So is the price of firearms and ammos really gonna sky rocket?


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aimbotter
November 8, 2008, 01:34 AM
anyone? someone.. please confirm.. i just went out and bought like 300 rounds of 17 hmr and .40 SW.. lol!

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kostarae
November 8, 2008, 01:51 AM
I'm stocking up on ammo and buying a few more guns (ar15's and high cap handguns/magazines)

I think AR's will be banned, but not for at least another 2 years IMO. They will also try to ban high-cap mags (above 10)

This is the most liberal government we have had in awhile. They will pass these laws pretty easily IMO. Just a matter of when they get to it on their long list of "Things to Do"

aimbotter
November 8, 2008, 02:19 AM
man.. i need to buy my AR real quick then.... i also read it somewhere that obama will try to pass a law that will persecute people who use guns as a defensive weapon at home.. ***?

kostarae
November 8, 2008, 02:26 AM
Well...

Obama claims he's for STATES being able to decide most gun laws. I think they will leave the 'Castle Doctrine' that has been put into place in many states which was started by Florida and spread to many others (Depends where you live)

This law states you are able to use deadly force to protect yourself and your home. You will need to find out your state laws though.

I am confident the new administration will ban assault weapons, that's why I bought a new AR today.

We still have time before this happens...but there's nothing wrong with being prepared.

jhansman
November 8, 2008, 02:33 AM
I think Obama is realistic enough to know he's got much bigger fish to fry right now. Another ban may come across his desk, but not for some time. I am far more worried about my congress types using gun issues to get people frightened and riled up.

MD_Willington
November 8, 2008, 03:05 AM
If they want to keep an almost filibuster proof position then playing with a ban is a bad idea...

It will probably go down, get our ducks in a row, then let it loose...

Ignition Override
November 8, 2008, 03:08 AM
MD Willington: I really like your company's guns and products.

Shockwhore: Yes.

In about one week at Ammoman, buyers in a frenzy have driven up common Wolf 7.62x39 from $199/1,000 rds. to $249/1,000! Ammoman was about the first to scalp like this and will probably never have me again as a customer, even when prices reduce to near normal. How much longer can people decide to get scalped during the Christmas season and into January? If the wife wants an SKS and 2,000 rounds from Santa instead of a nice new coat.. ok.
Obama will barely know the White House 'latrine routine' by January 20th.

Why jump on the panic bus?
Did manic shoppers NOT suspect last June-August that Obama might just win the election, especially when the financial crisis hit in September?
And they waited until election night to face the possibilities after months of strong indications.
U2's Bono has nothing on this guy-until the honeymoon wears off when GM (Boeing?) etc lay off thousands more people (good luck to you guys/gals up there)...without a huge govt. loan. They are already trying to lower voters' high expectations.

It is difficult to imagine why they gun owners let themselves be pushed into a corner.
The question is when the panic will subside. The price for basic Wolf, 1,000 rds., only went up five dollars from last Feb/March to very late October.
I tracked it twice each week during that entire period.
It is THEIR decision to pay an extra 20%-not mine. Many people planned far ahead.

jeff-10
November 8, 2008, 03:32 AM
The price of ammo has more to due with the raw price of metals than politics. I fully expect ammo to eventually go down as the demand in copper, steel, tin, etc... drops with the falling economy.

bglz42
November 8, 2008, 07:15 AM
I priced an AK at a small gun shop in Texas City, Texas on Monday night before the election. It was $499. An AR he had was $749. On Tuesday post-election they were $799 & $999. Every gun on his wall went up 2-400 dollars.

Yeah, I think guns and ammo are going to skyrocket because of politics...:fire:

goldie
November 8, 2008, 08:29 AM
theres plenty of ar's & ak's on gunbroker,auctionarms,gunsinternational,& gunsamerica still at the old prices,just get them through there & pay the small transfer fee.i just dont like the possible ban on imported ammo.:cuss: i'd like to know when the last time someone was shot it this country(except a hunting accident) with a 303 or a 7.5 swiss round.thats what makes these laws so stupid........

lionking
November 8, 2008, 04:15 PM
Just went to my local dealer who I have made a good business relationship with in the last year who transfers my guns I get from around the net.Picked up a SP1 I bought last week,paid $950 for it which is why I got it.


