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30mag
November 6, 2008, 10:46 PM
Explain to me why ARs come in so many different parts (upper receiver, lower receiver, what have you...) and how I could be exempt from an AWB by buying parts now.

I'm 18... so, I don't know if that makes a difference.

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30mag
November 6, 2008, 10:48 PM
Oh, and I probably can't afford a complete one off the starting line.

FMF
November 6, 2008, 10:49 PM
glad you're looking into the AR. They come in so many different parts because there are many different options and people love to personalize.

30mag
November 6, 2008, 10:54 PM
Ok, what's the difference?
I just want a general purpose AR, nothing special.. I like cheap.

FMF
November 6, 2008, 10:57 PM
difference? Woo boy you could go for days. Try a forum like M4carbine.net or ar15.com to see what other people have built for themselves.

Panther Arms (DPMS) has several well built, inexpensive ARs. Not exactly top shelf but they get the job done.

30mag
November 6, 2008, 11:00 PM
Well, I have a long way to go before I'm better than my guns.

SoCalShooter
November 6, 2008, 11:03 PM
Because it is a modular weapon system. Meaning it can be configured in just about any configuration you can think of and as soon as they can get laser's turned into weapons like in star wars I a will soon after have an AR laser upper :)

cbrgator
November 6, 2008, 11:26 PM
As you don't have experience with AR's yet, if I were you I would buy a complete lower receiver (the part the government considers the actual firearm) from a company like Stag, RRA, S&W or Bushmaster. They run $250-300 and are all pretty much the same. The real differences are in the upper but you can do research as to what you want in the meantime while you get the lower.

30mag
November 7, 2008, 08:35 AM
That is exactly what I wanted to hear.
Thank you very much.

Sorry for being vague.

30mag
November 7, 2008, 08:38 AM
So, I buy this, and I could get grandfathered in, right?

And I don't have an FFL, so who sells lower receivers..? Stagarms site says you have to FFL to have a lower receiver shipped to you.
I live in a small rural town, we don't really have gun shops here.
Traveling to DFW wouldn't be a big deal though.

Plas62
November 7, 2008, 08:52 AM
You should check out AR15.com there are several reputable dealers on there that you could get a good price on a lower from via thier website. Then you will just need to find a local FFL to accept the shipment and handle the tranfer.

I just bought a new Stag 2L and saved about $150 going through a dealer rather than direct from Stag.

cbrgator
November 7, 2008, 10:30 AM
Because the lower is considered the firearm, it will have to be shipped to an FFL for you to pick up from there. The FFL holders usually charge 20-30 bucks to do the transfer. This website will give you a list of FFL holders in your area. http://gunbroker.com/User/DealerNetwork.asp
When you order your lower you will give them the FFL shipping address. The upper receiver does not have to be shipped to an FFL and you can receive that at your front door.

30mag
November 10, 2008, 09:13 PM
Alright. Sweet.

mljdeckard
November 10, 2008, 10:08 PM
Go to Brownells.com and order their FREE AR catalog. All kinds of options you never knew you needed until you saw them in there.

Build your own lower. Just did my first one, took me an hour.

No one knows whether or not it will be legal after the ban because the ban doesn't exist. No one knows what it will or won't allow. (If it ever happens.)

Dr. Fresh
November 10, 2008, 10:20 PM
Something I've always wondered: Do you call up your FFL and tell/ask them about having a firearm shipped to them, or do you just do it? What's the etiquette?

JonB
November 10, 2008, 10:40 PM
Definitely call them and let them know what you want to do and what you are ordering, talk about what they charge for the transfer, etc, etc.

You may also have to ask them to fax their license to the place you are buying it from so they have it on record. Most places will know the drill, but I would definitely take the few minutes to call and chat with them.

mljdeckard
November 10, 2008, 10:44 PM
You also have to decide if it's worth it to have it shipped, rather than buying it locally. Your local shop might have a stripped lower for $150, then you find the same one online for $120. WOOHOO!. Then your FFL guy charges you $20, and shipping, plus you have to wait for it to get there. What was the advantage again?

Dr. Fresh
November 11, 2008, 12:15 AM
Kewl.

30mag
November 12, 2008, 06:05 PM
So, I just tried to sign up with AR15.com, but 'anonymous' e-mail services (hotmail, yahoo, gmail) aren't allowed.
What gives?

