Obama Elected = Record Gun Sales


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XD-40 Shooter
November 8, 2008, 01:29 AM
These articles pretty much say it all. Cheaper Than Dirt did 1 million dollars in business the day after the election!:eek:

http://www.theledger.com/article/20081107/ZNYT02/811073008/-1/ZNYT?Title=On_Concerns_Over_Gun_Control__Gun_Sales_Are_Up


http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10910395

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Gun Slinger
November 8, 2008, 01:47 AM
Perhaps B.O. is a secret "shill" for the firearms industry...:D

inSight-NEO
November 8, 2008, 02:28 AM
Heh..because of all this "Obama" business, I went out and bought my second pistol...behind my wifes back! Now, if she found out, she would probably divorce me (she hates my gun affliction). Personally, I hope that all of this hooplah concerning the new administration is unfounded. It is truly a scary thought if peoples concerns are validated.

Treo
November 8, 2008, 02:39 AM
One of the interesting things in the "Nightline" report to night is one of the gunstore owners said that a significant percentage of the sales that he's making are to Obama supporters that are just as convinced as we are that he's goning to ban guns.

Things that make you go hmmmm?

MAGNUM44
November 8, 2008, 02:57 AM
obamA did not say anything about outlawing Bows & arrows yet did he ? Maby OBAMA knew that the gun owners would start buying guns like crazy and he bought stock in different gun MFG. would't that beat all

CRITGIT
November 8, 2008, 03:00 AM
Could it be you've been manipulated? :D
After all perception is always more effective than reality.
Who do ya think these retailers we're pullin' for?

CRITGIT

ArfinGreebly
November 8, 2008, 03:04 AM
Thy smugness knows no bounds.

Keep the punches above the belt.

Treo
November 8, 2008, 03:28 AM
Could it be you've been manipulated?

I don't think so. Too many sound bites of "The One" stating that he doesn't think private citizens should have guns. Too long Long of an anti voting record.

Why don't you wait two years and let us ask you the same question?

MD_Willington
November 8, 2008, 03:57 AM
I know I've asked this before, but just how much of a gun purchase is tax that goes to the government?

With record gun sales .GOV must be making a lot of dough in firearms sales tax...

CRITGIT
November 8, 2008, 04:52 AM
Win lose or draw he has yet to have an exec. track record. Most of the action is based on perception. Where's the concern for the branch of gov. that actually makes laws. I watched dealer friends of mine make serious money over little more than perception, fear and "what if's". We're better than that.
Someone other than me said it best a few days ago. ..."Last I looked the sky hadn't fallen."
I've never understood the mass capitulation that this election prompted.
Many folks gave up months ago. Hopefully if there ever is a real attack on our guns it'll be met with more conviction and resistance than that.
The truth is, not everyone, many gunners included sees Tue's events as the end of mankind as some have stated. Actually just the opposite seems to be the case.
I have more faith in my fellow Americans than some perhaps.
There's a lot of restoration work ahead of us all to bring this country back.
I'm not sure the full weight of this econ and other concerns has fully sunk in with some. This is life and death for many Americans,. They're in the fight of their lives....we all may be.


CRITGIT

barry960
November 8, 2008, 05:28 AM
I bought my AK Wednesday because I have been meaning to get one for several years now, but things kept coming up to make me decide to hold onto my money. I thought about how I would feel if I kept putting it off until some despotic legislation really was on the table, and they really jacked up the prices, and how I would be kicking myself then. I think I got a fair deal, the price wasn't jacked up since browsing a couple weeks before.
I don't see any gun dealers rooting for Obama or any anti on the ticket because of possible short term profit gain, because in the long run, they might face being put out of business entirely through a sneaky back door idea called zoning. Imagine a restriction on gun stores within a 5 mile radius of any school or urban center, as has been suggested by the creepiest of the grabbers. It is estimated that would put most shops out of business, considering most businesses wouldn't find it cost effective to relocate outside the 'zones'.

Blacksmoke
November 8, 2008, 07:05 AM
See! The Obama Miracle is already good for business.:eek:
Perhaps many people took David Alan Grier's suggestion about Black people "running Buck wild" seriously. I seriously doubt that he is going to initiate much about firearms control unless there is another big massacre incident and the media stirs the public up for him to do something. Something being a ban on high capacity magazines for semiautos, long and short.

Thin Black Line
November 8, 2008, 07:24 AM
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1286786.html


Specter of gun regulation prompts sales

Democratic power brings fear of assault rifle ban

Jay Price, Staff Writer


Barack Obama said he would improve the economy. Turns out he already has, at least in one retail niche: gun sales.

Starting in the days before the election, gun shops across the state have been mobbed by buyers who fear that Obama and a larger Democratic majority in Congress will restrict firearm sales.

Many were stocking up on things such as assault rifles, high-capacity magazines and handguns that they think would be the most likely targets of new laws, though practically everything related to shooting has been selling more quickly.

