Ammo Feeding Frenzy...


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KBintheSLC
November 7, 2008, 02:20 PM
This is a quote from one of the sites I get my ammo from...

"Due To An Extreme Increase In The Amount Of Orders, We Are Currently Experiencing A Delay In Shipping. Your Order May Be Delayed 5-6 Working Days." www.ammunitiontogo.com

Do you guys think we are justified in hoarding ammo and guns in this treacherous political environment? Or is this just baseless paranoia? Does Obama and the rest of the socialist dominated gov really have time to do much in respect to gun control in the immediate future? Are gun owners justified, or are we just hoarding goods for another "Y2K"?

Either way, I ordered a 1K rounds of ammo for the AK, and a few mags just in case. You can never have too much ammo and mags.

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Tommygunn
November 7, 2008, 02:28 PM
Maybe a little of both .....
Some have said the Obama administration won't be able to do much in the immediate future due to the economic problems he'll be burdened with. I think that is likely a good point, so it really isn't necessary to buy scads of ammo and mags now.
Now, before too long, it may become critical if Obama does push a new AWB.
Having said all that, I think it was better to have prepared for this about two years ago.
I wouldn't sweat the fact that many places are short on inventory right now, it'll come back ... but OTOH I would start doing something soon if you plan to do anything at all.

Tacbandit
November 7, 2008, 02:30 PM
I've seen something similar on a couple of other sites...There's a demand...
people are afraid of being left high and dry, and limits/ taxes, availability, etc.
Just like you bought a bunch, and a lot of us others are as well,...hey, it may
get tougher to get ammo in at a reasonable price, and in a timely manner.
I say, "get what you can, while you can.." Don't allow what others may or may not do determine whether you have what you need or not. In other words, if you need it, get it...don't wait...Otherwise, you only have yourself to blame.
:)

Gun Slinger
November 7, 2008, 03:01 PM
Saw the "writing on the wall" over three and a half years ago with the generalized dislike of "W" and realizing that things would eventually change, I bought all that I could ever need in .22LR, 9mm, .45 A.C.P. .223, 7.62x39, .308, .30-06 and .375 H&H at prices that are nowhere near as exorbitant as they are today.

Buying ammo (even "extra") is always "justified" regardless of the times because the situation can always end up in the "dumper" at some point thereafter.

Now I am just watching the "excitement" and it is rather entertaining. :neener: :neener: :neener:

I voted "justified".

:)

HoosierQ
November 7, 2008, 03:52 PM
I voted Y2K but, and being in IT, I knew that Y2K was going to be nothing. However, I stocked up on stuff (gassed everything up, bought rounds, got bread, got some cash, etc) not because I thought TEOTWAWKI was afoot but because enough people did that I figured there'd be a line at the gas pump, rounds would be scarce, ATM empty until Monday etc.

So, I'd stock up a little bit just because...

elrod
November 7, 2008, 04:12 PM
Putting the political factor aside, ammo and mags are going up (as is everything else) at a rate that makes extra supplies a darned good hedge against inflation.

GBExpat
November 7, 2008, 04:22 PM
Like Gun Slinger, I completed my Stock-Up 2-3 years ago and since then have been happy that I did, considering the subsequent rapid upswing in prices.

I, too, voted "justified".

I am hoping that the SC decision on Heller does not turn out to be the High Water Mark of our contemporary "gun rights".

barnetmill
November 7, 2008, 04:39 PM
Tommygunn Some have said the Obama administration won't be able to do much in the immediate future due to the economic problems he'll be burdened with. I think that is likely a good point, so it really isn't necessary to buy scads of ammo and mags now.
Now, before too long, it may become critical if Obama does push a new AWB.
Having said all that, I think it was better to have prepared for this about two years ago.
I wouldn't sweat the fact that many places are short on inventory right now, it'll come back ... but OTOH I would start doing something soon if you plan to do anything at all.

