Glock 26 vs. H&K P2000SK


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ShootStraight
November 5, 2008, 07:35 PM
I am debating on getting another pistol. It is between the Glock 26 and the H&K P2000SK. The H&K cost about $900 (MSRP) and the Glock costs about $500 (MSRP). Price is definitely a factor. For the price of one H&K, I can basicly get 2 Glocks. I already own a Glock and they are reliable. I have never owned an H&K, but I have a lot of respect for the company. For my H&K owners that also own Glocks, how can you justify paying the premium? Is the gun really worth it? Is the H&K P2000SK more accurate than the Glock 26? I know that the Glock 26 has a longer barrel than the H&K P2000SK, but I hear that H&K has a unique barrel that makes its firearms more accurate. To those that own both, which is the most accurate when you fire the same ammunition out of both firearms?

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CountGlockula
November 5, 2008, 07:53 PM
I've shot both in .40S&W: G27 and HkP2sk with LEM.

The only major difference besides price is the slide width of the Hk is pretty wide and the LEM trigger is very heavy, when firing. Because of the heavy LEM trigger my shots were totally off; I was focused more on the trigger pull than my sights. But it does take practice. Plus, I'm not sure why an O-Ring belongs in any gun barrel.

Personally, for obvious reasons, I'd go for the Glock.

Weedmonk
November 5, 2008, 09:06 PM
If there's an alternative, I will always avoid an H&K. Their post-purchase service is notable for its absence. Even it service wasn't an issue, I'd probably chose the Glock. The G26 is a very nice firearm.

bdg146
November 5, 2008, 09:53 PM
Their post-purchase service is notable for its absence

I, and many others, would completely disagree with this statement. Do you have a specific experience with them, or is this based off of things you've heard?

Guitargod1985
November 5, 2008, 11:20 PM
There is no O-ring on my P2000SK barrel. 9mm DA/SA.

jlh26oo
November 6, 2008, 06:15 AM
I don't have the subcompact version of these so grain of salt, but with GLOCK I got a better value vs. H.K. as GLOCK is I.M.O. also top quality and for less money if you are comfortable with it. However I personally don't like carrying the striker fired "safe-action" so I generally stick with D.A./S.A. Sig and H.K.

Finish quality my H.K.'s finish already looks worse than that of my GLOCK which actually has more years and rounds on it yet still looks brand new. The GLOCK also has a faster trigger and shorter reset though the H.K.'s is fast enough when you get used to how to shoot it. Also, size & weight vs. capacity ratios are always better with GLOCK. Really, the H.K. is 2nd place to almost everything except grip angle and comfort of the grip contour for me once you find the right P2000 backstrap. Also, the H.K. is a little nicer in random details like their slides feel smoother to rack, the mags don't just drop-free but it springs them out with force, and all the controls click more securely and feels nicer, if that kind of detail matters to you.

Good thing is you picked two of the best right there and you can't go wrong with either. Both will be reliable and accurate. Just figure out which grip angle and grip shape you prefer. Also my comfort level with GLOCK trigger puts me in the minority (I.E. not professional enough) so if you are comfortable with a relatively light and short trigger as most are I would get the 26 easily, but all this is J.M.O. and Y.M.M.V.

Oh yeah when you are in the gun-shop, you will feel a little like a dick for asking him to do this, but trying the different backstraps can make a world of difference. I have big hands, and for instance the P220 is a good fit to me so I was trying to duplicate the same "trigger reach" as that one, however with the H.K. the medium backstrap which was much smaller actually felt better and I naturally point it and control it better this way. Sometimes that can be surprising. Doesn't hurt to ask, though he might not want to let you try different sizes and I don't blame him. The upside is those swap-a-straps are in there solidly but doesn't just click in-and-out like some other brands' design, overall a good design because I was anti this idea until the P2000 it is so well done you don't even notice it's puzzle piece desing there until you look close, defintely cant feel it.


Good luck



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For my H&K owners that also own Glocks, how can you justify paying the premium?For me it was somewhat of a splurge, so I can't objectivly justify it feature vs. feature like I can with a GLOCK (I.E. most everyone prefers a better finish and saving money etc), excpet from a personal preference standpoint. But you CAN say if not better quality then nicer (like the smoother details above I mentioned), but yes I do admit the GLOCK is a much better buy.