"It's been an absolute madhouse," said Trey Pugh, a manager at Jim's Pawn Shop in Fayetteville, which is selling 15 to 20 AR-15 assault rifles a day. "I'm getting guys come in and say I always wanted that gun, and give me that one too and that one and, oh, I need a gun safe, too."

Distributors are running out of assault rifles, he said, and prices are rising.

On the stump, Obama didn't discuss sweeping changes to gun laws. But his stance that local authorities should be able to make "sensible" laws has worried some, as has the fact that many Democrats in Congress favor additional restrictions. The NRA, among others, stoked these fears during the election.

Many purchases appear to be panic buying, Pugh said, because the government could not pass new gun laws before next year. Between the election, fears that the sour economy will spur more crime, hunting season and Christmas sales, the next couple of months will likely be wild for firearms dealers, he said.

"Everybody, and I mean everybody, is buying guns right now," Pugh said.

Stores in the Triangle, such as Young Guns in Apex and Perry's Gun Shop in Wendell, reported hectic sales and lines at cash registers.

"It's been tremendous," said Barry Perry of Perry's Gun Shop. "We have so many customers that parking has been a problem."

Online gun and shooting supply shops say sales in recent weeks climbed along with Obama's poll numbers.

At Villagetactical.com in Oklahoma City, which concentrates mainly on gun parts, sales have doubled since summer, said owner Andy Glunt.

"Some of them have said that they think if they don't buy it now, they won't be able to later," he said.

Fears of more regulation were fueled by an NRA campaign that said Obama would crack down on guns. That notion was amplified in gun forums such as glocktalk.com and AR15.com, where swarms of posters talked of having bought "Obama guns" or detailed election-related gun and ammo purchases. Some even speculated on things such as how a firearms confiscation plan would work.

New laws uncertain

It's hard to gauge the likelihood of new laws. Obama has said that local jurisdictions should be able to impose regulations on guns to reduce crime on city streets. At the same time, he said owning guns, including handguns, is an American tradition and should remain legal.

Obama, who taught constitutional law, has said that he believes gun ownership is an individual right.

It's also unclear whether a serious push for regulation is likely from Congress. The number of Democrats there who support gun rights has been increasing. Also, the party fell short Tuesday of winning a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, leaving Republicans leverage against laws they don't like.

Still, many gun owners fear that Obama will cave in to demands from members of his party who harbor extreme anti-gun views, said Wayne LaPierre, vice-president of the National Rifle Association.

Obama campaigned as a supporter of gun rights, but the media never pinned him down completely on contradictions in his record, LaPierre said.

"The reason gun sales are rising is that gun owners and Second Amendment enthusiasts are justifiably suspicious," he said.
A Clinton-era ban on some semi-automatic assault weapons and parts such as high-capacity, military-style magazines was a political disaster for the Democrats, said LaPierre. The party would pay an even higher political toll if Obama broke the implicit promises he made to gun owners during the campaign.

Alan Chapman, an IT professional who lives in Durham, bought a rifle similar to the AK-47 and a semi-automatic handgun in recent weeks because he expects tighter laws and higher prices. A neighbor bought a handgun for the same reason, he said.

"I just wish I could afford more," Chapman said. "Prices are going to go up after the election just based on fear."

He thinks the Democrats could attack concealed carry permits, but that the most likely change is a new assault weapons ban.

Overblown?

Longtime handgun owner Bob Nitchke of Mooresville, who posts on glocktalk.com, isn't thrilled with the possibility of more regulation. But he thinks the panic over Obama is out of proportion to any threat.

"I don't think anything is going to happen, particularly in the first couple of years," he said. "I just don't think it's a priority right now, because they've got bigger things to deal with, like the economy."

Anything that's more extreme than the assault weapons ban, such as a bill to stop handgun sales, would be a political disaster, and just seems unlikely.

"What I do know is that gun stores are making a lot of money," he said.

Glunt, the owner of the online shop, said he wasn't completely happy about that windfall.

"I'd rather have business a little slower and not have a threat to our Second Amendment," he said.

Thin Black Line
November 8, 2008, 07:26 AM
BTW, I spoke to one of our local shooting range owners and although this
is just before hunting season when people typically site in their weapons,
he said the last three days were the busiest he's ever seen.

John-Melb
November 8, 2008, 08:10 AM
found elswhere
-----------------------------

http://change.gov/agenda/urbanpolicy/


"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would
repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local
law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and
give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve
gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also
favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights
of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from
criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun
show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also
support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent,
as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our
streets."

hso
November 8, 2008, 08:50 AM
Your local papers will be waking up to this phenomenon this weekend, so make sure that you contact the TV and Radio and Paper to remind them that the change.gov site has the above AWB "support" and that this stated support for a permanent AWB is exactly why people that never owned a gun in their lives are flocking to gun shops to purchase an AR.