Zundfolge
November 12, 2008, 06:32 PM
So, I buy this, and I could get grandfathered in, right?
We don't know yet, it depends on how a future AWB is written (assuming we even get one).

I'm 18... so, I don't know if that makes a difference.
Being only 18 you won't be able to buy an AR lower from a dealer, you'll have to buy a complete rifle.

The new 4473 has a checkbox for "lower" now, and they are regulating them just like handguns (since you could build an AR pistol). So you'll have to be 21.

Read this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=401265


Now the $64 question is; Is a complete lower (with stock) now a rifle and not just a lower?

30mag
November 12, 2008, 06:51 PM
Also, does anyone know of any AR Dealers in Texas?
I would prefer to buy locally. Manufacturers are good also.

30mag
November 12, 2008, 06:52 PM
And that is crap.

30mag
November 12, 2008, 07:00 PM
Seriously... so, I have to buy a complete lower receiver, or a complete gun?
Anyone know?
Because I'm gonna have to take out a loan to buy a freaking gun if so.

30mag
November 12, 2008, 07:03 PM
Time for a new thread.

Zundfolge
November 12, 2008, 07:08 PM
Here's the new 4473 http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/100308f4473_pt1_aug2008-sample-rev.pdf

Read in the instructions (page 5, Question 18).


Based on that I believe you will need to buy a complete gun. :(

Hoppy590
November 12, 2008, 08:24 PM
Based on that I believe you will need to buy a complete gun.

once a stock is attached to the lower it can ONLY become a rifle. it CANNOT be a pistol. end story.

so it would seem to me once the stock is on, the lower can be no more of a pistol than the lower in a completed rifle can be

Zundfolge
November 12, 2008, 08:39 PM
once a stock is attached to the lower it can ONLY become a rifle. it CANNOT be a pistol. end story.
Yes it can only "become" a rifle, but it is not a rifle, and the law doesn't say under 21 can't buy handguns, it says under 21 can ONLY buy "Rifles" or "Shotguns". Specifically rifles or shotguns.

So since a lower (stripped or complete) is neither a rifle nor a shotgun you have to be 21 to buy it.

SSN Vet
November 12, 2008, 10:12 PM
Because it is a modular weapon system.

that says it all!

30mag
November 13, 2008, 10:26 AM
So since a lower (stripped or complete) is neither a rifle nor a shotgun you have to be 21 to buy it.

from an FFL.

cbrgator
November 13, 2008, 12:09 PM
Based on my reading of the form I would agree that requires you to be 21 for a lower.

Maelstrom
November 13, 2008, 12:19 PM
Based on my reading of the form I would agree that requires you to be 21 for a lower.

Damn. I knew I should have bought a lower when I was 21. I guess now that I'm not 21 anymore I'm screwed.

GrandmasterB
November 13, 2008, 05:34 PM
What if you buy a CavArms MKII lower? It can't become a pistol because the stock is permanently attached.

Hoppy590
November 14, 2008, 06:53 PM
Yes it can only "become" a rifle, but it is not a rifle, and the law doesn't say under 21 can't buy handguns, it says under 21 can ONLY buy "Rifles" or "Shotguns". Specifically rifles or shotguns.

So since a lower (stripped or complete) is neither a rifle nor a shotgun you have to be 21 to buy it.

as far as i know theres no qualifier in the laws that state "completed" rifle or shotgun. the "firearm" is the lower. and once the stock is on it it can only be a "rifle" or "shotgun" and not a pistol.

i suppose its down to semantics. but you see my point. on the federal level only that bit is the firearm. and once the stock is on that firearm can only be a long gun. since the BATFE doesn't regulate the other parts i don't see why the rifle would have to be completed beyond the stock.

but im no lawyer

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 14, 2008, 06:58 PM
Bottom line:

If you can afford one and it is legal to buy where you live, you'd be well off to buy simply a "complete lower". That's the part upon which you can build by later adding one of hundreds of various uppers. Even if stuff is banned, many people have multiple uppers which will come up for sale on the used market, due to the grandfather clause of any likely ban, and the fact that people will hang onto the rarer (and banned) lowers but still buy and sell different uppers - at least for a few years, after which uppers will dry up too.

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