 rd steel galil mag that im going to convert to saiga...great buy. about 50% the cost of a saiga mag...

ilbob
November 5, 2008, 03:56 PM
I just checked one site and they have over 2,000 of the 30 round AR mags in stock (various manufacturers) and a similar number of 10 and 20 rounders.what site is that?

by the way, how do the plastic orelite magazines work? I see they are advertised as working in bushmasters. is that the only ar they will work in?

AirPower
November 5, 2008, 04:12 PM
Orlites are not that great. Get the Pmags if you want polymer mags. Otherwise USGI mags are just fine.

jkittle99
November 5, 2008, 09:42 PM
Actually - I have a project AR-15 that I put together from a stag lower, stag complete upper (i swear, it was a coincidence) and dpms trigger group. It doesn't like USGI mags one bit (FTF, FTE, etc) but I've never had a single problem when using orlites. The ones that AIM has (the mag-790s) work amazing in my AR-15, I just bought another 10 of them (I'm at somwehere around 20).

I repeat - my Stag 15 hates USGI mags. And I'm not just talking cheap ones, It doesnt like them at all.

For 9 bucks a mag, how can you lose?

Gun Slinger
November 5, 2008, 10:04 PM
Keep buying folks. Buy as much as you can. Buy extras so that you can sell them at a healthy profit after the enactment of another AWB. Buy. Buy. Buy.

Increases in purchasing like this is what keeps our firearms industry strong and viable. We spend more money, they make more products. Furthermore, if the market is saturated with high capacity magazines after (if) another AWB is enacted prices should remain a little lower for a while since there'll be a ton of supply.

Magazines are just like Doritos --they'll make more! :)

LTB15J
November 5, 2008, 10:06 PM
funny. assembled magazines are still everywhere...

and even if they werent, you can still buy rebuild kits from a hundred different places at a good price. whats stopping you from doing that? saves money, at the downside of having to assemble it yourself.

(oh no, not 10 seconds of your time)



can we stop the BS now?

Auburn1992
November 5, 2008, 10:09 PM
Ha. I was talking to a guy who worked at Sportsmans Warehouse yesterday, and guess what he said.

He said a guy had come in two days ago and bought EIGHT guns. That's right EIGHT. There were like two AR's, four handguns, and two other long guns (of which he didn't remember). He said that guy's total bill was a whopping $4,200!

If only I had that money.

LTB15J
November 5, 2008, 10:11 PM
4200? for two ar's plus others? hmm

i could easily build an AR for 3500 without breaking sweat!

BikerNut
November 6, 2008, 04:00 PM
...that it took me almost 5 minutes to find some. I just bought some 30-rd and 20-rd AR mags from the DPMS web site, and the UPS tracking e-mail they sent me shows that it was shipped out the same day I placed the order.

Walkalong
November 6, 2008, 04:04 PM
I have about 5 to 10 or so of every kind I use. That seems plenty. Well, actually, I probably have more 1911 mags than that. :)

qajaq59
November 6, 2008, 04:34 PM
This panic jazz is really getting a bit silly. But it's fun to read........:D

blkbrd666
November 6, 2008, 04:46 PM
Yeah, even 500rd and 1000rd of .223 and 7.62 has jumped $10 since Monday on the ammoman site.

The Wiry Irishman
November 6, 2008, 04:51 PM
I never understood why, when you people never felt compelled to "stock up" on mags, ammo, ARs, (or whatever), suddenly feel compelled to "stock up" in an election year.

My rationale for picking up a few more mags in the next couple months is that if some of the ones I have stop working in a political environment where I can't just go out and pick up a replacement, it will be nice to have a few extra laying around.

Roadwild17
November 6, 2008, 06:29 PM
The prices are only going to go UP and the suply is going to go DOWN. Its up to you to decide when to jump in to the magizne market.

rundm
November 6, 2008, 08:49 PM
It is not about what I need or can use, it is about what I want and can get. Right now the only stupid purchase is the one that you don't make. If you buy mags at todays prices you can always sell them later for about what you payed for them. If you lose 1.00, it will not be a total loss. Pmags are still 13.50 or so at 44mag.com and the cproducts are much cheaper then that. Hell, the ss mags are 12.50 and they will last a lifetime. RG

piratelooking@40
November 6, 2008, 09:42 PM
My only concern is that people might fail to save a few extra dollars to give to the gun rights movement and for ink and paper to remind their congressman what happened in the 94 election after the first AWB passed.

FTW. Easily the best comment in this thread.








But I ordered a suppressor on Sat, just in case...

thyde12
November 6, 2008, 09:49 PM
look on palmetto state armory for pmags, usually priced right

Hoppy590
November 6, 2008, 09:51 PM
OMG THE WORLDS ENDING THE SKYS FALLING!

oh what? this happens after every election? hmmm...

buy less, write more. educate more.

STORMIN29
November 6, 2008, 10:37 PM
I recently purchased standard AR 20/30 round mags for my PLR from Brownells
that cured my PLR feeding problems. At $18/mag plus a C&R discount makes them about $13/each. They support gun rights, I support them and so far they haven't raised prices. Georgia Arms also has not raised ammo prices but are severly back logged. Great companies.

