Whats your Assault Rifle of choice


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LockingBlock
November 6, 2008, 11:49 PM
Please Direct me if this has been posted before. I can't find the info I'm looking for.

I figure I should buy an Assault Rifle but to many different kinds to choose from.
I got 2,000.00 for the gun. The rest of my money is going to ammo, mags, scope, Ect.

I like the Sig556 and the FN F2000 but I don't know anything about assault rifles so I might be missing out on one that I never heard of.

What should I be doing? What would you do?

PS. I don't want a standard ar15. everyone has one. Does that make sense?

Help me out.
Thanks guys.

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Bartkowski
November 6, 2008, 11:51 PM
PS. I don't want a standard ar15. everyone has one. Does that make sense?


No, there is a reason people have them. They are relatively affordable and very good rifles. You could spend a lot more to get only a slight advantage over an AR. If you change your mind I may be able to help more.

chris in va
November 6, 2008, 11:53 PM
The 556 and FAL are quite heavy. I much prefer a decent AK over those two. I converted my Saiga and couldn't be happier. Total cost...$500.

They also come in 308 and 223 if you're so inclined.

PFCLEE11B
November 6, 2008, 11:54 PM
well the f2000 is a good rifle. it is compact a bullup so it is accurate. the only problem it is not modular so there is no switching calibers. of the 2 you would be the best to go with the SIG as it is modular and you can do about anything with it

Golden Hound
November 6, 2008, 11:56 PM
What you're talking about isn't really an assault rifle because it's not select-fire. What you're talking about is a semiautomatic rifle with a pistol grip and the ability to take 20 or 30 round magazines.

If your budget is $2,000 and you don't want to go the AR route, the Sig sounds like a great choice. I've never actually used one but I only hear good things about them. If you want a .308, consider a FAL or an HK91. I like to plug the HK91 because I have one and I think it's under-rated. People often write that it has a bad trigger compared to other .308 battle rifles - when I bought mine, it already had a trigger job done to it so I can't really comment on that, but to get one done I have heard is only about 50 dollars. They also say the recoil is very hard but I totally disagree, I find it to be very manageable. It doesn't strike me as being much harder than my SKS. But that's just me. The Heckler and Koch model is overpriced - the PTR91 version, made in America, is about half your budget and is said to be just as good if not better in quality.

The FAL is quite popular around here - you may want to check that out too. DSA makes the best FALs other than the original FN model, or so I've heard.

LockingBlock
November 7, 2008, 12:33 AM
I will maybe go back to consider some AR15's.
I didn't even know about the FAL andHK91

I just read that the FN f2000 does not accept the beta c mag so I'm going to rule that one out.

HEY! who makes a good new ak47 now days?

Rubber_Duck
November 7, 2008, 12:37 AM
My "assault rifle" of choice is the AK. Can't go wrong with one, and with the money you have you will have plenty left for mucho ammo.

Prepster
November 7, 2008, 12:37 AM
I've often drooled over 1873 Winchesters, America's original assault rifle.

I saw a Calico (I think) that held 50 rounds of 9mm in a strange looking top-mounted magazine. I'd like one of those just because it's different. If not a quality AK would fit the bill.

LockingBlock
November 7, 2008, 12:43 AM
Who makes and where do I buy these Good new ak47's? I have only ever seen army surplus at gun shows and they are old and all rusted. They probably work like new but I would prefer a new one.

Defense Minister
November 7, 2008, 12:43 AM
You may also consider the Armalite AR10 if you go looking into a .308. That's what I would buy if I could get my wife on board with the expenditure part of the aquisition.

Springfield Armory M1As are also great in the .308 caliber.

LockingBlock
November 7, 2008, 12:48 AM
ar10 looks awesome!
Thanks Defense Minister

Joey_the_Wolf
November 7, 2008, 01:07 AM
An FN FNC.

Why? I'll tell you why. It's been written in history that Dieudonne Saive started designing the FAL back in 1947. THIS IS A LIE.

What happened is the U.S. Government secured cloning technology out of Nazi Germany. It was going to be used by Hitler to clone himself (and their best soldiers). It worked, but there were complications of life-span with the rapid aging with the technology the Germans were using, so it was abandoned in favor of more direct projects to help the Nazi war effort. After the war came to a close, documents proving its existence were found in Berlin, and the technology was confiscated before the evil commies were able to get their grubby mitts on it.

Several years went by with some trials and success. Once the Western powers discovered the existence of the AK-47, they realized they needed something to combat against it. Something even better. But, for once actually, the communists actually did something well other than subjurgating peasants. Diudonne Saive tried multiple times, yet nothing was found to rival the AK-47.

It was at this time that the West got desperate. While going through German secret documents captured during the war, FN engineers found the details of the German cloning machine. They realized this would be their only hope... They decided to clone John Moses Browning.

