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Aka Zero
November 5, 2008, 05:41 AM
Since yesterdays got me down, Election, and the brake change of doom (took 5 hours to change just front brake pads....)

Was wondering what kind of investments I should make into the "rifles with pistol grips, or ban able features"

Only have so much money, so don't want to spend too much per gun. Unless it's my dream gun, which requires some nfa paperwork. And SBR ps90 tri rail. And if this is to be had, can you buy factory barrels for the p90 to fit on ps90s, or would is have to be a cut off job.

Anyway,where should I look for (online or kansas city area):
Good ak's, sks, and clip fed bolt guns.
Saiga 12 gauge, I need at least one, and with the price of ak's now, these seem pretty reasonable.
M44 and 91/30 mosins, becaue for some reason I feel these will get banned, for all being "sniper guns"
Anything C&R that might go away.

And an online store for reasonably priced: Good Hi-cap mags for ar, ak, 10/22. And maybe some glock 33 rounders, just as investment.

If them ban them, I want my house to look like I have a small army..... just in case of threats, foreign or domestic. And mainly shooting a variety of guns.

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Golden Hound
November 5, 2008, 06:00 AM
Try www.jgsales.com and www.classicarms.us.

Man, if they ban the Mosin Nagant - if it ever gets THAT BAD - I swear to God I will move to Canadia.

Aka Zero
November 5, 2008, 06:34 AM
Well, I think they look scary fun, which other people see "sniper rifle, because of those little scopes you can get. If they try to ban anything crazy, I will be checking weapon laws in other countries.

spuscg
November 5, 2008, 01:28 PM
mosin nagants have a 12 mile range and aks are desighned to kill civilians

rcmodel
November 5, 2008, 01:46 PM
Was wondering what kind of investments I should make into the "rifles with pistol grips, or ban able features"If a new ban goes as I suspect it will, it won't be an "investment".

It will be a total loss!

I don't expect there to a "Grandfather Clause" this time around if they control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.

DrPerry
November 5, 2008, 01:56 PM
Latest sentiment is that it will be an ammo ban

No more Russian, Check, Turk and so on

Then an Excise tax

your new pistola will cost an extra $500 for the Govt

Hoppy590
November 5, 2008, 01:57 PM
I will be checking weapon laws in other countries.


ya, they're normally worse. with a few that are better for long guns.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 5, 2008, 01:58 PM
My guess would be, nothing makes a blissninny tend to wet themselves worse than seeing a handgun in a .mil pattern, such as the handguns based on AKs, ARs, Sig 556, KelTec SU16, etc. To a hoplophone, only thing worse than an evil black rifle is an evil black pistol (nevermind that that makes them less powerful and less accurate).

Next up would be evil-looking bullpup-config rifles (AK bullpups, AUG, FS2000, P90, RFB, etc.)

Next up would be .50 BMG rifles of any type.

Next up would be "standard" HDRs/EBRs (like the 94-04 ban).

Next up "pocket rockets" - small powerful semi-auto handguns.

Personally, I'm gonna get an AK handgun in the next 6 months, just in case. And if the RFB makes an actual appearance, I'm gonna be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich.


If a new ban goes as I suspect it will, it won't be an "investment".

It will be a total loss!

While that is possible:

1. It is extraordinarily unlikely. All the past bans have had the grandfather/possession clauses - they banned only the manufacture or import, not even the transfer! So worst case would probably be also banning transfers, but not possession/ownership/use.

2. Let's see them take it from me.

Storm
November 5, 2008, 02:06 PM
My purchase has been AR lowers.

H2O MAN
November 5, 2008, 02:16 PM
I will buy ammo when deals pop up.
I may buy a few more Glocks 21s if the deals are excellent.
Other than that I'm going to make sure some of what I have is set up with optics.

That's about it :cool:

mr.scott
November 5, 2008, 02:20 PM
Not grandfathering and trying to ban them will cause this nation to implode. There are enough people in this country with guns that will not give them up that it will make "the sandbox in Iraq" look like the sandbox at the pre-school.