My fear is since he and his supporters (especially Pellosi) will not be able to do much about the economy that they may divert the public attention with an attack on civilian held firearms.
But I am not hoarding ammunition. I bought some over the years and plan (hope) on being able to buy more in the future as I use up what I already have on hand.

ny32182
November 7, 2008, 04:59 PM
I always wonder about people who "stocked up a couple years ago so now I'm good"... say you shoot even 1000 rounds per caliber per year. If you shoot even just four calibers, if you want to shoot for the next 20 years, you need to have stocked 80,000 rounds of ammo, and thats on the low end.

I'm sure there are a handful of folks out there who have that much or more, but they've got to be seriously in the minority. If you aren't one of those people, presumably you will need to buy more ammo at some point in the future. If you think high ammo prices are funny now, you'll really be getting a chuckle when time does come to buy more...

ridata
November 7, 2008, 05:49 PM
ny32182: If for some reason ammo skyrockets in price (ie. astronomical) I think those who have stocked up and those who haven't will be cutting down on their shooting. They won't be shooting 1000 rn/year.

offthepaper
November 7, 2008, 06:00 PM
Like my sig line states:
Remenber the Boy Scout motto.....

Sam Adams
November 7, 2008, 06:14 PM
Tough one. I voted Y2K, because I don't think that there's an immediate problem. Yeah, on 1/20/09 Obama could issue an Executive Order banning the importation of ammo, but I've got to believe that the sellers of foreign surplus will have so much in the country by then that it won't matter for quite a while.

As for domestic supplies, he can't do much about that without an act of Congress, and there are higher priorities than limiting ammo. Semi-autos...now there's a different matter. I won't be surprised to see some kind of action there before long. They'll go for a super-AWB, with no sunset provision. If'n they have no grandfather clause, though, then there are going to be a lot of people who don't get to be grandfathers - so I don't think they'll go there.

I'll buy some more stuff after the panic subsides a bit in a few weeks.

Let's all remember that the Republicans will likely have a veto on bills due to having more than 40 Senators and being able to filibuster. It is OUR job to make sure that the Republican leadership and any gun-RINOs have the message loud and clear that we are watching, and we won't tolerate ANY anti-gun legislation getting by them.

BHP FAN
November 7, 2008, 06:22 PM
I cast my own,and reload.I'm buying primers.

damien
November 7, 2008, 06:25 PM
I don't know, but I bought a case of 9mm, a case of .223, half a case of .38, half a case of .357, half a case of .380 from Natchez yesterday.

hobgob
November 7, 2008, 06:26 PM
I shoot quite often, way more that a 1000rds per year, so to me stocking up on good practice ammo is a must. Also having a good supply(a few hundred rounds) of defense ammo for my carry weapons and HD weapons. Since I only started my collection 2 years ago, I did not really see the need back then to stockpile mass amounts of mags and ammo. Nor did I have the means. However, now I see a solid reason for stockpiling ammo, reloading components, and mags JIC. A few stripped lowers couldnt hurt either.

Brisco Pike
November 7, 2008, 06:27 PM
What if they, heaven forbid, ban all firearms? What good is all that ammo going to do ya then?

FMJMIKE
November 7, 2008, 06:43 PM
Obama will end the war in Iraq and then the price of ammo will drop......:D

Gun Slinger
November 7, 2008, 06:45 PM
If for some reason ammo skyrockets in price (ie. astronomical) I think those who have stocked up and those who haven't will be cutting down on their shooting. They won't be shooting 1000 rn/year.



As one who has stocked up, I agree with your premise, ridata. What I have right now will remain at the level that it has ever since I laid the supply in. If I want to shoot, I buy new ammo and rotate out the "old stock" as I go along. Think of it as "Dollar Cost Averaging"....

Should the situation worsen, my shooting habits will change commensurately and I will still continue to shoot and practice to maintain my profiency albeit at a much lower rate of consumption. Just have to stress quantity over quality and make sure that I consume efficiently enough to carry me through the "hard times".

Omaha-BeenGlockin
November 7, 2008, 07:27 PM
My goal is to have 25,000 primers and 25lbs of powder---minimum 10,000 .22LR rounds on hand.

Then shoot and replace what I shoot from there---I'm halfway to my goal on all counts.