American authorities were quickly dispatched to John Moses Browning's grave in Ogden, UT. His body was quickly exhumed in the middle of the night and replaced with a decoy body and coffin. His remaining family members were paid off and told it was for national security reasons. The truth never got out. His body was then flown to Belgium in secret, and there the Nazi cloning machine was utilized in making a clone of John Moses Browning.

They succeeded.

John Moses Prowning was then re-made. His advanced aging process gene made him age approximately one year per month. Soon, he was an adult and was trained in the history of his life, education, and surroundings. Soon, he was ready to help develop the new rifle for the West.

John Moses Browning (Junior, his colleagues called him), had a difficult time at first, but he naturally adapted and overcame. Through many prototypes, the FN FAL was born. It was obvious, instantly, that the West had prevailed.

As years went by, JMB Junior aged even more. Then, as he lay dying, FN came to him at his death bed and asked him if he had any last words of requests.

He said, “Make the FAL an assault rifle”. It was 1954. John Moses Browning Junior soon died after he said that, at the supposed age of 83. FN engineers didn't know what to do. But they set out to comply with JMB Junior's wishes. 12 years later, after much toil and effort, they did with the FN CAL – which later became perfected as the FN FNC.

And THAT my friends, is why I'd pick an FN FNC rifle... :)


In all seriousness though, they are fun little rifles.

meef
November 7, 2008, 01:10 AM
PS. I don't want a standard ar15. everyone has one. Does that make sense?No.

And I don't have any choice of assault rifle. I don't own any assault rifles.

I do have a reasonable collection of firearms, but none of them have or are going to assault anybody.

:cool:

TonyDedo
November 7, 2008, 01:10 AM
Get an M14/M1A, put it in a Troy Chassis:

http://troyind.com/Images1/magazine.jpg

That is one bad ass rifle!!!

LockingBlock
November 7, 2008, 01:20 AM
ummm... thanks for the story. I think. I will look into the FN FNC further.

That MCR 308 is bad ass looking.:)

Girodin
November 7, 2008, 01:30 AM
Your budget pretty much leaves things wide open. There are many good choices but much depends on how you plan to use it and what capabilities you expect and/or how you rank them in importance.

Aside from what has been mentioned I will throw a few more options out.

The XRC.

If you like bullpups like the FS 2000 you should look at the AUG clones. I have experience with the Micro tech stg 556 and really like it. There is another aug clone that takes AR mags which I would prefer but I dont know anything about this one.

cliffy
November 7, 2008, 01:36 AM
I don't own an "ASSAULT" rifle. Civilian AR-15 rifles are not effective assault rifles. They can barely be considered self-defense rifles. When IRAN attacks America, you'll note how ineffective AR-15s truly are. At that time, I'll post my most potent .223 Remington handloads for use in AR-15 defense weapons. Fighting for one's homeland is what makes Americans great. cliffy

TonyDedo
November 7, 2008, 02:26 AM
That MCR 308 is bad ass looking.

It's not just the look - it's an amazing rifle to shoot. The best of both worlds between the AR and the M14. I put mine together for just over $2000, built on a Fed Ord receiver with USGI parts.

Fed Ord M14 - $900
Troy Chassis - $540
Troy BUIS - $200
LMT Sopmod stock - $250
Ergo grip - $20
EOTech - $300

ArchAngelCD
November 7, 2008, 03:05 AM
LockingBlock,
There is no such thing as an "Assult Rifle" so please try and stop using those words. Those are the words of the anti-gun groups used to try and scare all the sheeple.

Why not buy an AR with a 5.56X45 upper and add a 7.62X39 upper to cover all your bases. As a matter of fact,
add a .22 LR upper in case you need to hunt small game for food.

Golden Hound
November 7, 2008, 03:42 AM
There sure is such thing as an assault rifle. It's just that the rifles in America that people own aren't assault rifles. A real assault rifle is select-fire and fires an intermediate cartridge. The AK-47 and M-16 are genuine assault rifles. It's a legitimate term. It just needs to never be applied to the semi-automatic military-style weapons that we own - because THAT does feed into the hands of the Brady people.

"Assault Weapon" on the other hand is definitely an invented term, created by the anti gun people.

bkb0000
November 7, 2008, 04:11 AM
Everyone doesn't have ARs... very few people have ARs. A lot of GUN people have ARs, because gun people know guns, and know it's a superior platform. There's no other platform as customizable... these are just random pics of various peoples' ARs... non-AR guys wouldn't even be able to identify some of these. Each of these were probably built at just around $2,000 (excluding optics)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/Misc/w-knife.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/36cf82ce.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/simplydynamic/SPRPRSTAN.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/Swobodo75/DCP_0221.jpg

nagl0c
November 7, 2008, 07:05 AM
I have a Sig 556 and an SW MP-15.

Sig has a killer trigger...just awesome. Not a big fan of the handguards that come stock, however. I eventually want to put the old 551 handguards on it. I LOVE how easy it is to break down and clean though. It is a bit on the heavy side, and the sights that come standard SUCK. But overall, a great gun.