Emphasis that an "Assault Weapon" is a made up term for a simple semiauto rifle that only looks like the guns seen in news footage from Iraq and that they are not, NOT, machine guns.

Let's see if we can make this "frenzy" work to spread the truth.

Walkalong
November 8, 2008, 10:49 AM
Good advise hso.

Same thing happened with Clinton, sales went up, especially AK's and SKS's. Prices went up, and never came down. :(

Limeyfellow
November 8, 2008, 11:13 AM
Obama does like to give mixed messages on gun control doesn't he?

Heis kind of like Ronald Reagan that way, though I guess Obama doesn't come with the history of actually doing anything to implement bans and did say he supported the last supreme court ruling that firearm ownership is an individual right.

Either way its quite crazy to think it is an issue that is going to come up and see a reintroduction of the AWB. There simply is no where near the support of it anymore and they can't call in the former Presidents from both parties and so on to support it to force it through anymore.

caseypj
November 8, 2008, 11:16 AM
Limeyfellow, I hope you're right, but I'll plan for the worst.

Gun Slinger
November 8, 2008, 11:38 AM
One of the interesting things in the "Nightline" report to night is one of the gunstore owners said that a significant percentage of the sales that he's making are to Obama supporters that are just as convinced as we are that he's going to ban guns.

Things that make you go hmmmm?


That's almost hysterically funnny until you remember that this involves our 2A Right (as confirmed via the Heller v. D.C. case).



What a conflicted lot, :banghead: these supporters of B.O. :banghead: who now find themselves rushing about (to buy the firearms that he will almost certainly attempt to ban) in order to counteract the potential result of what they themselves have chosen. :banghead:


My head hurts now...:scrutiny:

M&PVolk
November 8, 2008, 11:47 AM
In Southern Colorado, there is not a single AR-15 or AR-10 rifle for sale, and all local gun shops are declaring that they don't know when or IF they will get anymore as priority will go to large chain stores first.

One thing is for certain, they will never be this cheap again...if and when the next shipments arrive, our local shop owners are discussing a minimum of a $400 price raise to DOUBLE what the prices were prior to the election.

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 11:49 AM
What a conflicted lot, these supporters of B.O. who now find themselves rushing out to buy the firearms that he will almost certainly attempt to ban in order to counteract the potential result of what they themselves have chosen.


I think most of the people who voted for BHO did it because of the economy. They didn't like government socializing the banks ETC and useing socialism to bail out wallstreet. So they voted in a socialist to straighten things out.:banghead::scrutiny::banghead::banghead:

Like another fellow said, it has to be like waking up from a drunk night and asking "what did I do".

Gun sales will go crazy for a long time. First people will buy thinking "get it now while I still can" then they will sell thinking "OMG the government is going to come after me for owning this". Ammo is the only real problem, BHO will stop the imports soon.

jj

Gun Slinger
November 8, 2008, 11:54 AM
Jim,

Perfect analogy. :)

Like another fellow said, it has to be like waking up from a drunk night and asking "what did I do".

The_Shootist
November 8, 2008, 12:14 PM
...if we WILL see an executive order banning import of Ruskie AK ammo? An act like that would infuriate gunowners and likely not please the Russians who probably view the US market as maybe as lucrative as sales of ammo to their client states.

At least the Russians know they will get paid when they ship ammo to the US. Bet the Chinese wish they could cash in.

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 12:19 PM
I believe the Russians allready quit sending us ammo. It now comes from their old satalite countries, I think. Seems I read this when the Russians invaded Georgia or somewhere.

jj

wacki
November 8, 2008, 12:49 PM
Could it be you've been manipulated?
After all perception is always more effective than reality.
Who do ya think these retailers we're pullin' for?

CRITGIT

People like you, and many other who are ignorant of history, really get on my nerves.

Read the links in my signature. I wouldn't think a second about betting someone like you $1000 or more on the outcome of Obama's supreme court nominations and how they treat the second amendment.

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 02:18 PM
Jim,

Perfect analogy.

People are not going to believe the hangover from this one.

jj

Blacksmoke
November 8, 2008, 02:29 PM
If the prices now really go up I may just sell my Garand, Ruger Mini-14 and M4 Benelli shotgun. I will keep my '97 Winchester riot gun as it was the first gun I purchased upon turning 18 and is sentimental for me.

Just Jim
November 8, 2008, 02:33 PM
If the prices now really go up I may just sell my Garand, Ruger Mini-14 and M4 Benelli shotgun. I will keep my '97 Winchester riot gun as it was the first gun I purchased upon turning 18 and is sentimental for me.

Might be a good idea till they make money worthless. Then you got no guns and no money. The real change is comming.

jj

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 8, 2008, 02:47 PM
Thank you, hso! :)

Kind of Blued
November 8, 2008, 02:51 PM
I just got back from the gun shop...