That will be $1400 wrapped up in supplies and I haven't even gotten around to stocking bullets and brass. Have a lot of once fired brass laying around---pretty thin on bullets.

USSR
November 7, 2008, 07:53 PM
It never ceases to amaze me, the number of guys on this site who, despite what the dems have done in the past (AWB) and say they intend to do in the future (AWB), continue to deny that it will happen.

Don

Tommygunn
November 7, 2008, 08:21 PM
Obama will end the war in Iraq and then the price of ammo will drop......

He'll send the soldiers in Iraq to Afghanistan to fight a resurgent Taliban/Al-Qaeda and the price of ammo will basically be unaffected ... by wartime considerations atleast. :neener:

Tommy Gun
November 7, 2008, 08:39 PM
I voted that it was justified.

The guy talks like Bill Clinton. He says that he will "respect your gun rites". Listen to what he says and take a good look at what he has done. Not much 2A respect as far as I can see. Just like Bill Clinton.

Also ask yourself if he will be able to say no the party leaders in Congress whom want to at least reinstate the AWB. They have the votes now to do more then that. He will be hard pressed to say no. We will get some kind of BS line that he will use to rationalize his actions and wiggle out of his promiss. Just like Bill Clinton. I won't take the chance. I'm getting my stuff now......

hotpig
November 7, 2008, 08:42 PM
When they try to pass a new AWB it will not be the watered down Klinton ban. I bet Obama will use the proposed Illinois ban.


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1 AN ACT concerning criminal law.

2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:

4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding
5 Sections 24-1.8 and 24-1.9 as follows:

6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.8. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and
8 purchase of semi-automatic assault weapons, assault weapon
9 attachments, .50 caliber rifles, and .50 caliber cartridges.
10 (a) Definitions. In this Section:
11 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
12 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or
13 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
14 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies
15 Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
16 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries
17 UZI and Galil;
18 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
19 (iv) Colt AR-15;
20 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and
21 FNC;
22 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
23 (vii) Steyr AUG;




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1
2 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22;
3 and
4 (ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition
5 in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited
6 to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
7 (B) a semi-automatic rifle that has an ability to
8 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
9 following:
10 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
11 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
12 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
13 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
14 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
15 the non-trigger hand without being burned; or
16 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
17 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
18 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
19 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
20 following:
21 (i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole
22 stock;
23 (ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially
24 or completely encircles the barrel, and that
25 permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the
26 non-trigger hand without being burned;




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1 (iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
2 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
3 (iv) a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
4 accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
5 (v) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more
6 when the pistol is unloaded; or
7 (vi) a semi-automatic version of an automatic
8 firearm;
9 (D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the
10 following:
11 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
12 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
13 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5
14 rounds; or
15 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable
16 magazine. "Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not
17 include:
18 (A) any firearm that:
19 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever,
20 or slide action;
21 (ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been
22 made permanently inoperable; or
23 (iii) is an antique firearm;
24 (B) any air rifle as defined in Section 1 of the
25 Air Rifle Act.
26 (2) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device




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1 capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically
2 designed for making or converting a firearm into any of the
3 firearms listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this
4 Section.
5 (3) "Antique firearm" has the meaning ascribed to it in
6 18 U.S.C. Section 921 (a)(16).
7 (4) ".50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle
8 capable of firing a .50 caliber cartridge. The term does
9 not include any antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C.
10 Section 921 (a)(16), any shotgun including a shotgun that
11 has a rifle barrel, or a muzzle-loader used for "black
12 powder" hunting or battle re-enactments.
13 (5) ".50 caliber cartridge" means a cartridge in .50
14 BMG caliber, either by designation or actual measurement,
15 that is capable of being fired from a centerfire rifle. The
16 term ".50 caliber cartridge" does not include any
17 memorabilia or display item that is filled with a permanent
18 inert substance or that is otherwise permanently altered in
19 a manner that prevents ready modification for use as live
20 ammunition or shotgun ammunition with a caliber
21 measurement that is equal to or greater than .50 caliber.
22 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), 90 days
23 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th
24 General Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within this
25 State to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell, purchase, or
26 possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered, sold,