The SW MP-15 has MUCH better iron sights. Rear sight is flip up and works great. It does take about an hour to completely break down and clean though...much longer than it takes for the Sig. It's got good balance and shoots great. It's a much lighter weapon. I picked this up for just at $1,000. For that price, I got the gun and a case of 1,000 rounds for the same price I paid for the Sig.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 7, 2008, 07:11 AM
Does one need a special permit to install that vertical foregrip that is attached to the lower rail?

I thought one was needed (some sort of ATF stamp or something), but I'm just checking.

I don't have one, but I may know of someone who (I think) does have one.

LKB3rd
November 7, 2008, 07:18 AM
For a new AK, your best bet(possibly your only choice) is a Saiga. You can convert it to its original AK configuration yourself, or buy one pre converted. Both would leave a ton of room in your budget for ammo and other goodies. I have one in .308 that I like a lot, because CT considers one in 7.62x39 to be scary and is banned, while other calibers (even more powerful ones like .308) are not.

spyderdude
November 7, 2008, 08:02 AM
The AR-15 is a good platform, and the ability to switch to different calibers simply by changing out the uppers is nice. If you're familiar with building them, it should take you maybe half hour to an hour to build one from a stripped lower. Give two hours for a first timer. I've been thinking about building my own AR-15, and should at least grab a stripped lower while I still can. Having been a big fan of the AK-47 rifle, I've avoided the AR platform for a long time, that is until I shot one at a local range. Low recoil and the ability to carry lots of ammo makes it a fun gun to shoot. Two months ago I decided to purchase my first black rifle, the Smith & Wesson M&P15. I'm quite pleased with it too!

I enjoy the AK and AR platforms equally.

earlthegoat2
November 7, 2008, 08:18 AM
M1A Scout

Odd Job
November 7, 2008, 08:23 AM
The sproing puts me off the AR...is that an unavoidable feature on those rifles or can you get one with no perceived sproing?

foghornl
November 7, 2008, 08:26 AM
The AR-xx is a good platform..solid design, fast caliber change by switching uppers, etc.

I prefer something with a bit more "Thump!" on the receiving end, so I'll stick with my US Rifle Cal .30 M1 The Garand in .30-06.

MD_Willington
November 7, 2008, 09:06 AM
Saiga or AG10 (Saiga from Arsenal Nevada).

With minor mods you can use standard cap magazines, and the PC magazines.

The .223 version now has a US made AR mag adapter available, and they still look more like a hunting rifle...

Ben Shepherd
November 7, 2008, 09:29 AM
I reccomend an AR-15 or AK precisely because "everybody" has one. There are more complete guns and parts/accesories for these two platforms floating around out there than all the other platforms combined in the United States.

Asnswer these questions:

Which high-cap mags DIDN'T see a massive price increase during the 10 year run of the AWB? And WHY didn't they?

H2O MAN
November 7, 2008, 09:39 AM
TonyDedo Get an M14/M1A, put it in a Troy Chassis:

If you want a TROY M14 MCS stock for your M14/M1A make sure you purchase it from Tony at LAW483.com.
Tony was very instrumental in the design and development of this stock, he knows it better than just about anyone.

I had a few of the TROY stocks, but I am more familiar with and prefer the SAGE EBR stock for my M14s.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 7, 2008, 09:41 AM
If you meant to say "military pattern rifle" or "EBR" or "Homeland Defense Rifle" or "Militia Rifle", then here ya go:

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=5148129

jackstinson
November 7, 2008, 09:49 AM
My personal choice for a semi-automatic rifle, based upon a military design, and accepts 30-round magazines; is the AK platform. It's a rugged proven 60 year old design that just repeatedly goes bang every time. Not as pretty and sleek as the AR platform, but it's my preference.
Kinda like why I drive an old Jeep instead of a new Escalade. ;)
OH yeah....+1 on Winchester/Marlin/Browning/Henry/etc leverguns too!

H2O MAN
November 7, 2008, 09:49 AM
I prefer Homeland Defense Weapon ~ (HDW) :evil:

jackstinson
November 7, 2008, 09:59 AM
If you meant to say "military pattern rifle" or "EBR" or "Homeland Defense Rifle" or "Militia Rifle"
I prefer to refer to mine as simply an effective sporting rifle with which to efficiently cull a large group of feral swine. The wild boar population is growing in my state and who knows when one might run into 20-30 of them at once? Okay, so it's action is based upon a military rifle....what sporting rifle's action is not? :D

H2O MAN
November 7, 2008, 10:11 AM
Whats your Assault Rifle of choice?