YIKES!

Old fella who had no idea how an AR-15 worked:

"That one's in .308? Shoot. I love that caliber. Lemme have that one too." :D

Shung
November 8, 2008, 03:16 PM
Tonight, on french TV new, there were interviews of gunshops owners talking about many customers buying a lot of guns right now, fearing future bans.. including republican voters, AND democrats...

and the stupid journalist to add this comment...

"though, Obama, in his campaign clearly stated that he was not against the RKBA, and only want to ban "assault" weapons, and prevent children and felons to get acess to firearms.." (while showing images of various semi auto AR's, 16 and 20 inchers)

Not very high road... but this journalist clearly as NO idea of what assault weapons are...

Here in Europe they still see Obama as the Messia... The wake up (some already know that Obama is a pain in the ..... economically speaking for europe... see the Tanker contract won by Airbus and now jeopardized..) will be painfull for those dreamers..

bigcim
November 8, 2008, 05:33 PM
I went to a local gun shop on a Wednesday and could not believe there was a line to buy a firearm. My father told an employee you guys are a lot busier than normal. The employee giggled and said ya I wonder why

General Geoff
November 8, 2008, 05:36 PM
I just got back from the gun shop...

YIKES!

Old fella who had no idea how an AR-15 worked:

"That one's in .308? Shoot. I love that caliber. Lemme have that one too."

That story gives me a big smile. :)

RPCVYemen
November 8, 2008, 06:21 PM
Could it be you've been manipulated?

Good call. Panic buying is an old phenomenon. The good news for consumers (and bad bews for the gun stores) is that two years from now, when no AWB has happened or is on the horizon - because the Democrats want to maintain control of Congress - there will be a lot of AR-15s for sale very, very cheap.

I wouldn't think a second about betting someone like you $1000 or more on the outcome of Obama's supreme court nominations ...

You're willing to be the Obama is going to replace Justice Ginsberg with anti-RKBA judge? Golly, stop the presses - that's earth shaking news. I hope he doesn't get to replace Souter - that will really change the RKBA balance of the courts. Oops! They were both in the minority on Heller. :)

Buy like the dickens - drive them prices up. If you drive them up high enough, the inevotable price crash that follows panic buying will be dramatic enought that I can afford to pick up a nice AR 15 in 2 years. Buy, buy, buy. Sell your car, your house, your wife and kids - buy, buy, buy! I want to see every one of your buy two or three! And hundreds of magazines - I will need to pick up some of them real cheap in a couple of years, too. :)

Mike

ridata
November 8, 2008, 06:50 PM
If you drive them up high enough, the inevotable price crash that follows panic buying will be dramatic enought that I can afford to pick up a nice AR 15 in 2 years.

Well, that's your bet. Or it just might be that they will turn into what FA's turned into after the no new manufacture law. Either way, a 1k investment on an AR that loses half its value in 2 years.. isn't going to kill anyone. I'm going to be putting twice that in ammo into it, so it won't be a big consideration.

mgregg85
November 8, 2008, 06:52 PM
All the news coverage I've seen so far has held the same tagline 'despite the fact that president elect obama says he supports the second amendment.' yeah right...

One gun store owner was even talking about people coming in wearing obama tshirts and buttons and still buying guns, I guess even his own supporters aren't suffering under the delusion that 'obama supports the second amendment'.:barf:

I can't imagine my reaction to such people coming into buy a gun if I was the owner of that store.:fire::banghead::cuss:

Hk91-762mm
November 8, 2008, 07:21 PM
Buy like the dickens - drive them prices up. If you drive them up high enough, the inevotable price crash that follows panic buying will be dramatic enought that I can afford to pick up a nice AR 15 in 2 years. Buy, buy, buy. Sell your car, your house, your wife and kids - buy, buy, buy! I want to see every one of your buy two or three! And hundreds of magazines - I will need to pick up some of them real cheap in a couple of years, too..




I bought hundreds of guns during the klinton ban era --I have never sold one for less than I paid for it !
During the Lull between 2004 and now I bought bunches of HK-91 mags for like $1.75 ea Ill donate them to the revolution if it comes to that But Im not selling them..

Cover Dog
November 8, 2008, 08:41 PM
I heard at a local gun show this morning the Elliott Bros. did 3.5 million in sales this week.

Beagle-zebub
November 8, 2008, 08:48 PM
The good news for consumers (and bad bews for the gun stores) is that two years from now, when no AWB has happened or is on the horizon - because the Democrats want to maintain control of Congress - there will be a lot of AR-15s for sale very, very cheap.