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1 purchased, or possessed, a semi-automatic assault weapon, an
2 assault weapon attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50
3 caliber cartridge.
4 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a
5 weapon or attachment prohibited by subsection (b) before the
6 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General
7 Assembly, provided that the person has provided proof of
8 ownership to the Department of State Police within 90 days
9 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th
10 General Assembly as required by law. On or after the effective
11 date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, such
12 person may transfer such weapon or attachment only to an heir,
13 an individual residing in another state maintaining that weapon
14 in another state, or a dealer licensed as a federal firearms
15 dealer under Section 923 of the federal Gun Control Act of
16 1968.
17 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the
18 following:
19 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this
20 Code and retired peace officers not otherwise prohibited
21 from receiving a firearm, in possession of a semi-automatic
22 assault weapon, assault weapon attachment, or .50 caliber
23 rifle transferred to the retired peace officer by his or
24 her law enforcement agency upon retirement.
25 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons,
26 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the




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1 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense.
2 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of
3 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in
4 the performance of their official duties or while traveling
5 to or from their place of duty.
6 (4) Manufacture, transportation, or sale of weapons,
7 attachments, or ammunition to persons authorized under
8 subdivisions (1) through (3) of this subsection to possess
9 those items.
10 (5) Possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon, an
11 assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a .50
12 caliber cartridge at events taking place at the World
13 Shooting and Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while
14 engaged in the legal use of the firearm or attachment, or
15 while traveling to or from this location if the items are
16 broken down in a non-functioning state, or are not
17 immediately accessible, or are unloaded and enclosed in a
18 case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other
19 container.
20 (6) Possession of any firearm if that firearm is
21 sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by
22 USA Shooting, the national governing body for
23 international shooting competition in the United States,
24 but only when the firearm is in the actual possession of an
25 Olympic target shooting competitor or target shooting
26 coach for the purpose of storage, transporting to and from




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1 Olympic target shooting practice or events if the firearm
2 is broken down in a non-functioning state, is not
3 immediately accessible, or is unloaded and enclosed in a
4 case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other
5 container, and when the Olympic target shooting competitor
6 or target shooting coach is engaging in those practices or
7 events. For the purposes of this paragraph (6), "firearm"
8 is defined in Section 1.1 of the Firearm Owners
9 Identification Card Act.
10 (7) Possession of a semi-automatic assault weapon, an
11 assault weapon attachment, a .50 caliber rifle, or a .50
12 caliber cartridge only for a hunting use expressly
13 permitted under the Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or
14 from a location authorized for such hunting use under the
15 Wildlife Code if the items are broken down in a
16 non-functioning state, or are not immediately accessible,
17 or are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying
18 box, shipping box, or other container.
19 (8) Manufacture, transportation, possession, sale, or
20 rental of blank-firing semi-automatic assault weapons and
21 .50 caliber rifles or the weapons respective attachments to
22 persons authorized or permitted, or both authorized and
23 permitted to acquire and possess such weapons for the
24 purposes of rental for use solely as props for a motion
25 picture, television, or video production or entertainment
26 event.




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1 (e) Sentence.
2 (1) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers,
3 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
4 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed a
5 semi-automatic assault weapon in violation of this Section
6 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class
7 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for the
8 possession or delivery of 2 or more of these weapons at the
9 same time.
10 (2) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers,
11 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
12 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in
13 violation of this Section an assault weapon attachment
14 commits a Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class
15 3 felony for a second or subsequent violation.
16 (3) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers,
17 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
18 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in
19 violation of this Section a .50 caliber rifle commits a
20 Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2 felony
21 for a second or subsequent violation or for the possession
22 or delivery of 2 or more of these weapons at the same time.
23 (4) A person who knowingly manufactures, delivers,
24 sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
25 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in
26 violation of this Section a .50 caliber cartridge commits a




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1 Class A misdemeanor.

