Why the Encore?


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JWF III
November 5, 2008, 02:13 AM
I was just reading the thread about .45-70 recoil and got to thinking. What is the attraction of the Encore? I understand the ability to change barrels (calibers) is both nice and useful, but that's nowhere close to enough to do it for me. I looked at them exactly one time, when I saw the asking price of a new Encore, I started looking at rifles that could do a lot more for a lot less.

Here's my list of why not to buy one (in no particular order), give me your list of why to buy one.

1-Looks-Anybody with a decent set of eyes, and a decent idea of beauty in style, has to admit that it's not the best looking gun you can get for the same money. It is purely a utilitarian design, nothing fancy or special to it.

2-Price-Way over priced for what you get. The Handi-Rifle is almost the same rifle for a lot more reasonable price. Components for the Encore are rediculous also. It would take at least three barrels for one Encore before you broke even with the cost of the same quantity of moderatly price bolt guns. And if one of those barrels was .22lr, you just went backwards $100 or more. The main thing that you pay for with an Encore purchase is that free rifle that T/C gives to each and every pro hunter with a t.v. show. (And all that advertising during the show's commercial breaks.)

3-Barrel changing- This is a overly used attribute of the Encore. Yes it's easier, but you can also change the barrel out on a Savage 110 relatively simply. So what! You have to rezero the scope. Buy an old fashioned bore scope and record where each barrel zeros. Then within one or two shots you are back on zero. Did I mention the money you'd save in optics. Especially if you believe in high quality optics. You could buy one, top of THEIR line, Zeiss (or Swarovski, Leica, etc.) for what you'd have in a Leupold (or Burris, Nikon, etc.) on each of your two or three barrels.

4-Single shot-Granted this comes down to personal preference. But in a hunting situation (or especially HD/SD), it'd be better to have that extra shot or two. O.K., so having only one shot forces you to slow down and make a better shot. Well show some self control and force yourself to do the same thing with that bolt gun. I can remember reading the book about Carlos Hatchcock, he had the armorer machine a scope mount for the M-2 .50 caliber machine gun. He used this for sniper work from the fire base. Using good trigger control, he fired only one shot at a time. Just because you have all those rounds, doesn't mean you have to dump them as fast as you can.

5-Recoil-(This is how I came up with all this from the afformentioned thread.) When you have a light weight rifle, you are going to have heavy weight recoil. That's just common sense. The only two posts in that thread that complained about the recoil of the .45-70 ( yes I've shot many rounds from original trapdoors, both carbine and rifle) were shooting them in the Encore. I do understand the difference in the loads for modern rifles and antiques, but this still should tell you something. (This also stands to reason for short magnums, but that's for another thread.)

Alright, that is the end of my rant. For now.

Now all of you Encore owners give me the reasons why you bought the rifle. Talk me into buying one.

Wyman

P.S.-Please forgive any misspelled words, it's late, and I couldn't sleep with all the different scenarios of how the outcome of this election could turn real bad for OUR great country.

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jakk280rem
November 5, 2008, 02:59 AM
salient points every one. the thing i like about the encore is one serial number, ($10 back ground check) will shoot any caliber between .17 and .500 in pistol or rifle configuration.

putting optics on every barell is not neccisary as most barrels are available with iron sights.

while the nef handi rifle is a switch barrel also, nef recomends sending the frame back to them to have the barrel fitted. you pay shipping both ways. once a barrel is mated to a frame, it is headspaced and fitted to that frame only. it would probably work fine on most other frames, but not all. the encore, afaik, is a universal fit.

accuracy. the encore will delliver more consistent accuracy. a good handi rifle will match an average encore, and an exceptional nef, will surpass the encore. when averages are considered, the encore has the advantage.

weight and length. a 26" barreled encore will weigh less and be the same or shorter than an equivalently chambered 22" barreled bolt rifle and have slightly better velocity. a 20 or 22" encore will deliver the same ballistics with a shorter over all length.