Is the H&K P2000SK more accurate than the Glock 26?No. You're likely to find more differnce even within one model than consistently between examples of these two(I.E. they are both really accurate probably equally averaging a dozen of each).

Is the gun really worth it?
To me it was, because for my preferences it uniquely filled my needs. I admit it was somewhat overpriced but still worth it to me if that doesn't sound hypocritical. The only other alternatives I found features specs size etc I found were the likes of Ruger and Taurus of which I've had a few and I prefer Sig, GLOCK and H.K. It's the whole point of limiting returns I think, the lower you go the better value you get (E.G. even Hi-Points are accurate and reliable) so you end up paying more than you should for each step up. Ask the Ed Brown 1911 guys if they are overpriced, they'll say yeah but worth it. Granted those are guaranteed accuracy at 50 yards etc so you do pay for that, just an analogy and I'd buy some of those if I were rich. Let us know what you decide, or get both L.O.L. now and sell one later if need be. You'll want to keep both. After buying several brands, GLOCK sig and H.K. are the only ones I can't make myself sell even though I don't really NEED them.

Ben86
November 6, 2008, 07:29 AM
I feel that HK products are over priced. HK also hates you if you are a civilian. If you are a civilian then you are not worthy of touching their shining example of teutonic fury! :) Don't take my word for it: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

I say get a Glock, save $400 bucks and have a just as reliable weapon.

jehu
November 6, 2008, 08:37 AM
I have a G26,G19,G17,&G36 also HK P2000SK W/LEM, HK45c, USPc 9mm,USPf 45, USP 45 Combat, HK P30L. The accuracy & quality edge goes to H&K IMO, but the Glocks run fine and I can't say anything bad about them.:o

Dollar An Hour
November 6, 2008, 08:52 AM
The HK feels nicer in hand but no way is it worth the price difference.

The G26 has a better finish and a better trigger IMO. HK triggers are terrible more often than not, and HK has customer service to match.

Get the 26 and install some nice quality aftermarket sights and you're all set! :)

amstaffHK
February 5, 2010, 04:17 PM
First post yall, hope ya like it. With a name like countglockula we already knew what you were going to choose. The fact is the p2000sk is far beyond any glocks level. Glock as far as im conserned is like HK's little bro that wants to be like him more than anything. Glock has copied several things HK did first.. HK tends to attract a different class of people willing to spend that extra money for the extra quality..

So if you want a cheap gun that will work buy a glock
If you want a phenomenal piece of weaponry get a p2000sk

Starcheck55
February 5, 2010, 06:20 PM
you do know this thread is almost 1.5 years old....

W.E.G.
February 5, 2010, 06:51 PM
you do know this thread is almost 1.5 years old....

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/JesusResurrected.jpg

Starcheck55
February 5, 2010, 06:57 PM
Now I feel kinda bad for razzing him...it was his first post. Props for using the search function.

amstaffHK
February 5, 2010, 07:05 PM
Ya sorry fellas..

CPshooter
February 6, 2010, 12:39 AM
*edit* I don't even want to say anything that will keep this thread going. I didn't know it was that old...

Sod
November 17, 2010, 06:18 PM
Still relevant to me.

HK-Freak
November 17, 2010, 10:38 PM
G26 vs P2KSK... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH1zckt59kI

P30shtr
November 18, 2010, 12:19 AM
Well, I have the bigger brothers ( P30 & a G19) but... have also fired the G26 and the SK. The only thing the Glock has on the H&K is size, which also hurts it for me. I could get all my fingers on the SK where as on the Glock I could not (pinky hangin off) Which I dont like. The width of the slide, the Glock wins but, not by much. As another member said, he prefers a hammer as opposed to a striker fired weapon which, I also agree with. I dont know what it is, being able to put my thumb on it when holstering, just being able to see/feel what the hell is going on in general but, I just prefer an exposed hammer. Fit and finish in my opinion's gotta be pretty damn close. The H&K that I carry every day looks as good as the Glock thats been sitting in its case for about the last year so...:)
I like the controls on the H&K WAY better. Ambi, easier to use/engage, and better over all feel. I dont know, theres my little bit. If you want a cheap gun that will function get the glock. If you want a fine wine get the H&K. And , who cares how old this is, it had very little response, lets see if we can get it going again. And, Staffy, I think I've seen you elsewhere, welcome :)

badbadtz560
November 18, 2010, 12:48 AM
if u like the glock trigger, disassembly, grip angle, mag release, slide release, and grip texture....and don't mind that it's slightly uglier, I'd go for the glock