If the Democratic party were more concerned with keeping power than with indulging their dogma, they'd have been the dominant party for the previous several decades. Being in the capital of the Obama lovefest, what is the dialogue I've heard concerning his victory? Not that the Republicans handed them a victory through their massive incompetence, but rather that the American public wised up and voted for the plank that the Democratic party has stuck to with all the zeal of a revivalist preacher. They think they've been completely right all along, and that America finally came around.

cornman
November 8, 2008, 08:54 PM
Sadly the dupes who listen to the NRA propaganda will never blaim the NRA and gun industry for using fear to make money. What will you think when nothing happens?

Blacksmoke
November 8, 2008, 10:59 PM
Might be a good idea till they make money worthless. Then you got no guns and no money. The real change is comming.
-justjim

I could send the money into the banks I am in debt with. They would appreciate it. You are right that commodities are more valuable for barter.

As for no guns, eh, I got a heap more about thirty handguns and a bunch more rifles and shotguns. Besides I just might buy one of them Ohio Ordinance Model 1981A3 SLRs which I admire and drool over. They are $3,800 but what the heel if the money is going ot be useless might as well exchange it for something useful like a semi-auto BAR complete with bipod and carrying handle.

jhansman
November 8, 2008, 11:08 PM
What will you think when nothing happens?

Umm, all the chicken littles will deny they ever overreacted? Paranoia is its own reward....

M&PVolk
November 8, 2008, 11:47 PM
The NRA has nothing to do with the sudden increase in gun sales...President Elect Hussein does. I too, would call this paranoia if not for the facts surrounding the issue:

1. This gun ban has happened before. The Clinton gun ban removed the ability of law abiding citizens to own military styled rifles. That is historical precedent.

2. The author of that gun ban is now Vice President elect

3. The President elect was a devoted member of the Joyce Foundation. Look it up...they are more radical than the Brady bunch.

4. This ticket was supported by the Joyce Foundation and the Brady group.

5. President elect Hussein has voted FOR every gun, ammo and anti-second amendment piece of legislation to ever cross his desk.

6. Obama actually defined what he thinks of Joe gun owner on the campaign trail...you are bitterly clinging to your guns and religion. He has already mitigated your relevance as citizens, and he won in a landslide. The loss of democrat control following the Clinton gun ban is long forgotten.

7. The leaders in the House and Senate are now able to fully rubber stamp any democrat based legislation.

8. Joe Biden has openly stated that he wants a new AWB with teeth. ALL semi-auto's are on his list.

9. Obama supported Washington D.C.'s gun ban and said it was constitutional. Denying access to firearms for the average citizen is common sense to him.

BHO's election is historic in many respects...his approach to "sensible" gun laws will be part of it. If buying up AR's turns out to be reactionary, so be it. At least we will own and have enjoyed them. If BHO follows through on even a small portion of how he has behaved in the past, the paranoid are going to look like geniuses in a hurry.

Big Daddy Grim
November 8, 2008, 11:49 PM
Well at least we can say he did one thing for guns:uhoh:

RPCVYemen
November 9, 2008, 12:10 AM
1. This gun ban has happened before. The Clinton gun ban removed the ability of law abiding citizens to own military styled rifles. That is historical precedent.

Maybe you forgot the 1984 revolution - but Howard Dean and the Democrats didn't. Howard Dean helped re-take control of the Senate by running pro-gun Democrats. The Dems want to maintain control of Congress more than they want gun control. Why is that so hard for folks to understand?

Mike

The_Shootist
November 9, 2008, 12:13 AM
This guy - this streetfighter - Rahm Emanuel Husein just made chief of staff made an interesting comment to the Wall Street Journal in an interview in that the only way the Democrats hold on to their gains is to " do things they said they would do if elected". Namely , if they DIDN't say they would go the AWB ban route in the election then they they won't.

He's a hardball realist, who would probably allow something to move forward that has no chance of passing to placate the loony left of the Democratic party. Then simply shrug and spin it as "oh well...".

He's also a realist, it seems. He lived/worked through the early heady 2 years of the Clinton Admin in the Whitehouse, only to see the Republicans capture both houses, likely mainly because of how gun owners were so riled up over the AWB.

Now, seeing the power of the Internet to disseminate info and bring like minded individuals together in protest (as opposed to the AWB of the '90's)
I suspect prodding the hornets nest of gunowners ranks pretty low on his priorities as chief of staff. Especially with the economy tanking, 2 wars ongoing etc. Especially with a Supreme court ruling that recently reinforced our 2a rights.

Don't get me wrong - being a product of the Chicago left-wing liberal establishment, he's not our friend. But I think he has done the math and sees in the cost/benefit analysis of further 2A infringments more "cost" than "benefit" .

Of course I could be completely wrong and we STLL might have to fall back behind the Mason-Dixon line and raise the 'Stars and Bars's' in the near future....:evil:

rbernie
November 9, 2008, 12:14 AM
Maybe you forgot the 1984 revolution - but Howard Dean and the Democrats didn't. Howard Dean helped re-take control of the Senate by running pro-gun Democrats. The Dems want to maintain control of Congress more than they want gun control. Why is that so hard for folks to understand?
Because in 2007, BHO is alleged to have told a VPC fundraiser that he'd reinstate a Federal AWB within ninety (90) days of taking office. Look it up, instead of pretending that it isn't real.