this is a simple personal observation, but i find the looks of the encore certainly not objectionable, and down right pretty compared to the handi-rifle. also, there is a certain joy to be found in a single shot. the methodicle nature of shooting one appeals to me. in a hunting situation, practice and a side saddle cartridge carrier can speed up reloads considerably.

the slow relode time would rule out the encore as a hd/sd gun, considering the far superior alternatives. i would clasify the encore as a sporting arm only.

if you reload or like to create or shoot wildcats, the encore is amazingly well suited to rechambering. you can get an encore barrel in 7mm-08 and rechamber it in 280 rem, 7mm rem mag, 7mm stw, 7mm rum, or create a whole new 7mm-378 wby.

cost. handi-rifle wins hands down. if you consider the rifle as a meat-tool.

P.S.-Please forgive any misspelled words, it's late, and I couldn't sleep with all the different scenarios of how the outcome of this election could turn real bad for OUR great country.

+1. also i'm hals way through a bottle of johnie walker gold label.

Olympus
November 5, 2008, 09:56 AM
I'm an Encore owner and a damned proud one at that! But I bought the Encore as a muzzleloader. I bought the Pro Hunter version when it first came out a couple years ago. For me, I went into the situation looking for a muzzleloader first. From my experience and what I've seen, T/C pretty much has the market on muzzleloaders. At the time I bought the Encore, nobody else had came up with all of the features that the Encore had like the Speed-breach, the T-handled ramrod, the easy-start tip of the muzzle, things like that. And at that time, it was the top of the line for being able to handle 150 of powder instead of 100 like all the others at the time. The interchangeable barrel option was just a bonus for me. I think I paid $750 when I bought it from a store and it turned out the salesperson should have charged me $850 for it. It was such a deal as compared to any other places I called for pricing that I called back trying to buy another one. Apparently the guy got fired and they told me that the price I paid was lower than even their cost on the gun. Best deal on a gun I've had...I never have that kind of luck. But I looked at the design and loved it the first time I saw it. You call it "utilitarian" if you like, but that's what I'd call any rifle that has a synthetic stock. It doesn't hurt my feelings to have someone call it "utilitarian" because that's exactly what it is. It's a utility rifle! I've just recently bought a rifled barrel for it in 300WG and I could not be more pleased! First time sighting in the scope a few weeks ago, first shot was slightly high at right. So I shot another to make sure I didn't pull or flinch and the second shot nicked the bottom edge of the first hole! That was enough for me to be sold on them. I shot that .300 more accurate than I do my .270 and that surprised the hell out of me considering the difference in recoil. As far as the single-shot being a concern, it didn't seem to hurt the Ruger No. 1's popularity. If anything, when I take it hunting for the first time next weekend it's going to make me think a lot about shot placement before I pull the trigger and that's a good thing. I'm going to be less apt to take a risky shot knowing that I have to make my first shot count. How many people with a semi-auto or bolt use the extra ammo as a crutch? I personally don't know because I've never had to shoot any deer more than once anyway. But you bring up HD/SD, if you're using an Encore for home defense then you need to be rethinking your home defense strategy. As for self defense, the only thing I could think of is if you're hunting bear, moose, cape buff, things like that and if that's the case then you need to rethink you're hunting strategy and take the Encore into effect.

And I've seen some pictures of some custom Encores that would make you rethink "utilitarian". People don't buy Encores because of their magnificent beauty and make them a "safe queen". But some of the custom stocks I've seen for the Encore could make a Weatherby look like a Stevens in comparison. It's the fact that there are so many options for the Encore that makes it great. If you're buying it strictly for a rifle then it's probably not the best way to go. But for me, I wanted the muzzleloader first. Now I have a .300 Win Mag rifle that I paid $230 for that shoots better than I could have imagined. If you have an Encore, you can swap barrels to go along with each particular hunting situation you might be in, long range flats, hilly mountains, brushy thickets, you name it and you can adapt your rifle to each change without spending thousands of dollars on a new rifle each time. And now I'm seeing more and more custom gunsmith's easily replicating the Encore barrel design and chambering them for a HUGE variety of calibers that T/C factory barrels aren't offered in. I think you're going to see the popularity of the Encore continue to rise.