I forgot to answer your question... in order:

1. M14 with an 18.0" barrel
2. 7.62x39 AKM with a fixed/collapsible stock
3. 5.56 AR with 16" mid length gas sytem

45B@cav
November 7, 2008, 12:56 PM
No the Vertitcal Forend Grip is not a ATF permit piece it's just a add on. Your state local laws may prohibit it but not in the Gun loving south. Special Permit Required?.......

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Does one need a special permit to install that vertical foregrip that is attached to the lower rail?

I thought one was needed (some sort of ATF stamp or something), but I'm just checking.

I don't have one, but I may know of someone who (I think) does have one.

againstthagrane
November 7, 2008, 01:03 PM
i want a tavor. i would never buy something made in israel though.

Gun Slinger
November 7, 2008, 02:18 PM
I prefer the Arsenal SA-M7 and SAS-M7 series AK-47s.

All of mine run flawlessly and the 7.62x39 is a serious intermediate battle caliber.

freonr22
November 7, 2008, 02:35 PM
i would really like a bar 1918, but in california, so it will never happen

http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=109430028

gandog56
November 7, 2008, 03:35 PM
It still gets me when someone calls a semi auto rifle an assault Rifle.

KBintheSLC
November 7, 2008, 03:36 PM
I prefer a high quality AK... Yugo, Russian, Israeli, Bulgarian, etc...

Spend $600-1000 on the rifle and invest the rest in ammo and mags. Its the only rifle you will ever "need".

Float Pilot
November 7, 2008, 05:36 PM
Whats your Assault Rifle of choice?

You probably meant to say...

Semi-Automatic sporting arms that may or may not have an appearence similar to some military, Police or fantasy firearms.

A true Assualt Rifle, from the german word "Sturmgewehr" (Storming Rifle) is a select-fire military weapon using an intermediate powered cartridge.

freonr22
November 7, 2008, 05:44 PM
i guess the bar wont qualify in true form as they are not select fire, BUT they sure put up a heck of an assault!

barry960
November 7, 2008, 06:05 PM
i would really like a bar 1918, but in california, so it will never happen

I'm surprised if there isn't a California legal variation out there. It would have to have a fixed 10 round magazine, and then converted to be loaded from the top, possibly with stripper clips, am I right? I've seen a variation of an FAL/L1A1 type rifle like this.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 7, 2008, 06:16 PM
I have a semi-automatic, but it is not an assault rifle.

I use my SEMI-AUTOMATIC rifle to hunt deer and black bear with 5-round magazines.

Rifleman 173
November 7, 2008, 07:35 PM
I've put together an M-4 carbine type firearm that shoots the 7.62 X 39 cartridge. I'll have the M-4 carbine ergonomics to use while shooting the bigger, more effective 7.62 cartridge. A while back I was looking at a video of the Finnish Army in training. They were using what looked to be Valmets in 7.62 X 39. The Valmet is a higher quality AK-47 type rifle. The video showed the soldiers going through training, engaging targets and shooting through walls with their Valmets. It was a neat video to watch and got me thinking. Preliminary research indicates that I should be able to get 1 MOA out of my new toy and it will have better punch that the wimpy .223 poodle shooter round. Some tests show that the 7.62 X 39 cartridges will zip right through some steel plates that stop the .223 bullets.

possum
November 7, 2008, 07:52 PM
the ar series

gunseller2
November 7, 2008, 08:07 PM
A good quality Ak-47 style rifle with a lot of mags and rounds. Kudos to those who correct those who incorrectly use term "assault rifles". Education will never be more important than it is today.

brasskeeper
November 7, 2008, 09:47 PM
Prepster I've often drooled over 1873 Winchesters, America's original assault rifle.




I Think that I have one of the original "american assault rifles". I have a Musket made in 1861 and was used in the cival war

anymanusa
November 7, 2008, 10:42 PM
I like SEMI automatic sporting rifles, in the following order:

1: Bulgy and Yugo AK's, Tantal, FAL, DPMS 308 -all tied for first
2: AR15's. Their inability to cycle cheap ammo as reliably as the above mentioned rifles puts them in 2nd place.

doc540
November 7, 2008, 10:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/SKS/000_0384-2.jpg

zedheadmc
November 8, 2008, 12:02 AM
.75 Caliber Brown Bess with the bayonet of course :D.
Keep your powder dry!

tribbles
November 8, 2008, 01:07 AM
For me, it's not an assault rifle, but a semi-automatic version of the FN-FAL battle rifle:

http://www.apathy-central.org/tribbles/images/fal1.jpg

This is one of my sporting rifles, which happens to be the same caliber as a well-known assault rifle type:

http://www.apathy-central.org/tribbles/images/reddot2.jpg

xx7grant7x
November 8, 2008, 03:48 AM
M1A all the way

hobgob
November 8, 2008, 04:35 AM
In order: LMT AR, FN2000, M1A. ... Normally the M1A would proceed the bullpup, but i figure you are looking for somethin with a bit more capacity.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 10, 2008, 07:26 AM
I once owned a .223 Valmet that I purchased new (in the early 80's) that was a real fine gun. I remember I could strip that gun completely down in less than a minute, and could re-assemble in less than a minute. It had Tritium sights and a folding stock from the factory and was one sweet gun. I even had a bayonette for it that was extremely sharp and made by Fiskar (the scissor & knife people)!