He may not be ABLE to pull off such a feat, but he reportedly made that promise and he surely has expressed that interest.

M&PVolk
November 9, 2008, 12:20 AM
Really???

Where is this group of pro-gun dems? The most liberal and radical arm of the party has taken over the core group...and it's a militant arm! Obama, Biden, and now Rom Emmanuel as proposed chief of staff? Hillary was more radical in her campaign than anything going on when her husband was president, and she couldn't even take the nomination.

This is a democrat party who thinks the entire world is on their side and agreeing with their every suggestion. The revolt in the 80's might as well be ancient history.

wep45
November 9, 2008, 12:56 AM
looks like the big O has already made a positive effect on the economy:D

buy what you need, buy what you dont need:neener:

MD_Willington
November 9, 2008, 01:29 AM
Have any of you considered that the Obama supporters arming up are doing so in case they "get the call" to help rid the "Changed" country of now unwanted elements? this is a legit question.

History has seen this before...

CRITGIT
November 9, 2008, 01:31 AM
People like you, and many other who are ignorant of history, really get on my nerves

It appears you've driven off the high road!:uhoh:

BTW, nice handle!:D

CRITGIT

guntotinguy
November 9, 2008, 01:46 AM
Just think the kind of message we will be sending to the new elected administration with the new stimulus checks that they say will be issued soon.

America's voice should be heard...

hso
November 9, 2008, 01:58 AM
Ok, remember where you are. If this doesn't crawl back up on the high road it's going to end up locked in the swamp.

Prince Yamato
November 9, 2008, 02:10 AM
I didn't even really believe the newspaper articles until I went into the local shop today and it was cleaned out of everything except hunting rifles and revolvers. And I'm not exaggerating. It really was cleaned out. In one respect it's makes me take pride in the fact that 2A really is important to Americans. On the other hand, it makes me think, "what does it say about the president-elect, that the first thing Americans do after his political win, is buy hordes of guns?" That's kind of a scary thought. Never-the-less, that is the reason the founders intended for us to have weapons; to keep us safe at night from tyranny.

Fleetwood_Captain
November 9, 2008, 02:13 AM
The way I see things, buying up large amounts of MAGAZINES is the smart move right now.

Under the Clinton gun ban, you could still pick up new AR-15's, albeit without bayonet lugs and telescoping stocks. However, finding magazines with a capacity greater than ten rounds proved to be tricky.

Odds are that manufacturers are producing as many magazines as they can, as they were the components most affected by the law.

yenchisks
November 9, 2008, 02:24 AM
(wap bap a boom boom tooty fruity a bap bam boom).Now lets all throw are hands in the air and sceam the sky is falling

Yozho
November 9, 2008, 04:21 AM
Oh, he'll reintroduce it alright.

Obama believes his own BS. And he really does believe he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. Hence, the AWB is certain to come back. I believe it will be one of the first things he does when he takes control. For the children and in the name of "common sense" gun control.

Additionally, he *will* go after the ammo. Democrats may not be "stupid" but they also know which wing of the Party put them in power. Kennedy has introduced a bill, I believe every year, to ban ammunition. It provides great cover for the Democrats towards their ultimate goal of banning guns from the masses and in their minds satisfies "Heller". So both hicaps and at a minimum milsurp, will be toast.

I'm also certain the other first things he'll do is to ban offshore drilling, institute a Fed gas tax of $.50 - $1.00 a gallon and reintroduce the 55mph national speed limit. For conservation of course.

TG13
November 9, 2008, 06:39 AM
political rhetoric aside..

i don't think another AWB will be passed..

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 07:06 AM
Mike,you must mean the 1994 revolution.
And I agree, because of '94 and the resulting 10 years of GOP control I see no Son of AWB on the horizon.
Maintaining control means everything.And they're not going to blow it on the gun issues.Not now.
That boiling frog needs a LOT more time to simmer.

As a democrat (yes, i said it - don't shoot), this is a lot closer to reality than a lot of people would have you believe.
Gun laws are a losing battle for us. We pass a gun law - kiss any power or influence we have in Washington goodbye. We know this, you know this, the whole world knows this. Doesn't even touch the fact that the '94 legislation took years and years and years to get pushed through, help remove democrats the congress, and by and large wasn't nearly as effective as some of the far left loonies would have people believe. Many of us never supported it the first time around, and even less would support it this time.
Gun laws are so far down on the list of priorities, it's been virtually abandoned from the party platform. I mean, we run pro-gun candidates in many districts now. It's just not a can of worms any of us want to open. Certainly not given the number of other issues on the table, of which anti-gun legislation would simply distract from. You still get a few people here and there that will introduce legislation from time to time - but, where does it go?