FrontlineFireArms
December 10, 2008, 03:16 AM
Hello all,
I'm new to THR, it looks like a great place to learn alot. I wanted to comment on the question of the attraction to the Encore.
I've been shooting Encore's and Contender's since about 88'. As an avid hunter, the barrel change out was a huge draw for me. As a "professional consumer" finding optics in the past for all the barrels would be a trip to Gander Mountain or countless hours on ebay. (currently under boycott by me) Both of which I really like so that's a win-win situation (if I could just convince my wife that it's really not a waste of money). I believe the generalization is "investment" in that arena. Regardless, I don't know anyone that doesn't like to go to the sporting goods store.
The accuracy was the major hook. As a gunsmith I have a hard time comparing accuracies of production bolts, pumps and autos to production singles. Yes, there are numerous cases of those actions out-shooting singles, but, they are exceptions to the rule. and I'm sure we are all aware of the numerous factors creating accuracy in those exceptions. The mechanics, or lack there of, make the Encore exceptionally accurate. I have read about spacing issues, but in 15 years of gun work I haven't had a single TC come through my shop with that problem. I know those problems exist, just as bolt rifles with improper head space, or autos with seriously bad timing. I have over bored barrel pins to get a better lockup on a few barrels that had been well used. I think the most widespread complaint would be the triggers on em. That is one area TC should pay alot more attention to. I have become fairly proficient with the trigger jobs on the Encore and the Contender - G2's.
The discussion of pressures always seems to come up in TC's but personally, I don't care to shoot anything that hits harder than a 338 WM or 375 H&H, not to mention the 209x50 MAG ML with 150 grains in it, which have been OEM barrels for some time now. Those are high pressure. "The frame is stretched" - I'm not sure there are any frames out there that won't stretch with the larger calibers.
Yes, you can change out a barrel on a handi-rifle, mostly. This is from Marlin AKA H&R AKA NEF.-

*Note: The frame of the 44 Mag. (SC1-414) and the 357 Mag. (SC1-324) cannot be fit with any other centerfire rifle barrel. They are capable of being fit with accessory shotgun barrels, but their rifle capability is limited to the specific 44 or 357 Mag. barrel that it is shipped on the gun.*

Limitations? bah, humbug.
Take a handi rifle and break it open where the barrel is 1/2" higher than the plane of the hammer and wiggle the barrel left to right, then do it with an Encore. Both have slack, the handi rifle may shock you. What does that prove? The difference in cost and performance. Now it may sound like I'm bashing handi rifles, they are good guns for the money and I like the 2 I have, but they are about as utilitarian as a gun can get.
My Encore in 300 WM hits tighter at any range with less recoil than my Ruger#1. I contribute the difference in recoil to the flex tech stock, which I think looks great in camo or the black. You take that Savage 110 long action 30-06 with the factory monte carlo on it and your gonna feel it whether you were shooting at a deer or not. Yes, my Ruger does look better, but my Browning A-bolt doesn't IMO.
A friend of mine who is a TC fanatic makes it a point to show up at deer camp every year with his old Encore frame sporting a barrel thats fluted, sprial fluted, ported, maybe a howitzer brake, laminated thumbhole stocks, neat looking pistol grips etc.. Everyone sits and stares at it knowing anyone could pick it up and hit whatever they see. Meanwhile my tack driving Remington Sendero with factory camo finish and 28" bull barrel can be damn near laying on top of it and get no attention at all. He gets a kick out of the "ooo's and ah's". The Encore must have some appeal.
There are numerous stock styles and barrel options that you can only compare with the Ruger 10-22. No, I don't work for TC, it just sounds like it.
Deer rifle season is still going here now and this was the scenario Moday: I jet down to my favorite hunting spot with an Encore in 22-250, laminated thumbhole stock with a leupold on top. I had just put the spit-shine to it the night before. It starts to rain and there is no way I'm getting it wet again. 5 minutes later with very little effort I have a 7mm-08 15" pistol with rubber grips and iron sights ready to go. Thats pretty handy and worth something in itself.
Sorry for being so long-winded and I don't know if there are any real selling points wrapped up in that mess above. I'm sure a lot of you guys have used a lot of guns but if you haven't fooled with an Encore or G2 you might want to give it a shot. I bet you get addicted.
A couple of tips-
you can't use Contender grips on the G2's but what TC doesn't tell ya is that many of the Encore grips/stocks will fit the G2 correctly.
All Contender barrels will fit the G2 just as all Endeavor, Pro Hunter and Encore barrels interchange.
FYI- if you shoot a 10" 45-70 barrel on a Contender frame you WILL bend the grip bolt. If you shoot the same pistol with one hand you are likely to bleed from some part of your body, or so it seems......