I believe this was it:
http://www.valmetweapons.com/images/valmet_model_76f_acces-500.jpg

Sometimes I wish I never would have sold all the guns I had in the past. I would have quite a collection now, had I not.

My philosophy now is that, no matter how tight money is, I do not sell a firearm. I don't have many, but the ones I do have I use regularly for hunting and/or for defense.

Mp7
November 10, 2008, 07:39 AM
get TWO Saigas and plenty of ammo.

USSR
November 10, 2008, 08:04 AM
DSA built Stg.58 FAL with ultra-low mounted Sightron SI 3-9x40 Mildot Scope.

Don

http://ussr.clarityconnect.com/FAL1.jpg

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 10, 2008, 10:22 AM
i would never buy something made in israel though.

And why would that be? :scrutiny:

Nugilum
November 10, 2008, 10:24 AM
for my situation (aka location and such), SKS with A LOT of stripper clips. :D

SSN Vet
November 10, 2008, 11:13 AM
my "assault weapon" of choice...

one that has "evil" features, is black, goes bang....

AND makes liberals wet their pants... :neener:

expvideo
November 10, 2008, 11:42 AM
I like my Polish AKMS underfolder in 7.62x39. I prefer solid stocks, but the underfolder is nice because it can be tossed in a duffle bag. I put a bunch of non-tapco stuff on it, so it's a very capable little HD/SHTF rifle.

Now that Obama is president elect, I've decided to build an AR-15. I want one and now's the best time to get one. If I had a whole bunch of money, I'd probably still get an AR-15.

EDIT: Here's a pic. The smoke mag is just for show. They suck for reliability. Stick to standard steel mags. The underfolder stock has a neoprene cover that keeps it from getting too hot or too cold.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/expvideo/HPIM0723.jpg

kBob
November 10, 2008, 12:39 PM
Lockingblock,

Pages lost when I moved he keyboard and touched the esc key darn it.

Synoposis follows

What rifle has the best availability of spares and acessories?

Which rifle will a local smith likely know somthing about?

Which rifle will raise the fewest eyebrows by looking like something the local stat and federal police forces might carry and which the Nation Guard and military might carry?

Which rifle are you likely to find appropriate ammo and various choices of ammo down at the local gun shop or department store with gun and ammo department?

Which gun will more available instructors be thouroghly versed in the use of and instruction of?

SOme folks will drop their teeth when kBob seems to contradict many of his rants on this rifle but

I think the AR 15 is the answer to all those questions.

I think you might be able to spend your $2000 and have a useable AR rifle or carbine with the A2 style sights on a fixed carrying handle, a rim-fire adaptor a bit of centerffire and some rim fire ammo and a few spare magazines and get some decent beging training and buy a kids meal at a burger joint.

DO go out and "try on" a few of the rifles like you think you might like. When the guys at the counter and the hangers ons roll their eyes at your hefting the rifles and throwing them up to your shoulder while pointing them in a safe direction smile to your self and know these guys order shoes by mail without trying them on first. If possible find a buddy with one or more of the rifles that will take you shooting or if a rental range is available take said buddy to the range with you and actually fire a few shots from the guns.

Don't trust anything you read on the internet, even THR until you find it to be true yourself, even me. (then how can we know if we can trust the statement to not trust anything on the internet, hmmm?)

Use modern lubes on your AR and learn what it takes to keep it clean and working. Buy spares like firing pin retaining springs, an extracter, exactor spring and retaining pin or better yet a complete bolt, a spare set of gas rings or look on some of those untrustworthy internet posts to see what others keep as spares. (do a search on THR rifles for AR spare parts for instance) Get a decent militay manual on the ARs that has soldier level maintenance and perhaps a technical manual with unit armorer information.

I have been in training classes with Morrigan Consulting where students ranged from never touched a "Tactical Carbine" before buying one (or being loaned one) for the class to federal lawenforcement and military instructors with loads of experience and seen everyone learn something and report a good experience.

Training is more important than what gun. I would rather see a friend with an iron sighted ban period thumb hole stock MAK-90 and the worst run of Chinese urine smelling ammo I ever used, BUT have taken a good three day course on shooting and maintaining that, than a friend go out and buy the latest FNSIGHK with every gegaw ever hung on a rifle for it and only played with it at the range a bit and read and even written favorable internet reviews on the FNSIGHK whatever mark III. (whew , breath kBob)

But what do I know?