He will be sleeping good tonight,he has been going crazy this week.People even snagged up all his Glocks,which I don't understand why because I don't think they would be banned,just the high cap mags for them.

Another guy in the store told us he had just been down the road at another store where that store tripled prices.He said a guy was buying a Keltec SU16 for $1200:what::banghead:

My dealer has not raised prices,he is a good guy though he has made a good amount of sales this week.He has my loyalty and I will never.....never buy from that other guy down the road.But some people are stupid enough to I guess.

Seafarer12
November 8, 2008, 04:37 PM
The dealers are the only ones who will profit from all this panic buying. I will have to laugh if nothing comes of it.

TexasRifleman
November 8, 2008, 04:48 PM
The dealers are the only ones who will profit from all this panic buying. I will have to laugh if nothing comes of it.

Well if nothing else it adds to the number of firearms out there, especially of the EBR type. Adds to that whole "common usage" thing anyway.

hags
November 8, 2008, 08:48 PM
I think Obama is realistic enough to know he's got much bigger fish to fry right now. Another ban may come across his desk, but not for some time. I am far more worried about my congress types using gun issues to get people frightened and riled up.

Yep! I'll second that.

bang_bang
November 8, 2008, 08:54 PM
The people who stockpile ammunition for sale, like Ammoman, are the ones to blame for the price gouge. They know that people are freaking out and are eager to buy at almost any cost.

Obama hasn't done anything...yet. I'm gonna take my time, hopefully purchase an AR or maybe a 50 BMG upper next year. A gun/ammo ban will take some time to get together, then another year or so before it actually becomes enforced. But I think they have other things to worry about rather than messing with gun issues as of the new president's first year in office.

goldie
November 8, 2008, 09:30 PM
i think the 50 bmg is one of the biggest targets for eradication; imagine 500% tax on that ammo? $30.00+ a shot? :what:

nathan
November 8, 2008, 09:58 PM
I will not buy bec i already have enough for what i need. Enough SKSs and AKs for the grandkids .

Seafarer12
November 8, 2008, 10:59 PM
bang bang thats what I am thinking. There is too much else on the plate right now to start working on a gun ban.

Tarvis
November 8, 2008, 11:09 PM
I think Obama is realistic enough to know he's got much bigger fish to fry right now.
There's a fallacy. Make no assumptions about Obama. Neither his constituency, the media that supported him nor his party know what this guy has cooking.

M&PVolk
November 8, 2008, 11:10 PM
What's on the plate to prevent Obama from re-enacting a ban, exactly? He has a rubber stamp in congress and can move a shocking amount of legislation through in very short order.

He has an entire fiscal year to worry about his tax plan for the economy. He already has an exit plan for Iraq. I expect proposed "crime" and "gun" legislation to get attention in the first year of his presidency.

rbernie
November 8, 2008, 11:11 PM
The people who stockpile ammunition for sale, like Ammoman, are the ones to blame for the price gouge. They know that people are freaking out and are eager to buy at almost any cost.Yes, this must be right.

These unscrupulous vendors possess some Jedi mind trick that makes people buy ammo in a panicked frenzy, all triggered by the vendor raising their prices.

meef
November 8, 2008, 11:17 PM
:D

Bernie... you're a hoot.

Girodin
November 8, 2008, 11:38 PM
I wont lie I'm a bit amused and shocked that people didn't see this coming and didn't get their affairs in order sooner. Months ago it was well known that barring something huge Obama would win. It didn't take great powers of divination to know prices would jump.

That said prices only go and stay high if people buy at them.

What's on the plate to prevent Obama from re-enacting a ban, exactly? He has a rubber stamp in congress and can move a shocking amount of legislation through in very short order.