2 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.9 new)
3 Sec. 24-1.9. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and
4 purchase of large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
5 (a) As used in this Section:
6 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
7 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar
8 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily
9 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of
10 ammunition; or
11 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
12 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.
13 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not
14 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
15 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition
16 or any device that has been made permanently inoperable.
17 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), it is
18 unlawful for any person within this State, beginning 90 days
19 after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 95th
20 General Assembly, to knowingly manufacture, deliver, sell,
21 purchase, or possess or cause to be manufactured, delivered,
22 sold, purchased, or possessed, a large capacity ammunition
23 feeding device.
24 (c) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed a
25 device prohibited by subsection (b) before the effective date




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1 of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, provided
2 that the person has provided proof of ownership to the
3 Department of State Police within 90 days after the effective
4 date of this amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly as
5 required by law. On or after the effective date of this
6 amendatory Act of the 95th General Assembly, such person may
7 transfer such device only to an heir, an individual residing in
8 another state maintaining that device in another state, or a
9 dealer licensed as a federal firearms dealer under Section 923
10 of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968.
11 (d) This Section does not apply to or affect any of the
12 following:
13 (1) Peace officers as defined in Section 2-13 of this
14 Code and retired peace officers not otherwise prohibited
15 from receiving a firearm, in possession of a large capacity
16 ammunition feeding device transferred to the retired peace
17 officer by his or her law enforcement agency upon
18 retirement.
19 (2) Wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons,
20 penitentiaries, jails, and other institutions for the
21 detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense.
22 (3) Members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of
23 the United States or the Illinois National Guard, while in
24 the performance of their official duties or while traveling
25 to or from their place of duty.
26 (4) Manufacture, transportation, or sale of large




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1 capacity ammunition feeding devices to persons authorized
2 under subdivisions (1) through (3) of this subsection to
3 possess those items.
4 (5) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding
5 device at events taking place at the World Shooting and
6 Recreational Complex at Sparta, only while engaged in the
7 legal use of the device, or while traveling to or from this
8 location if the items are broken down in a non-functioning
9 state, or are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded
10 and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box,
11 or other container.
12 (6) Possession of any large capacity ammunition
13 feeding device if that large capacity ammunition feeding
14 device is sanctioned by the International Olympic
15 Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body
16 for international shooting competition in the United
17 States, but only when the large capacity ammunition feeding
18 device is in the actual possession of an Olympic target
19 shooting competitor or target shooting coach for the
20 purpose of storage, transporting to and from Olympic target
21 shooting practice or events if the device is broken down in
22 a non-functioning state, is not immediately accessible, or
23 is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box,
24 shipping box, or other container, and when the Olympic
25 target shooting competitor or target shooting coach is
26 engaging in those practices or events.




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1 (7) Possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding
2 device only for a hunting use expressly permitted under the
3 Wildlife Code, or while traveling to or from a location
4 authorized for such hunting use under the Wildlife Code if
5 the items are broken down in a non-functioning state, or
6 are not immediately accessible, or are unloaded and
7 enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or
8 other container.
9 (e) Sentence. A person who knowingly manufactures,
10 delivers, sells, purchases, or possesses or causes to be
11 manufactured, delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed in
12 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
13 device capable of holding more than 17 rounds of ammunition
14 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2
15 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for possession
16 or delivery of 2 or more of these devices at the same time. A
17 person who knowingly manufactures, delivers, sells, purchases,
18 or possesses or causes to be manufactured, delivered, sold,
19 purchased, or possessed in violation of this Section a large
20 capacity ammunition feeding device capable of holding more than
21 10 rounds but not more than 17 rounds of ammunition commits a
22 Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony for a
23 second or subsequent violation or for possession or delivery of
24 more than one of these devices at the same time.

25 Section 97. Severability. The provisions of this Act are




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1 severable under Section 1.31 of the Statute on Statutes.

2 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
3 becoming law.