M&PVolk
November 9, 2008, 10:33 AM
Wow...such confidence in your party failing to follow through with their own platform planks. I hope you are right, but I doubt it. Democrats are riding so high on the "anybody but Bush" mandate, that I think they believe now is the time to pass the most radical legislation they have in their arsenal. I guarantee a new AWB is coming, and the AR-15 in civilian hands will be a thing of the past.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 10:37 AM
M&P
If we were going to take up a new AWB - it would be 6257 - which was introduced by Republicans back in June I believe it was. We're not, because it's not worth the fight.
If we spend all our time fighting over gun bans, that's time we can't be fighting about redistribution of wealth, and the second coming of uncle Karl (marx). :)

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 10:41 AM
One other simple way I know gun bans aren't coming for a long time - bare minimum 2 years before anybody even thinks about it.

Harry Reid is from Nevada (as am I). Harry Reid is running the senate. Nevada is probably about as pro-gun a state as there is in this country. If Mr Reid wants to not get lynched upon arriving back to Nevada, gun laws are the last thing he will come close to.
We've already made our distaste for the senator from Nevada known, and he knows he's already on extremely thin ice back here. He even considers anything like this - and he's done.

As goes Harry, so goes Nancy.

rbernie
November 9, 2008, 10:45 AM
The prudent man hopes for the best, but prepares for the worst.

Sounds like a lot of people are preparin'. I can live with that.

Just Jim
November 9, 2008, 11:50 AM
Both parties have a history of going against those who oppose them. The NRA has been a thorn in the side of democrats for many years and the unions have been the same for repubs. Why? Because they use money and power to influence elections.

The parties will always go after those who have money and power to take it away from them. To control the guns is to take the power of the NRA away is their foolish thoughts but people have learned to fear this and are putting money where their mouth is.

Because the socialist use incrementalism they will work in gerrymandering to get the most socialist able to vote and make gun laws that cover those able to vote.

Look at America and her freedoms years ago and how the socialist have prepared us by PC for today.

jj

RPCVYemen
November 9, 2008, 02:49 PM
Mike,you must mean the 1994 revolution.

Oops - you are right. Sorry about the typo.

We pass a gun law - kiss any power or influence we have in Washington goodbye.

It's is certainly odd how every Democrat who posts to this board seems to know this ...

The NRA has been a thorn in the side of Democrats ...

Actually - to give the NRA credit - they did support pro-gun Democrats in the last mid-term election.

However, I am concerned about their power to influence the president elect, given the scurrilous attacks they made on him - most of which were untrue - as checked by FactCheck.org.

My guess is that AHSA will have the new administration's ear when it comes to any kind of gun legislation. But that's the way American politics work - to the victor go the spoils.

There is a difference between endorsing a candidate, and firing up a mendacious attack campaign on his opponent.

The NRA-ILA wanted to rouse the membership - to fill their own coffers, and decided that was more important than political influence in the near future. Who knows? Maybe they were under the delusion that they would somehow call out cavalry and rush in and save the day for McCain, and he would forever be indebted to them.

They could have accepted Obama's policy statements at face value, and explained that they still endorsed McCain, and I don't think it would have cost them.

But they calculated that a vitriolic campaign that impugned Obama's honesty was better strategy, and that it might save the election for John McCain. Oops - they were very wrong. And the penalty for being that wrong in American politics is a loss of influence, as long as the candidate you derided is in power.

The strange thing is that their miss-calculation snatched defeat from the jaws of victory! They had won. The Democrats were saying, "Whatever we might want to do, more restrictive gun control legislation not no politically possible". That is in itself a huge win for the NRA (and the RKBA). An endorsement of McCain, with the note that both candidates accepted the the RKBA as was in the Constitution would have been a great response. Unfortunately, they bet everything on the wrong horse. They let their Republican controllers lead them to a massive defeat.

So I don't expect any AWB to pass Congress, but I also don't expect the NRA to be invited to dinner at the White House any time soon. :)

So I joined the AHSA. Now I am a member of the NRA, the ACLU and the AHSA.

Mike

RPCVYemen
November 9, 2008, 02:51 PM
You still get a few people here and there that will introduce legislation from time to time - but, where does it go?

Yep - people will introduce all kinds of bills. My bet is that a repeat of the AWB never makes it out of committee.

Mike

Just Jim
November 9, 2008, 03:00 PM
What you guys haven't factored in is the economy. The last depression brought out some of our most notorius thugs and the 1934 gun control act to make buying a machingun difficult. Suppose they start taxing your rights and driving up prices so you can't afford your rights, what then???

jj

Gun Slinger
November 9, 2008, 03:42 PM
i don't think another AWB will be passed..