I went p2000sk b/c glocks hurt my hand and I feel safer w/ the lem trigger + disassembly. If I can get my hands on an hk45c mag release, I'll prefer it to the glock as well

I also went w/ p2000sk b/c my other carry is hk45c... and I didn't like glocks' .45 offerings

basically it's all down to which one u feel better with. The only data supporting one or the other is going to be something like glock .40s have an unsupported barrel (whatever the heck that means).. but you'll probably never accumulate a round count to have either fail on you

btw, I heard H&K's cust service is good now.. but that's from the folks at hkpro.. I've never heard anything about glock's cust service... but there are probably more armorers around to mod your glock should u want something done to it.

if the price of HK bothers you, go used.. $550-650 should cover you.. glock would be 350-450?

to me.. still very relevant topic that ppl consider XD and it never accumulated any posts.. which I thought is kinda weird.. seems like it'd be a bigger discussion XD

Shipwreck
November 18, 2010, 11:26 AM
I have a regular size P2000. I don't have any subcompacts now, but previously owned a Glock 26 for 8 years which I never really liked... I then replaced it with a Walther P99c (once I found out that they had tennifer covered slides). I sold the P99c last year because I now carry a full size gun concealed.

However, I have handled a lot of subcompacts recently, just to see what was out there. I think the P2000sk is my fav. It's got great ergonomics, and if I ever buy another doublestack subcompact, it would be the DA/SA version of the P2000sk.

Also, the XD Subcompact is not a bad gun. I rented one before, and did a head to head comparison with my P99c a couple of years back. I was considering buying that model XD at the time, but my P99c still came out on top for me. So, I didn't.

easyg
November 18, 2010, 12:15 PM
To each his own, but in my opinion the HK just isn't worth the asking price.
You end up paying nearly twice the price of a Glock but you get no increase whatsoever in performance, durability, reliability, or accuracy.

I would maybe consider the HK if it were on sale for 1/2 price.



Easy

JohnBiltz
November 18, 2010, 04:37 PM
The original post did not ask if the HK was better, the question was was it so much better was it worth the extra money? I don't think it is because it pretty much has to be twice as good which I have a hard time imagining. Now if a Glock does not fit your hand then OK a Glock does not suit you but other than that I don't think so. A Glock is a good gun, a HK may well be a better gun, but its not that much better. Back in the 90s I had a Sig 226, I thought it was better than a Glock, I was single making a decent wage so who cared what it cost. When I lost the 226 in a divorce I bought a Glock. I still thought the 226 was better but it just was not enough better to justify the price difference when money was tight. If money matters its not worth it. If money isn't important buy what you want.

possum
November 18, 2010, 05:43 PM
there is nothing that the glock can't do that the h&k can. I would go glock, but that is just me. I would get a good holster, ammo, mags, and training with the money left over by going with the glock.

vaherder
November 18, 2010, 07:32 PM
I take the H&K P2000SK over the Glock 26 at three times the price. Based on my experience H&Ks are more reliable, more accurate and are better built.
H&K also provides better customer service.

You get what you pay for. Is a 2011 BMW M3 superior to a 2011 Mustang GT? Is it worth the difference in price? I think so. Better chassis and brakes. The M3 engine is in far superior to Mustang's 5l. Its not even close.

Is a ribeye from Outback just as good as a top grade prime, grass fed dry aged for 28 days rib eye at more than twice the cost? BTW there are 9 grades of prime.

Is a lap dance from your wife just as good as as the one from your favorite porn star that you paid $100 for 20 minutes to at your favorite strip club?

is a Mahindra tractor just as good as a John Deere?

When it all goes to hell I trust a H&K. I don't trust Glock ever.

Now to OP the question is what is your life and your family worth?

Buy the gun you think will work for you. Its your life and your money.

VA herder

JR956678
November 18, 2010, 07:52 PM
As to the original question - only a would-be purchaser can make the decision as to whether the SK is worth the extra money over the G26.

For me that answer was initially a qualified "yes". I found an SK used at a good price - but never fired. I got it for only a little more than a G26 would have cost so I never had to pay much more for it.