Just Jim
November 6, 2008, 10:47 PM
The funiest part of this is half you guys voted for Obama and caused this. Seems nobody could learn from the Clinton years and now it's going to be ten times worse. Wanna Bet????

jj

J23
November 7, 2008, 10:23 PM
Justjim...

I wouldnt think most of the members here at THR went down that road, but perhaps Im wrong... either way, it's their right to vote whatever way they choose... one of the benefits of living here.

That being said, if one did vote for BHO, then they would have NO ROOM for gripe about the upcoming [and contrary to many of the overly optimistic folks on here] bans, laws, and regulations.


And make no mistake about it, despite the insensable and popular head burying and wishing away... 1994 will make what's coming seem like an NRA rally.


I have wrote to my elected officals, and those that I did not elect, and I encourage for you all to do the same, however, dont stake much faith in it. Case in point, the public outcry against the 'bailout' a few months back was probably the most verbal I have ever seen on any issue, upwards of 9 out of 10 people according to most of the major news media outlets, however you see that it passed... 'for our own good.'

For me optimism is something I dont have the luxury of possessing.

Just Jim
November 7, 2008, 11:40 PM
Everyone knew Obama was against guns. Yet there are alot of supporters here for BHO. While it is their right to vote as they see fit, it is my right to point out what has happened from their vote.

I doubt most will learn but it takes a constant effort to keep it in everyones attention if you want to save our rights.

jj

Auburn1992
November 8, 2008, 12:19 AM
Where have you seen support for BHO on this site?

I, for one, have not seen one bit of support.

goon
November 8, 2008, 12:44 AM
Personally, I'm all for it.
The more AR's and high capacity magazines there are in circulation, the better off we all are.
A bazillion AR's sitting a warehouse won't be doing anyone any good.
But a bazillion Ar's floating around in the hands of the American population...
Now that goes a long way toward a little thing Heller mentioned to the effect of "common use".
So even if the price is high, buy as many as you can afford and be happy you have them. :)

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 01:05 AM
Where have you seen support for BHO on this site?

I, for one, have not seen one bit of support.

You know for years after seatbelt laws were voted in I never talked to a person who voted for them. I travel alot for many years and alway the same answer, "I didn't vote for seatbelt laws"

Everyone here who voted for BHO has voted for socialism and more gun restrictions. Try reading post other than your own.:D

People are paying the high prices because they can see the future, get it now while you can.

jj

Auburn1992
November 8, 2008, 03:05 PM
I can garuntee that 99% of the users on here didn't vote for Obama...

Could you, perhaps, point me to a thread, even a post, that shows obama support??

JWarren
November 8, 2008, 03:11 PM
Auburn1992 wrote:

Where have you seen support for BHO on this site?

I, for one, have not seen one bit of support.


Auburn, there has been some here.

I won't call names, but I've noticed it. If you search the posts of some persons on this thread, you may see a post or two from at least one person here that states they they are both supporting and voting for Obama.

But granted, it isn't nearly a majority.


-- John

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 03:34 PM
Could you, perhaps, point me to a thread, even a post, that shows obama support??


Your gonna have to do the work and find it yourself, I got no time to waste. It's been there all the time, you missed it. Even now in threads today people are downplaying what the guy is going to do that they voted for.

jj

JWarren
November 8, 2008, 04:56 PM
Quote:
Could you, perhaps, point me to a thread, even a post, that shows obama support??

Your gonna have to do the work and find it yourself, I got no time to waste. It's been there all the time, you missed it. Even now in threads today people are downplaying what the guy is going to do that they voted for.


Here's a little from a quick search. I removed names on this post:


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=397610&highlight=FMJMike&page=4

I can't believe the paranoia some people have about Mr. Obama. The exaggeration, lies and racial hate. He is an intelligent man who I feel will be the best man for the job. I am pro gun rights and I am voting for Obama.


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=401214

I wasn't willing to trade all my other rights for the promise that the existing clown wouldn't screw with my guns. I'm still not!....


Guns alone are no longer enough of a reason to vote for a candidate over another after the calamity of the past eight.




That's all the work I'll do for free on a Saturday afternoon. :)


-- John

mgregg85
November 8, 2008, 04:57 PM
The way I see it, we've probably got at least 4 to 6 months, but prices are gonna start going up soon.

onebigelf
November 8, 2008, 05:40 PM
found this listing. Current, posted yesterday.

OD, FDE, FG, and Black are available in both Maglevel and Standard Pmag. Limited quantities.

Maglevel $17.95 ea
Standard Pmag $14.95 ea

Please check our webstore for availability.

WWW.ANCHORARMAMENT.COM

John

ridata
November 8, 2008, 09:00 PM
44mag has many 20 rn mags left, they are out of stock on certain 30 rn mags.
Whether you think the hype is justified or not, go buy! Prices aren't astronomical, and as long as we keep buying the manufactuers will keep their factories producing at a fast clip. And then there will be a whole bunch more AR's and AR mags in circulation. :DWe are supporting the gun industry, we are supporting US industry.