tapout08
December 10, 2008, 09:08 AM
I have owned my Pro Hunter for a year now, when i ordered it i decided to get it in a good all around caliber .300 WM. I absolutely love this rifle. I love the looks of it, i love the feel and balance of it, i love the durability/reliability of it, and most of all i love the accuracy. I have shot other guns chambered in .300 WM and they had some pretty good recoil to them, but with this gun it has less felt recoil than my pump 30-06 which is heavier and my .270 bolt action, which makes it a winner in my book. I love the idea of an interchangeable barrel, it is so easy to do and there are many options to choose from whether it be from TC, TC Custom shop, or EABCO you can get it chambered in just about any cartridge you want. I recently just ordered a 500 S&W kathadin 20" barrel for mine. Next will be a ML barrel then maybe a 6mm-06 from the custom shop.

Onmilo
December 10, 2008, 09:12 AM
If you watch any of the televised hunting shows, you might notice that the T/C rifles, especially the Encore are THE politically correct firearms to use if you are a responsible game hunter.

Me, I'm going to stick with my AR15 and 1886 Winchester Lightweight lever action .45/70.
I like a couple extra shells in the gun.

Olympus
December 10, 2008, 09:28 AM
If you watch any of the televised hunting shows, you might notice that the T/C rifles, especially the Encore are THE politically correct firearms to use if you are a responsible game hunter.
I don't know if they're "politically correct" or not. I think it might have something to do with T/C being a major sponsor of the shows and giving away Encores to use for the publicity.

I like a couple extra shells in the gun.
I think we all do. But Guns & Ammo Television show on the Outdoor Channel did a segment on that very idea. They talked about why people were turned off by the single shot and not having extra shots. They compared an Encore to a bolt action rifle and time to see how long it would take to shoot 3 shots....accurately. The Encore had a bullet sleeve on the butt stock. I think they were shooting at heads of lettuce. The Encore was 1 tenth of a second slower than the bolt action.

berettashotgun
December 10, 2008, 09:37 AM
I like the looks, but I'm not " Sold " on the T/C; I do like the total package - but cannot tolerate the price.
I'd personally much rather purchase a new ( or used ) rifle than re-barrel a frame.
All this coming from a proud owner of a few handi SB2's.

jimmyraythomason
December 10, 2008, 09:45 AM
I never had a desire to own an Encore. Just don't like the looks of 'em. Now the ICON,on the other hand....

R.W.Dale
December 10, 2008, 01:55 PM
I went through my encore phase with a couple frames and close to a dozen factory and custom barrels. I learned rather quickly that the accuracy of these rifles is grossly overrated. To put it bluntly they shoot like crap. I got into encores after being so disappointed by the accuracy of my Handi rifles only to learn that if anything your average encore barrel is even less accurate. The break action rifle simply doesn't lend itself to knife edge accuracy. It's one thing when your $220 handi shoots 3" groups but it's quite another when a $800 Pro hunter does no better

Couple that with the fact that for the price of a single encore rifle barrel you can buy a COMPLETE entry level bolt gun that'll shoot circles around even the most worked over encore and for the price of ONE shotgun bbl you could have a diffrent single shot chambered in ALL the common gauges

jbkebert
January 30, 2009, 03:56 PM
I am also a proud owner of a t/c encore. I will admit that this rifle is not the cheapest thing around. I have the 209x50, a .300 win mag and a 22-250 rem. One thing that I do love about this rig I get used to one trigger pull. I can switch all day long between barrels and its the same crisp 3.25 pull all the time. They do take some getting used to but I beleive they are cheaper in the long run. I don't know about you but I don't know of to many off the shelf .300 win mags that give me MOA accuracy for the $298 I paid for a ss 28" barrel from Graf and Sons.