The American populace is much better equipped, and has better trained service personnel in the general populace. 80 million gun owners, 10% resist. 8 million "insurgents" against how many hundreds of thousands of LEO???

mr.scott
November 5, 2008, 02:44 PM
Not grandfathering and trying to ban them will cause this nation to implode. There are enough people in this country with guns that will not give them up that it will make "the sandbox in Iraq" look like the sandbox at the pre-school.

The American populace is much better equipped, and has better trained service personnel in the general populace. 80 million gun owners, 10% resist. 8 million "insurgents" against how many hundreds of thousands of LEO???

HorseSoldier
November 5, 2008, 02:53 PM
Remains to be seen if Barry O will burn up any political capital at all trying to come after guns or ammo, so let's all remember the sky isn't falling yet.

The man's definitely no friend of the 2nd Amendment or American gun owners, but he's going to have a whole lot on his plate trying to satisfy the "Change, change, change" chanting drones who put him in office and I'm guessing a hot-button issue that Dems think burned them bad back in the 90s will get passed over so Barry can concentrate on "fixing" (:rolleyes: :barf:) the war and economy.

The best solution is getting people mobilized to knock the Democrats back on their heels in the midterm elections and getting Obama out of office in the next presidential elections. In the meantime, it probably doesn't hurt to make sure anything screwed up Barry does gets disseminated far and wide -- the thinner his approval ratings, the less likely he is to go after issues that are controversial.

indoorsoccerfrea
November 5, 2008, 02:59 PM
as far as investing in rifles with pistol grips, i am part of the "make your own" category. laminate two 1 by pieces of maple together, use a bandsaw to cut out the basic outline you want, do some sculpting and there you go. the really difficult part is the end that attaches to the rifle. i made a maple pistol grip with a stock for my saiga .223. it took me proabably about 10 hours total, but all the materials i already had.

Aka Zero
November 5, 2008, 04:27 PM
Good point horse. I hope he doesn't get around to any bans until year 5 when someone else is in office and he is back to senator or out of office completely.

I am wondering how much people will like him when he can't fulfill all his change (I never figured out what he was changing anyway, he just said change a lot...)

But anyway, Ron Paul would be a good 2012 pres. He said the exact opposite of obama. Ron paul says a gun is a gun, machine gun or single shot, and people have the right to own them. I want that guy in office, And have him see if that little 1986 thing can go away. I'll pay the tax and wait, but let me have a few new autos.

pepper35
November 5, 2008, 04:32 PM
You have one of the best shops in N. KC...Denny's Guns...he has or can get anything you could want

Gottahaveone
November 5, 2008, 05:09 PM
Not grandfathering and trying to ban them will cause this nation to implode. There are enough people in this country with guns that will not give them up that it will make "the sandbox in Iraq" look like the sandbox at the pre-school.

Absolutely won't happen. They pass a law that says turn them in within xx number of days or face 25 years in the fed pen, 95% of the people will grumble and bitch and complain but none will be willing to give up their home and family. They'll turn them in. Stop and think about the people who live directly around you. Can you see them picking up arm's and coming to your rescue when swat shows up at your house to see why your stuff wasn't turned in? If you can, you're lucky. I live in the rural south and I don't see my neighbors showing up. Except maybe one, he's as.....stubborn...as I am.

doc540
November 5, 2008, 05:13 PM
"Absolutely won't happen. They pass a law that says turn them in within xx number of days or face 25 years in the fed pen, 95% of the people will grumble and bitch and complain but none will be willing to give up their home and family. They'll turn them in. Stop and think about the people who live directly around you. Can you see them picking up arm's and coming to your rescue when swat shows up at your house to see why your stuff wasn't turned in? If you can, you're lucky. I live in the rural south and I don't see my neighbors showing up. Except maybe one, he's as.....stubborn...as I am."

the truth

elmerfudd
November 5, 2008, 09:05 PM
There would be a very large number of people at that point who would cache their weapons and claim they were sold, stolen or never purchased, (p to p sales). Without the gun in their hands it's almost impossible for the government to prove otherwise.