Keep writing letters to your officials. Call them. It does make a difference, however small.

hadmanysons
November 8, 2008, 09:25 PM
Don't know what you nay-sayers are talking about. I just bought a S&W M&P15a today. I went Ft. Thompson and they said they had three left so I went to Gander Mountain to check prices. Didn't like it so I went back to Ft. Thompson 45 minutes later and I bought the last one and THE PRICE WENT UP 65 DOLLARS IN THAT TIME. And just try to find a MagPul pmag online, anywhere, just try. If you do, pm me, cause we wants them precious!!

cornman
November 9, 2008, 12:23 AM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.

cornman
November 9, 2008, 12:27 AM
I did. I do not see myself ever voting republican again after the last 8 years.


"I can garuntee that 99% of the users on here didn't vote for Obama..."

JWarren
November 9, 2008, 12:31 AM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.


Guess you've never heard of the concept of things breaking, huh?


Replacement parts are precious when you can't get them.

I KNOW. I've got a few split Glock 19 magazines that paid $125 each for back in 1994.



-- John

JohnKSa
November 9, 2008, 12:34 AM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.I don't ever plan on being in a situation like that. But I do plan on shooting for another 40 years or so. Magazines wear out and semi-autos are a pain to shoot without magazines.

I have a lot of magazines because I think there's a good chance that what I've got will have to last the rest of my life, not because I'm expecting to get into some crazy tactical scenario requiring double-digit reloads.

taliv
November 9, 2008, 12:43 AM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.

i bought 10 pmags and 10 aluminum mags a little over a year ago. as of a month ago, i am down to 8 and 7 respectively due to breakage. if i break 5/year in classes, matches and plinking, how many mags would you suggest a 37yo buy if he wants to shoot actively at least 30 more years? and maybe pass some on to children and friends?

Just Jim
November 9, 2008, 12:18 PM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.

EEERRRR AAAAAHHHH some of us shoot our guns:D :scrutiny: :neener:

jj

rundm
November 9, 2008, 12:43 PM
breakdowns are always going to be a part of having magazines. it is best to have plenty of spares to make sure that you can fix the ones that break. it won't do any good to have weapons if you can not use them. don't think for a minute that if they try to take away some of the mags and guns that we enjoy that they will not take away our ability to fix things that break. they might not have to do any of that though. the easiest way to stop people from shooting or stocking up on bullets and stuff is to just ban the imported stuff. that alone would drive up the prices of everything else to where the average person could not afford to do what they enjoy.

ilbob
November 9, 2008, 01:21 PM
What is with some of you guys and Magazines? Like you will ever be in a situation where you will need to reload a pistol 10 times. If you would ever be in some mad max situation where you will need 20 mags. you are not going to survive anyway.
I used to shoot IPSC with my Ruger P85. In two years I broke 3 magazines. I still have them in a baggie somewhere.

When you actually shoot a fair amount, things break.

If I want to shoot at that pace for another 30 years or so, I will break 45 magazines in that time. If I can't get them then, I will have to get them now.

JWarren
November 9, 2008, 04:13 PM
Notice how there is no response to the answers we gave about magazine breakage?

Not even an "ahh... I understand."

Get used to it.

-- John

Boats
November 9, 2008, 05:35 PM
I have yet to break a steel combloc AK mag. Maybe I can get by with some springs and a dent puller.:D

I kid, I kid, but there is no doubt AR fans are in a tizzy. last Monday there were new black rifles all over town, but by Friday there were only used ones of questionable pedigree, mysteriously all selling at a premium and with no mag listed on the ticket.

For the first time since the AWB, a Ruger Ranch rifle is sounding good to me.:D

JWarren
November 9, 2008, 05:48 PM
My point being that as soon as a logical, rational answer is given to their questions, Obama's supporters quietly tip-toe away with their fingers in thier ears while saying "la-la-la-la-la-la-la!"


Get used to it. :/


-- John

devilc
November 9, 2008, 06:03 PM
Buy as much as you can afford.
Buy and buy and buy and buy!
Keep our firearms industry/weapons industry in business.
Show them we will not be cowed and show them we support the firearms industry.
The only investment I have that has NOT lost cash is guns.

gunseller2
November 9, 2008, 06:28 PM
Well I had a good one last week. A gentleman came into the store with his wife or girlfriend. He was a slightly built gent with a long ponytail and sporting a "Veteran For Obama" button. So far so good, then he told me that he was shopping for a black rifle, because as he claimed, "no matter who gets in we won't be able to own these after January". I tried to ignore the campaign button as we chatted about the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights. I thought that I was talking to an NRA lifer. Long story short, he couldn't purchase any of his choices because he was from the People's Republic of Massachusetts and all of his dream guns had too many of the prohibited features. I'm quite sure that the same libs he keeps voting for in Mass are the same ones that are standing between him and his dream guns.

If you thumb through some of these boards I'm quite sure you will find postings from Polyannas who will urge us to suspend belief, because their chosen candidate would never do anything to infringe on our rights. These people, like my "Veterans For Obama" friend are too intellectually lazy to do their homework on their candidate's past voting records, statements, endorsements, or affiliations. I hope they are satisfied when the closest you will get to owning a firearm will be a video game controller.

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