Maelstrom
January 30, 2009, 04:10 PM
Do you own a .454 pistol that can shoot .300 Winchesters from the shoulder?

I do.

Ratshooter
January 30, 2009, 05:02 PM
As usual Krocus post the most thought out, reasonable post, based on hands on experience. Thanks!!!

JWJacobVT
January 30, 2009, 05:14 PM
Well I bought my contender years ago and picked up barrels cheap off ebay (back when you could). Set up a nice little 44 mag carbine which my son has used to take a couple deer. Bought a 45-70 G2 to set up a carbine for my daughter in 10mm, I carry it as a 45-70 when she is not hunting. Now I have an Encore with a 50x209 and a 243 barrel. Needed to buy it as my son is now using my hawken sidehammer and I always wanted a 243. Great deal to solve both my problems.

JWF III
January 30, 2009, 07:32 PM
Nice to see this thread come back around, because I still don't fully understand all the hype.

Anyway...

I don't know of to many off the shelf .300 win mags that give me MOA accuracy for the $298 I paid for a ss 28" barrel from Graf and Sons.

I paid $299 for my Winchester Model 70 in .300 Win Mag. With certain factory loads, I've consistently shot MOA. Granted it's only been with a few different loads. And one of those, Federal changed something (groups went from 5/8" from the first 3 boxes, to ~3" from the 4th and last box). The only thing to disqualify this gun would be that it was purchased about 10 years ago, and I don't know what inflation would bring that price up to.

Wyman

alaskanativeson
January 30, 2009, 11:47 PM
If someone likes them, Great! If not, there are a lot of good choices out there. Personally, I don't own one, but my wife does. Hers is a rifle in 7mm-08 and she loves it. She can shoot 1 inch holes all day long with Federal Premium ammo so the accuracy is what it should be (I can get groups a little tighter.) I find the idea of caliber change very appealing so it's a big point for me. When you travel around a lot hunting, it's nice to be able to carry three of four rifles in a one-rifle case.

Looks are subjective. I like the way it looks. I doesn't look like a "traditional" single shot (like my FIL's Ruger No. 1) but I do like it. Like Arby's used to say, different is good.

If you like (or can tolerate) the looks, and the versatility of multiple calibers in the same very accurate rifle appeals to you, then the Encore is a great choice. If not, like I said, there are still a lot of good choices out there. It's great to still live in America (hopefully the radical left-wing gun grabbers will shrivel up and die.)

Crashola
January 30, 2009, 11:58 PM
I don't own one, but my brother is an Encore enthusiast. When he puts on his heavy .223 barrel it regularly shoots 5-shot 3/4 inch groups with cheap Ultramax remanufactured ammo. I told him I'd buy it in a heartbeat if he ever decides to get rid of it.

tbtrout
January 31, 2009, 12:07 AM
I love mine. It started out as a muzzleloader so single shot was what I was looking for, I believe I paid $375 brand new. It was comfortable to shoulder and felt good. Adding extra barrels is simple and the practical side of me looks around the world and figures having one gun with multiple caliber options might not be a bad idea.
And the fear of only having one shot in the gun does not bother me because I plan on hitting my target with that shot, not the follow up.

ReadyontheRight
January 31, 2009, 01:50 AM
I went overboard about 12 years ago and bought the Encore in 209x50 for somewhere in the $500s. Right out of the box with 150 grains of pyrodex and a sabot round, it shot minute-of-soda-can at 50 paces.