-Bob Hollingsworth

Tigerclaw_x
November 10, 2008, 01:15 PM
Well. I do not wish to offend an AR15 fans, but AR15 would be my LAST choice. Here is why: the rifle is VERY touchy as to what ammunition it eats. It is equally touchy to the environment.
My choices would be ANY of the following:
HK33, FNC, FAL, HK91, STG556, AK (any), Steyr Aug. Beretta AR70/90. However, if I had to limit my choice, I would take an FN/FAL or a G3. I preffere 308 caliber to 5.56

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 10, 2008, 01:17 PM
the rifle is VERY touchy as to what ammunition it eats. It is equally touchy to the environment.

No. No, it's not, actually.

kBob
November 10, 2008, 02:16 PM
Tigerclaw,

I am not an AR15 fan, thus the bit about folks dropping their jaws.

It has not been my experience that ARs are finicy about most ammo. I HAVE used reloads I found to have OAL greater than spec that jammed, but not ammo in spec.

BTW I have seen HK 91 and G3 fail to function with some loads of .308 and rip the rim off comercial .308 ammo.

Of course I have seen sporting ammo and even military issue ammo from ..223/5.56 have rims torn in ARs as well and even GI amo in an M-1A for that mater.

I absolutely agree there are more reliable rifles than the ARs out there. Reliability means nothing if you can not find parts when those rifle DO break down. Reliability means nothing when you can not find a gun smith to fix what you can not.

The OP said Assualt Rifle and to me that limits the cartridges to intermediate rounds see my comments about battle rifles.

I have posted on here many many complaints about the AR as a service rifle.

But ...............oh re read the post.

-Bob Hollingsworth

oneeyenurse
November 10, 2008, 03:19 PM
Bought a Sig 556 last week. Love it. Heavy but a very high quality firearm.

Kentak
November 10, 2008, 03:29 PM
Go with a good AR15 platform in whatever configuration you want. If you've got lots of money for this new interest, there are hardly any other rifles you can throw so much money at for accessories.

And, one big advantage of the AR platform--the ability to swap out uppers in different configurations and calibers. You can go from a 16in M4gery to a 20 or 22 in target/varminter in seconds. You can swap out a DI action for a piston.

K

DJAteOhAte
November 10, 2008, 03:45 PM
For a new AK, your best bet(possibly your only choice) is a Saiga. You can convert it to its original AK configuration yourself, or buy one pre converted.

That's what I'm doing.

I just bought a 7.62x39 Saiga a couple of weeks ago. I plan to convert it to pistol grip configuration and add the bullet guide to accept standard AK magazines.

For $350, you get this:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/saiga16.jpg

$130 in parts and two hours time gets you this:
http://elitefirearms.net/db4/00329/elitefirearms.net/_uimages/saiga762.jpg

Walkalong
November 10, 2008, 03:52 PM
Whats your Assault Rifle of choice

None. I am too poor. :(

Now, I do have a couple of semi auto lookalikes. Tactical rifles if you will. I like the AK, the AR, and the Mini 14 myself for dependable, self loading rifles with a capacity greater than say......5.


You can "assault" someone with any weapon, brick, rock, knife, 2X4, ball bat...............

ds92
November 10, 2008, 04:02 PM
My vote goes for the AR-15. With that much money, you can buy a nice DPMS or Colt and customize the living crap out of it. That way it wont be "Standard". Just because lots of people have AR's doesnt mean that they're standard.

But, if your set on a non-AR platform, I would go with an M1A. I know, its not exactly a true assault rifle, but you can make those things look SO mean. If i had $2000 to spend on a gun, you can bet your buttons the next thing in my safe would be an M1A socom II.

JImbothefiveth
November 10, 2008, 05:26 PM
Not trying to hi-jack, but does anyone know if weapons made in Isreal have a reputation for low quality? One person's post made me wonder.

bkb0000
November 12, 2008, 11:59 PM
some do.. i don't know where all in the country Big 5 sporting goods stores are, but go into any of those and you'll see some PIECE OF **** IMI weapons.. generally in the form of M1A's.

that's my only experience with them. Magnum Research is israeli based, and by all accounts the Eagle line of pistols are quality... but again, I've never actually fired any.

WardenWolf
November 13, 2008, 12:19 AM
Personally, I like AK's, particularly some of the newer variants chambered in American cartridges. They're not nearly as inaccurate as some people think, and they're extremely reliable. I look at it from an SHTF perspective: if I don't have time or the right materials to clean my gun, which gun is going to keep working the longest? And which gun is most likely to work when I need it to? The AK is the answer.

Will Fennell
November 13, 2008, 12:26 AM
I've got a really kewl custom mid lenght AR with custom specified barrel and FF rail.....its a lot of fun to shoot....really fast, really accurate:)

I have more confidence in my FAL as my EBR if I were in a sudden fight.....

If I had to make a life or death shot, I would rather have my Winchester M70 in .308, or my latest love affair SAKO 85 in .260 rem.