They would be more likely to ban new guns, require registration of existing ones and then ban their transfer. There would still be a whole lot of stashed guns if this happened, but most people would still want to be able to shoot theirs without risking imprisonment and would comply.

This would be probably be political suicide for the dems, but they've got gun control in their blood, so they still just might try it.

goldie
November 6, 2008, 11:18 AM
i just hope it would take a while before we see anything, hopefully this issue will get lost in the shuffle for a while because of all the other problems at hand.the day guns have to be turned in might as well be one of the darkest days since 9-11.good luck trying to completely disarm this whole country state by state.they dont have 80 million jail cells to hold everyone.....

indoorsoccerfrea
November 6, 2008, 11:21 AM
i agree with those who say that it will probably wait until the second term, if it comes at all. the goal of most presidents would be, i imagine, to remain in the position for as long as possible. introducing any sort of ban would start turning people off the obama bandwagon.

jerkface11
November 6, 2008, 11:29 AM
If his comments about "spreading the wealth around" didn't turn people off I doubt a gun ban would.

19-3Ben
November 6, 2008, 11:34 AM
Absolutely won't happen. They pass a law that says turn them in within xx number of days or face 25 years in the fed pen, 95% of the people will grumble and bitch and complain but none will be willing to give up their home and family. They'll turn them in. Stop and think about the people who live directly around you. Can you see them picking up arm's and coming to your rescue when swat shows up at your house to see why your stuff wasn't turned in? If you can, you're lucky. I live in the rural south and I don't see my neighbors showing up. Except maybe one, he's as.....stubborn...as I am.

I was about to say the same.

Disclaimer:Let's remember that on this forum, we don't advocate doing anything illegal, nor would we ever advocate the harm of an LEO or member of our military.

I don't see there being resistance. First of all, the way bans work, they'll make it tougher to get guns. Then, too expensive to own, or shoot. At this point, 80% of gun owners would sell their guns, and only the "hardcore" will put up with the restrictions. Then they start saying things like "you can own a semi-automatic handgun, but it must be stored at a club." We lose even more people. Finally once they have weaned away 85% of gun owners they will say, "ok, turn 'em in."
At this point, we are so battered, beaten, and have lost so many of our ranks, that there really isn't much choice.

Now, I'm not saying that will happen here, but if you look at the model of gun control and restrictions from other countries, that's how it went down.

That's why we must fight it NOW and not give in to "reasonable restrictions." Once they get their foot in the door it's almost impossible to keep them out. Everybody who has let their NRA/JPFO/GOA, etc... membership lapse, SIGN UP AGAIN!!! those who have never joined, NOW IS THE TIME!!! How about those who are already members... SIGN UP YOUR NEIGHBOR!!! Sign up your children!! Sign up friends, and family!!!

We NEED to make our voices heard. Write your congressman and senators. Send letters to the White House.
The time to fight is NOT when they have a proposed bill for gun control. The time to fight is NOW. Keep that proposed bill from ever existing. Let them know that this is a country of gun owners who will not back down or give in.

ozwyn
November 6, 2008, 01:00 PM
Just write to your congresscritters with a simple, signed promise.

"Keep firearms regulations of any kind a political third rail, and I will just vote for you. Try taking away our rights and my new hobby is getting you out of office. If you actually support repealing gun restrictions and protecting gun rights, count on me as a VERY VOCAL and active supporter."

And sign it, make a copy for yourself, follow up on it, and get your friends to do the same.

Keep the guys in congress away from gun control and we'll be fine. We survived eight years of Clinton

rcmodel
November 6, 2008, 03:02 PM
Not grandfathering and trying to ban them will cause this nation to implode.You need to talk to an Australian gun owner.

They are a freedom loving nation a lot like us.

But when they banned almost everything, the people complied.

shdwfx
November 6, 2008, 03:23 PM
That's why we must fight it NOW and not give in to "reasonable restrictions."

In order to prevent future confiscations, we must say today (and loudly) REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS BE DAMNED!

Otherwise, it's the slow-boiled frog for us.

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