When I bought it, you could get deals on barrels on eBay. I had hoped to eventually add a .308, 30-06, .270 or something for deer hunting, but I have not seen one for less than $200 in years. So I have only used it for muzzleloader season.

I have not shot a deer with it yet, but that Encore is a shooter. Even better...it is a JOY to carry in the woods. As a break-action, it's physically shorter than anything else with the same length barrel. The balance hangs nicely at the pistol grip for carrying around all day. It just-plain-old carries nicely and swings up to the shoulder without thinking.

The iron sights are killer, I like the handling, the break-open action is fast and intuituve, the single-shot bullet "seats" diectly into the rifling grooves, I like the feel of the hammer, I can always get another barrel for $200 and the out of the box trigger is pretty good.

I can't say the same about the NEF Handi Rifle, the Rossi or the Mossberg SSi-One (I own 2 - because they marketed them poorly and I bought them new at a cheaper price than Encore barrels). I can't even say the same about the Ruger #1, but I do want one of those someday.

The Encore is the American BMW to the Ruger #1 American Mercedes.

Mossberg is the best Ford you ever drove and NEF is the lost Jeep soul of AMC clinging to Chrysler. I love it. I hope it survives, but for *** sake make the barrels interchange and make the convertable top go up and down with a button and a latch.

Ranb
January 31, 2009, 02:01 AM
I got an Encore for one reason, to be able to afford to shoot the 510 whisper. I could not afford the SSK price of $2000 to rebarrel a Sako, but could afford the $500 for the Encore barrel. Back when I got it, no one was using the Remington action for this.

It is still the only Encore barrel I have. I do prefer the Savage platform for shooting and rebarreling.

Ranb

Todd1700
January 31, 2009, 06:50 AM
I understand the ability to change barrels (calibers) is both nice and useful, but that's nowhere close to enough to do it for me.

The barrel changing ends up being a wash for most people because the barrels are so expensive and you either have to scope each new barrel (more money) or go the scope swapping/resighting in route which is a major pain in the ass.

I don't know if they're "politically correct" or not. I think it might have something to do with T/C being a major sponsor of the shows and giving away Encores to use for the publicity.

I think what he may mean is that certain anti-gun elements out there would certainly rather people be armed only with single shot rifles than something with a higher capacity. That said however I agree that their popularity is mostly based on the fact that T/C sends a truckload of them to anyone who starts a hunting show.

They compared an Encore to a bolt action rifle and time to see how long it would take to shoot 3 shots....accurately. The Encore had a bullet sleeve on the butt stock. I think they were shooting at heads of lettuce. The Encore was 1 tenth of a second slower than the bolt action.

Well I didn't see that show so I do not know the skill level of the people firing the rifles. But I'm pretty sure if you put both in the hands of average Joes the bolt action would win by a wider margin. Also consider that with T/C being a major sponcor of all these shows, do you really think that they are going to air the results of a test that reflected negatively on T/Cs flagship firearm? Not likely!!This is also the reason that virtually no gun review in any gun magazine can be trusted anymore.

I went through my encore phase with a couple frames and close to a dozen factory and custom barrels. I learned rather quickly that the accuracy of these rifles is grossly overrated. To put it bluntly they shoot like crap.

I'm not saying that there aren't some accurate encores out there. So if you have one great and don't think I'm trying to call you a liar. I am simply stating my personal experience has been that I have heard a lot more 'stories' about accurate encores than I have actually seen in person. A looooooot more stories. Most of the ones I have shot couldn't hold a candle to a bargin bin Savage 110 off the rack at Wal-Mart. Of course they would all shoot minute of deer if that's all you care about but for the money they ask for them you could get a much more accurate bolt action.

...........The break action rifle simply doesn't lend itself to knife edge accuracy.

That has been my experience as well. I've seen more problems with guns that would not group well or hold zero from this style of firearm than any other. I'd take a lever action over a break action any day of the week.

alsaqr
January 31, 2009, 07:07 AM
Now all of you Encore owners give me the reasons why you bought the rifle.