LockingBlock
November 13, 2008, 12:32 AM
I want 2 ebr's now
I want a new ak. where can i get one cheap?

tmajors
November 13, 2008, 12:36 AM
Currently my weapon of choice is my SKS, but only because I've been shooting mine for 12 years now. Second being my non-ban danger Howa 1500 30-06 that I been throwing lead with for 20 years.

Give me a few months of trigger time on my new AR-15 and I'm sure I'll switch.

Ignition Override
November 13, 2008, 12:47 AM
Those posters who depicted their SKS, Saiga etc appear to have really good advice, among others.

For many, a large quantity of ammo should be affordable to support the most dependable self-defense rifles. I speak for nobody else and have no desire to have a gun which only shoots fairly-expensive ammo. I basically used ammo+reliable rifle costs (other than the prices for over-priced Minis and afterm. mag problems) to make decisions.

Russian-designed rifles constantly receive the highest acclaim for reliability and effectiveness, every minute of every day. Let's exclude Hollywood's and the media's deceptive propaganda machines against them. It may not be patriotic, but American companies chose not to build similar weapons.

The Israelis seem to have combined the better assets of both the M-16 and AK in the Galil (?). They have fought wars of survival in the sand and dust.
I could be totally wrong, being sort of new at all of this, but can't see a reason for a higher-cost rifle (M-14, FN FAL) for shorter-range plinking/self-defense. If lots of money were available, might spend large funds on .308 ammo and a military-style rifle for it. But a second, identical rifle for back-up would be pricey. Wish I had bought a second SKS or even a Saiga/classic AK before dedicating most gun money to ammo over the last nine months (long before the election), and envy those who have both a few SKS and AKs/Saigas etc. There are some exotic SKS with the fixed 20-rd. mag for sale on auction sites sometimes. Pardon my salivating (and some series were designed for AK mags).

Mini 14/30, MN44s, just one (N.) SKS until a second 'adoption' in the future. Iron-sights only, no gear except straps (gear money costs us ammo). Simple shooting and only standing.

WardenWolf
November 13, 2008, 02:28 AM
The reason I chose the .223 Saiga was twofold: commercial, non-corrosive ammo is fairly cheap and readily available, and it can fire the same round our military uses.

Ammo may not be as cheap as surplus for the 7.62x39 version, but it's cheaper than commercial 7.62x39 and I also don't have to do a thorough scrubbing and cleaning of the entire gun every time I use it. The fact that our military uses compatible ammo is also important to me in case of an emergency. If I ever have to salvage or share ammunition, 5.56 is pretty much guaranteed to be available, and I know my gun can take the hotter load.

I also keep long guns in a few other calibers around, such as 7.62x54R. I have a spam can of the stuff. And for a real oddball, the Arisaka 99 in 7.7 Jap that my grandfather brought back from World War II. It's serviceable, as I restored it and took it to the range a few years ago, although finding more ammo for that in an emergency situation would be an exercise in futility.

dscottw88
November 13, 2008, 03:09 PM
I'm a huge fan of the FAL. It is the "Right arm of the Free World" afterall.

H2O MAN
November 13, 2008, 03:34 PM
No assault rifles here, but I do like all of these semi automatic weapons.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/Illuminating.jpg

Adam Lee
November 13, 2008, 10:36 PM
FWIW, econo-box Norinco 1994 jobber; updated with all the 922R bits, with an added 75-round ChiCom drum for "shock and awe" factor.

Don't be makin' no comments about the rustoleum kustom job!:rolleyes:

The other is pretty assaulting too, plain jane 3" chambered 870 from a Sports Authority sale rack a few years ago.

"Family foto" shot - take your pick, and I'm sure they could all do a good job of urban/suburban/ghetto/woods/ranch/mountain combat.

All cheap, fun guns...relatively speaking.

nitestocker
November 13, 2008, 11:49 PM
i like the ak as well

caymangone
November 14, 2008, 02:09 AM
Any assault rifle will do, as long as its black.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r22/caymangone/gun1.jpg

General Disarray
November 14, 2008, 03:36 AM
Oh, how I love when these threads are started. I don't know if what I have to contribute to this is going to be useful (or mentioned and I missed it) but here were my thoughts based on the *original* question.

If you asked me what to get with your $2000 I'd go for 3 different platforms in their off the rack configurations. The reason I say this is from my own experience when after I blew my whole wad on my first AR-15, I caught the black rifle bug, and couldn't wait to get another. There are different things about each platform that you may or may not like/appreciate, and until you shoot them all you can't know, right? If you really want to cut to the chase, the Gun Bible from author Boston T. Party does a point by point analysis/comparison of all the platforms mentioned here. I can summarize: get an M14 or a FAL for a true battle rifle; get an AR if you can't handle the recoil. :neener:

Seriously though; these threads always go all over the place, so if one were try and encapsulate the entirety of the issues herein, I'd say the 1st thing you must decided is what caliber, and then pick a platform from there. The opinions on caliber choice are endless. Boston T. Party summed it up best when he said between the three BR calibers (.223, .308, 7.62) only .308 can be relied upon to penetrated cover. Take that for what it's worth, cuz any of those three placed directly between the eyes do the trick.