Now that I have owned it and fired it I have to say - again for me - I would gladly have payed the full price for a brand new SK over the G26. I don't own a G26 but I do own a G19 and it's everything a Glock is and should be. But there was one thing that always bothered me about the Glock and that was carrying +1 (I always liked the safety of a 1911 even in condition 1). I was always nervous about holstering the gun - to the extent that I never really carried it. The SK has several features that assuaged my fears - P30shtr mentioned one of them. Because the SK has an exposed hammer you can put your thumb on the hammer during holstering and know that as long as the hammer stays down, the gun can't fire. A second is that the trigger guard is quite wide which prevents a holster from dragging the sides of the trigger - even if the holster has collapsed a bit. Also the SK has a loonng trigger pull - much longer than the Glock although with the LEM trigger (which mine has) it's about the same weight as my Glock which adds to my comfort level. Whereas I could never get comfortable with +1 with the Glock I am very comfortable with the SK. The fact that the SK gives me a second strike possibility is an added bonus of the trigger system.

Perhaps the biggest issue for me is the ergonomics. I carry in a Comp-Tac holster and I can draw the SK and it falls perfectly in my grip and points perfectly on target. All the controls just "work" for me from the magazine release to the slide stop / release and the trigger falls perfectly on my trigger finger.

It has been utterly reliable and accurate for me from the first round I chambered to the last round I fired, and has very quickly become the main gun I carry. I never intentionally go in harm's way, but if harm's way comes my way I would trust my life to the SK and I can't put a price tag on that level of confidence.

Radjxf
November 25, 2010, 09:13 AM
HK any day.

I've owned both, and much prefer the ergos, quality and accuracy of the HK. I've owned at least 10 HK's, and none have ever failed, ever. I've never needed any warranty service, and every time I've called HK for a part, they sell it to me. This "HK hates you" internet nonsense has almost grown to epic proportions.

One thing I agree on is the NIB prices are insane. Bought all of mine used.

BTW, how are those Gen4 Glocks doing?:neener:

benderx4
November 25, 2010, 09:53 AM
HK all day long. The internet garbage about HK customer service (CS) is written mostly by folks who have never owned one and have never used HK CS. Speaking of which, out of my 15 HKs or so, the only time I ever had to use HK CS was to find out which springs I needed to convert my standard LEM to "light" LEM. Travis was helpful, knowledeable, courteous and a real HK enthusiast.

The Glocks are fine for folks on a budget - I started off with them as well. But once I got to operate a HK, it was just a matter of time before they were all that filled my safe. Build quality, reliability, ergonomics, accuracy, safety - ALL better on my HKs.

And since I mentioned safety, do a Google search for Glock and accidental discharge. You'll find some very interesting reading, a bit more factual and useful than how HK hates you. Whatever.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4322659058549628092#

P30shtr
November 27, 2010, 12:22 AM
"The original post did not ask if the HK was better, the question was was it so much better was it worth the extra money? I don't think it is because it pretty much has to be twice as good which I have a hard time imagining. Now if a Glock does not fit your hand then OK a Glock does not suit you but other than that I don't think so. A Glock is a good gun, a HK may well be a better gun, but its not that much better. Back in the 90s I had a Sig 226, I thought it was better than a Glock, I was single making a decent wage so who cared what it cost. When I lost the 226 in a divorce I bought a Glock. I still thought the 226 was better but it just was not enough better to justify the price difference when money was tight. If money matters its not worth it. If money isn't important buy what you want." -JohnBiltz

Sounds to me like this is a $$$$ post.
Yeah I agree they are a little more but...you get what you pay for like anything else. I'm no Glock hater by the way, hava G19
How bout if they all cost $500, what would you get? (just to even out the playing field)

It would still be H&K all the way.

Lets get a little off topic, how bout a Colt or a RIA, which would you pick? Probably the colt right. Although from what MANY people say the RIA will run all day with the Colt. $1000 or $500 same kinda deal (sorry that last part was a little unnecessary, just trying to make a point)

P30shtr
November 27, 2010, 12:31 AM
I feel that HK products are over priced. HK also hates you if you are a civilian. If you are a civilian then you are not worthy of touching their shining example of teutonic fury! Don't take my word for it-ben86

I wont. Ever had to use they're CS? Unlikely.

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