It is cute and everyone had one.

Talk me into buying one.

Not this guy.

Have a love hate affair with my Encore. Bought it as a muzzleloader and then bought 5 centerfire rifle barrels for it. Only two of those barrels were anywhere near accurate. Kept the .22 Hornet and .35 Whelen barrels and the rest went away. Used the Leupold scopes off those barrels to upgrade my bolt action rifles.

Yes, the muzzleloader barrel of my Encore is accurate. However, it is no more accurate than the $85 CVA StagHorn that i bought in 2000.

cal74
January 31, 2009, 07:35 AM
The main thing that you pay for with an Encore purchase is that free rifle that T/C gives to each and every pro hunter with a t.v. show. (And all that advertising during the show's commercial breaks.)


I don't know how you do quotes on this forum, but I think the above statement sums up the bloated price the best. I think they've also ruined a very small part of the hunting shows. You see no variety in what people are using anymore just because they buy everyone up to use their products, just like Mathews and in the end it's the us that pays for all that advertising and handouts.

I do like the looks/handling of the muzzle loader and if I ever ran accross one for around 400.00-450.00 I might give it some thought, but I don't see anything special about them either. I'd much rather have a No. 1 or a Hi/Low Wall if I wanted to shoot a single shot.


If I wanted 2 or more calibers (I DO) I'd much rather own 2 more more rifles rather than one rifle with a bunch of extra barrels around.

JohnKSa
January 31, 2009, 08:00 AM
went through my encore phase with a couple frames and close to a dozen factory and custom barrels. I learned rather quickly that the accuracy of these rifles is grossly overrated. To put it bluntly they shoot like crap. I got into encores after being so disappointed by the accuracy of my Handi rifles only to learn that if anything your average encore barrel is even less accurate. The break action rifle simply doesn't lend itself to knife edge accuracy. It's one thing when your $220 handi shoots 3" groups but it's quite another when a $800 Pro hunter does no better.That's interesting.

I've owned two and both shot very well. The one I currently own is attached to a TC .223, 26" heavy stainless barrel and will group 3 shots of the Black Hills 52gMHP into less than half an inch at 100 yards.

The other one was in .45/70 and would put 3 shots of the Winchester 300gr JHP into 3/4 of an inch at 100 yards.

I will say that the crown on my .223 barrel was absolutely miserable when I got it. Looked like the machine was LONG overdue for a bit replacement--the metal was more ground & pushed out of the way than cut. I recrowned the barrel by hand before shooting it.

jbkebert
January 31, 2009, 10:28 AM
I guess that everyone has there opinion on gun choice. I will agree that my savage 110 in .270 will shoot circles around my sako 75. It was a hell of a lot cheaper and leaps and bounds more accurate. I own a encore and have no intrest in giving it up. Some people have a diffrent prefrence in guns than others. People like glock handguns I personally think they are crap. It doesnt mean go throw your glock away. If it fits the way you shoot and you beleive in it by all means. I stick with my sig 226. Its not a better handgun just like the encore is not a better rifle. It does however fit the way I shoot.

Random Discharge
January 31, 2009, 03:26 PM
The Encore began with the Contender. Conteders are for handgun hunting. They aren't rifles - well the 14" "handgun" barrells might give some pause for thought - but, they aren't rifles.

Then someone got the bright idea to beef up the Contender so someone could torch of a high pressure rifle round in a handgun. Silly. So obviously this beast needed a rifle barrel for the rifle rounds. And what have you got? A confused Conteder with a rifle barrel on it. That my friends is the Encore. A confused firearm that lost its way and fills no role well.

gbran
January 31, 2009, 04:43 PM
I have the G2 carbine with 3 bbl's and 3 scopes. This thing has been a tack driver for me and I not only don't regret buying it, but am probably going add at least a couple more calibers. My biggest gripe was the factory trigger, which was somewhere between horrible to unshootable. After having a trigger job, this thing is sweet.