So like I said, instead of a fully tricked out AR or M14, I'd go for the "stock combo pak": a stock Ak-47 ($400), an AR ($650), and either a FAL ($950) , or an M14 ($1K) and have a blasty blast learning them all. :evil:

Adam Lee
November 14, 2008, 05:31 AM
General Disarray, agreed! Been there, done that approach, was the best way to learn by doing 'em all simultaneously.

After you get happy with one/several calibers/platforms, let the mods begin!! And for gosh sakes, locate a shooting "center" where you can get some consistent range time.

Matrix187
November 14, 2008, 11:27 AM
AKM - Reliable, and the 7.62x39 round is all you need and good out to 300m.
Want- M1A with detachable scope set up.

General Disarray
November 14, 2008, 01:45 PM
AKM - Reliable, and the 7.62x39 round is all you need and good out to 300m.
Want- M1A with detachable scope set up.

See; this makes my point. Everyone who has just one kind winds up with a "want" list. Get as many as you can. ;)

As I also mentioned the debate on calibers always surfaces when this question is asked. It's debatable which caliber is the "do-all". While the criticism of the limitations of 7.62 and .223 piles up, you never seem to hear guys with .308's wondering if they have adequate fire power for all situations. :cool:

I didn't answer you directly though, did I? I think it's been noted that "assault rifle" is an anti-gun term which most are quick to correct. In terms of Battle Rifles, the choices rank as M1A and FALs, and then the rest of them. :neener:

ByAnyMeans
November 14, 2008, 03:08 PM
I have an Ak ( converted saiga ) and it's perfect, get that and there will be no "want" list after. Atleast for me ymmv.

Edit to add: several wanted guns just an AK fills all requirements for an all purpose rifle. The rest are handguns, shotguns and scoped bolt action rifles / lever guns

skeet king
November 14, 2008, 05:45 PM
My Ak kicks my ARs butt If i could buy a new rifle with unlimited funds I would buy that mcr .308

Ruggles
November 14, 2008, 08:19 PM
"PS. I don't want a standard ar15. everyone has one. Does that make sense?"

It does to me. The AR is a world class platform but there is nothing wrong with wanting to be different. Alot of good platforms out three. The FS2000 would be a good one IMO. I went with the PS90 because it does everything well that I want to or expect to have to do.

Bill_G
November 15, 2008, 07:34 AM
they aren't pretty....but the SKS is ultra reliable. if you can live with 10 rd mag....it cant be beat.

or grt yourself a new Mini 14 with the bull barrel.

MikePGS
November 15, 2008, 07:43 AM
Personally i've always wanted an M1A.

Barret makes a nice rifle (in 6.8 spc) but it actually might be out of your range (They're pricey for sure).

H2O MAN
November 15, 2008, 07:44 AM
General Disarray

If you asked me what to get with your $2000 I'd go for 3 different platforms in their off the rack configurations.

:D All of mine started off in rack grade conditions and then they evolved.

idtstudent
December 1, 2008, 01:08 AM
I have gone with the SAIGA in .308. All the awesomness of the AK in a local and better caliber of the .308.
FBMG.com has them for $500!!

lipadj46
December 1, 2008, 02:13 AM
Decide if you want a .223 rifle or .308 or 7.62x39. A rifle accurate at long range or short range. Penetration at long range or lighter ammo with less penetration. Lightweight or heavy. Expensive or cheap. Cheap or expensive ammo. Flexible platform or not. Make a checklist of what you want then the choice will become clear hopefully.

My choice for a rifle was an M14 (M1A). I chose long range, high penetration, heavy, expensive rifle, expensive ammo, limited platform unless you have some serious bucks (like $800 stocks, $300 scope mounts, $300 oprods etc). I like the rifle though and always have wanted one so I ignored the negatives.

Also figure its the only modern battle rifle that is AWB state friendly without any serious concessions, ********** legal and most likely to survive any new legislation.

nwilliams
December 1, 2008, 02:24 AM
I'm an AK guy myself. I love AR's I think they're great but there's just something about the AK I've always been fond of.

From left to right:
Converted Saiga (7.62x39)
Norinco 84s-3A (.223)
Norinco 84s-1 (.223)
Arsenal SLR-95
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/AKs1.jpg

SnakeLogan
December 1, 2008, 01:39 PM
6.8 SPC 16-inch AR15 loaded with 110 gr TSX.

Almond27
December 1, 2008, 01:54 PM
Barrett REC7 no others compare.

lefteyedom
December 1, 2008, 05:20 PM
I like a Springfield Model 1873 with the barrel cut down to 18"

88530

And a brace of Walker dragoon as as back up......
88531


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