TG13,

Here's hoping that you are right. :)

heavyshooter
November 9, 2008, 05:29 PM
It's getting crazy. I was in the Green Mountain Guns (Lakewood, Colorado) to pick up another Ruger:D and I had to leave my gun in the store because there was an 8 hour wait on my background check!!! According to the guys in the store there were almost 600 people ahead of me in the State of Colorado alone!!! I just filled the form out and I will pick it up on Monday.

They are running dry. They can't keep the "evil guns" in the store. Anything with an ominous tactical bent is selling out. If it has a clip that holds more then 9 rounds it is selling like hotcakes. I was aware because of reading about it here but it was something to see it for myself. I better pick up my evil gun ASAP.:rolleyes:

Pilot
November 9, 2008, 05:53 PM
And I agree, because of '94 and the resulting 10 years of GOP control I see no Son of AWB on the horizon.


Oh really? There's one sitting in the House right now and guess who is sponsoring it? REPUBLICANS. :fire:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-6257

Just Jim
November 9, 2008, 07:10 PM
Jim,with all due respect ,I think Prohibition for 13 years(1920-1933) ,with thousands of thug's spraying machine fire all over America(not just Chicago!)battling over booze turf
had much more to do with the passage of the NFA in 1934 than the Depression and the coming of FDR's New Deal Socialism.

So you think this depression with all the hate and bitterness won't cause enough violence that new gun laws are made??? You think that just because the booze trade is gone that the mexican drug trade has dissapeared?? Look around a bit on Lou Dobbs about the drug trade and how the violence is moving our way.

When the economy gets bad enough alot of people are going to do bad things. Thus a reason to steal our guns.

jj

Just Jim
November 10, 2008, 01:07 AM
I don't know if Pilot and Jim are betting men but I'm going on record as saying there will no new AWB or any new stringent gun laws anytime in the foreseeable future.It's too politically incendiary for the Donkey's.1994 revisited.No way.
Course I've been wrong before but a bottle of Johnny Walkers finest goes to you both if I'm not right

Let me think about a better payment if either of us is wrong but the bet has to cover taxation of ammo too. Why? because I don't drink Walkers. I do have an idea though but I need to check on things for a day or two just to make sure the bet can be carried out. LOL

Then we both list the bet and the payment for losing. It won't even cost as much as Walkers:D:D What say you??

jj

Just Jim
November 10, 2008, 11:17 PM
How about, the last gun wars we had was when the Clintons went into Waco and killed over 80 men women and childeren. The war escalated to a bombing in Oaklahoma City which killed scores more of innocent people.

If Obama does go after the guns it will be state by state with his support. So if any state has any new controls added then you have to call a florist in Oaklahoma City and send flowers out to the memorial for all the innocent people who died in the last war to steal our guns.

Nothing fancy for flowers but a note attached with your sentiment added.

This bet goes to the end of his presidency.

jj

RPCVYemen
November 10, 2008, 11:26 PM
The war escalated to a bombing in Oaklahoma City which killed scores more of innocent people.

So Tim McVeigh had no responsibility at all? It was just a war that escalated out of control, and all those kids in the day care center were collateral damage?

Good call - you've convinced me.

Mike

rbernie
November 10, 2008, 11:36 PM
So Tim McVeigh had no responsibility at all? It was just a war that escalated out of control, and all those kids in the day care center were collateral damage?
Of course that's not what was said. What was stated, pehaps with less clarity than needed, was that the last time that the US Government declared a quiet war upon the gun culture, we got Waco. And all that Waco accomplished, other than cost millions of dollars and incinerate a bunch of folk, was to serve as a cause celebre for folk like Tim McVeigh to do yet more unthinkable things.

The point is that when you push folk around, you have to expect that the more extreme will react violently. And in the end, the profit associated with that 'war' is little to nil.

Government sponsored 'wars' on domestic issues have never turned out well, whether it was the War On Poverty that gave us the modern culture of entitlement, or the War On Drugs that gave us the glory that is the no-knock 'dynamic entry' and which has claimed a fair bit of our civil liberties in the process, or the War On Terrorism that has given us the grossly misnamed Patriot Act.

XD-40 Shooter
November 10, 2008, 11:42 PM
From what I'm hearing from my co-workers, who have been to several of the gun shops here in Colorado Springs, Specialty Sports and Sportsmans Warehouse among them, they are running really low on stock, the rifle racks are very thin. Dragon man arms out here sold 37 AR's in 2 days!.:D Sportsmans Warehouse here is pretty much down to what they have on display.:eek: Prices have increased also. I'm glad I pretty much have what I want or need, now is not a good time to be in the market.

I've got my eye on a kel-tec PLR-16 come January, if I can find one.

LOL at the fact that Obama has caused more guns sales in two weeks, then most gun shops see in 2 months.

hso
November 10, 2008, 11:45 PM
This one took a weird and ugly turn.

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