Ranb
January 31, 2009, 07:02 PM
I think the original contender is superior to the G2. The trigger on the contender is better, but the trigger gaurd has to be pulled back before cocking which is not so nice. The bad part is the G2 has a half inch longer distance between the back of the grip and the trigger. This makes for uncomfortable shooting with heavy calibers like the 375 JDJ unless you have large hands.

I use the contender as a pistol and the G2 as a carbine.

Anyone ever get the folding stock for the G2 or contender? Opinions? Thanks.

Ranb

alaskanativeson
January 31, 2009, 07:22 PM
My wife just wanted me to point out another reason she really loves her Encore. She's left-handed and this is a great rifle for her to operate quickly and easily. This reminds me of something else I like about it, the pistol grip is really very comfortable.

txcookie
March 16, 2009, 03:49 PM
I got mine sole for the barrel swapping ability! I got it in 30-06 and it shoots so well I dont want to get another barrel...

jbech123
March 16, 2009, 04:08 PM
I like the concept. I've owned 2 different ones, main issue was accuracy. Not horrible but 2" groups was about the best I could get at 100. I have 2 rem 700 adl's that shoot under an inch and cost half as much. I know 2 rifles is not a valid sample size, but I've heard this from others as well.

P.B.Walsh
March 17, 2009, 04:56 PM
Hey heres a genius idea go out and buy your favorite bolt-action rifle and only put one bullet in the gun and there you have it a SINGLE-SHOT gun thats also acuuate.

elmerfudd
March 17, 2009, 05:14 PM
One of my favorite guns in recent years has been the Saiga. A friend of mine is into Encores, but he doesn't actually shoot them very much. I was telling him about getting 2 MOA out of my S308 using handloads and he was shaking his head like he couldn't believe I was putting the effort into so inaccurate of a rifle.

The thing is is that when we actually got out on the range, my Saiga was outshooting his Encore. He was getting about 3" groups at 100 yards with commercial ammo and he seemed to be in a heck of a hurry to get over to the archery range.

That said, I really like the idea of the Encore. A short, light and simple gun with a very long barrel for it's overall size is a great idea. Now if they could only do it for less money and make it more accurate.

Ed Ames
March 17, 2009, 08:01 PM
I have three personal reasons for liking my encore:

1) I enjoy the "start afresh with each shot" nature of the single-shot. I also like muzzle loaders. I figured out years ago that I could have just as much fun two ways: fire 10 shots from a muzzle loader, or 100 from a semi-auto. Note: My encore is NOT a muzzle loader and I see no point in the encore ML barrels. That's just me.

2) I want a contrast rifle. If I go to the range with a bunch of C&R guns that were utilitarian when built and look 50 years old (and are actually 75+), or with modern plasticos, it is nice to have at least one gun with some flare. My encore with its multicolored laminated thumbhole stock is clearly not a utility rifle and I like that.

3) It works. As in, it's more accurate than I am (which may not be saying much -- I do NOT claim to be a great shot), swapping barrels is easy to do in the field, the trigger is good (I think the previous owner had it fixed up), and so far it hasn't had jams, failures to feed (heh), or misfires. That can't always be said for semi-autos or anything else.

I have heard people wax poetical about the Ruger No 1. I've never understood why. It just doesn't appeal to my sensibilities. I've seen people pay extra for gilded waterfowl and roll-engraved stags...again things I'd pay extra to remove. Nothing wrong with those things, just different strokes and all that.

I like mine...but that's no reason for anyone else to fall in.

The only other T/C gun I've fired is the Omega and frankly I think it was over-hyped.

txcookie
March 18, 2009, 03:19 AM
"Hey heres a genius idea go out and buy your favorite bolt-action rifle and only put one bullet in the gun and there you have it a SINGLE-SHOT gun thats also acuuate."


Out of the box with a 6 pack down myself and my father were having zero issues putting togather 1inch groups at 100 which is about as good as I haver ever shot! My rifle shoots far better than I can

Rebailey
March 29, 2009, 06:02 PM
Hey, it sounds like you have made up your mind already. Buy what you want and move on. I'll do the same.

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