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
November 7, 2008, 08:46 PM
I just picked up a basically unfired series 180 mini 14 last night and went to order some mags and ammo so we can shoot when my son visits, all I can say is wow. Mags are sold out all over luckily I got some john masens for a good price and bought 2 to go along with the ones that came with the gun. I'll probably get flamed for this but in my opinion all this crap makes gun owners look like a bunch of radical lunatics. You know that anti groups troll these sights and are reading stuff like (I just ordered another 50 mags for my ar15 or aim surplus sold 10000 mags in the last 2 weeks). I hate obama with a passion and am positive there will be another ban but what the hell are you gonna do with 100 20 round ar mags and 20,000 rounds of ammo. In my opinion take some of that money and give to the NRA like I did so we can fight what we all know is going to happen because right now we are doing exactly what they want us to do. :cuss: rant over:)

XD-40 Shooter
November 7, 2008, 10:30 PM
I've been reloading my 40 S&W ammo like a mo-fo for 3 years now, lol.:D I have about 4400 rounds stocked up, plenty of primers, plenty of powder, and plenty of bullets. I've been buying 7.62x39 for 2 years now, I'm sitting on 2900 rounds, I shoot about 50 rounds/month, so that will last a long time. 22LR, I'm not concerned about future availability of that, so I just buy as I go on that.

If a future AWB gets proposed, I'll end up buying 4 more (12) round magazines for my XD, that'll give me a total of 10 mags.:)

skwab
November 7, 2008, 11:09 PM
You know, I'm having a hard time disagreeing with home depot george. It has made the national news programs that gun owners are freaking out and firearm sales are through the roof. You have to know that the antis are eating this up - they love that we're afraid as hell. While we're in panic mode, running around with our heads cut off buying every spare AR mag we can find, they're probably creating their agenda for the next 4 years. We need to pool our resources to withstand the barage....because the ammo, the primers - they'll run out. And not only would I like to protect my own rights, but the rights of my kids. I personally don't want my Sig to be an antique I can no longer get ammo for. Just a thought.

hobgob
November 8, 2008, 05:29 AM
Agreed! Well put Skwab!

Ignition Override
November 8, 2008, 05:50 AM
Quite true Skwab and 'crew', it is difficult to resist the temptation, however...when a very popular Internet distributor increases x39 prices exactly $50 per 1,000 in about 10 days, count me out.

It is a personal decision to allow unashamed scalping to exploit the shopping panic, among whom are many regular, loyal customers. When all of this 'sinks in' and prices cool off, this might cost them more in the long run. Good will, very competitive prices and top-notch service is worth lots of money. Look at Southwest Airlines.

Why were so many people, somewhere out in Cyberland (or watching the Fox Channel), surprised that Obama was elected? Unless many were out of work or had personal problems until the last few weeks etc, why did they wait until now to buy a chunk?:confused: My wife saw how much I bought from last winter until a week ago and warned me about our other bills. She is right, and I was really hooked. My shopping over about eight months was anticipating gradual price increases, being new to all of this, instead of a full-blown panic. I've only been really interested in rifles for about a year and I'm 53, with my first (and frankly impulsive) gun purchase back in October '07.
Just wish that my son in college were interested in shooting.....

Were there not good signs a few months ago that Obama's 'rock star status' was infectious both in the media and around the world? This ammo situation is baffling. There were no real surprises in the election.
Youth before experience can win even when all else is equal, and factor in the war and the economy plus Bush's history-making unpopularity. What national event happened overnight??:scrutiny:

evan price
November 8, 2008, 06:06 AM
I voted Y2K with this caveat: Anyone who didn't know that something was afoot and didn't start to stock up a little 2+ years ago was living in a cave.

qajaq59
November 8, 2008, 08:11 AM
The politicians are going to be up to their necks in trouble with the economy, so it'll take them a while to get around to us. And unless they are smarter then I think they are, they wont fix the economy, and in 4 years they'll be gone anyway.

Mannlicher
November 8, 2008, 09:20 AM
with President hussein and a congress packed with dhimmicrats, look for a gun ban, ammo ban, AWB, or more likely, all three.

Buy ammo while it is still a legal product.

Don't be blaming retailers for price increases either. We all had years to stock up. Most of us say we support capitalism, and you are seeing diminished supply, in the face of increasing demand.

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