If Obama is wise he has studied the presidency of Mr. Clinton who much like Obama ran on centrist rhetoric. When Clinton filled his cabinet with strong liberals and veered to the left it was very costly politically. His party suffered greatly at the mid term elections and many thought he was on path to be a one term president. Clinton then veered to the right and addressed republican issues such as balancing the budget and welfare reform. He won an easy second term in the wake of his conservative shift. Overreaching cost politicians. Overreaching will likely cost Obama. Now will he be able to resist the urgings of Pelosi et al. as well as his own inclinations? Time will tell. If he veers too hard to the left it will be costly politically. Are guns something he wants to spend a lot of political capitol on? Time will tell but if he is acting prudently he probably wont. His first hundred days will be interesting to say the least.

Another issue is that of the moderate democrats in congress. Much of the gains in the last few election have been amongst rather moderate democrats. Democratic gains in the west have been buy running a different brand of democrat than one finds in the North East. Despite the way the media has tried to portray it honest and critical examinations of this presidential eletion by political scientists, pollsters and others indicate Obama had virtually no "coat tails" to speak of in congress. He may try to say otherwise but what is actually important is whether or not members of congress believe it, and unfortunately for Obama their staffers can analyze the returns. A hallmark of US politics is that members of congress care more about their own re-election than their party.

What does all of this mean for guns? Well as Yogi Berra said predictions are hard to make especially when they are about the future, but I tend to think that it may not be as doom and gloom as some people believe.

That said I really hope people are ready to not just buy ammo and guns but to be active politically and work to safe guard gun rights. In states where you have moderate representatives make calls, write letters, send emails, go to their offices etc. Make your voice heard. I have just such a representative. He typically has been a supporter of gun rights despite being a democrat. He will be hearing from me about these issues.

SpeedAKL
November 8, 2008, 11:50 PM
I'll get in before this gets closed due to politics.

Obama is very anti-gun; we know this from his voting record and from his statements prior to his 2008 presidential campaign, when he went more centrist with his rhetoric. The million-dollar question is this: will we get Obama the leftist from the Senate and Illinois state or Obama the center-leftist we saw on the campaign trail? The only person who really can answer this question is Barack Obama.

Both of my states' senators are Democrats, but both of them have very strong ratings from the NRA as they have consistently supported 2A. So have many Democrats who were elected in southern and western states in 2006 and 2008. This brings us to the other million-dollar question: will these Democrats vote their principles or be brow-beaten by (trying to restrain myself from not taking the high road here and using expletives) Nancy Pelosi. Again, this is up in the air.

Naturally, these conditions instill a large amount of fear among gun owners, hence the rush to purchase everything EBR as well as stock up on ammo. Demand increases without an increase in supply, prices go up. I fully expect to see mass price gouging at the next gun show.

Personally, I am considering buying an AK, as the gun has grown on me recently and because of the political uncertainty. An adjustable stock for AR and more mags are definitely in the works, guaranteed.

The solution for us gun owners: get active. Give your congressman or senator support if they back gun rights, and give them hell if they don't. Keep contributing to the NRA and other pro-2A groups.

Personally, I hope that the Dems have studied their recent political history and know the damage that the AWB helped do to them in 1994.

RP88
November 9, 2008, 12:05 AM
Obama is very anti-gun. Yes. However, he does not seem stupid. In alot of democrats' opinion, gun control is dead and a stupid vote-loser to worry about. Or, at least they're on record to say that. However, will something revive it, and will Obama think that it will be possible to push for it like how Bill Clinton did after the Hollywood shootout? Will he also view it as a smart move? Will enough of his colleagues actually vote for it in risk of their jobs? Can the gun lobby block it? Will Heller and SCoTUS' general count remain status quo and be able to void it after a few years at worst? Will more precedent in favor of incorporating the 2A and so forth come along before an AWB is even born?

So many questions and factors that we don't know yet...

CRITGIT
November 9, 2008, 12:23 AM
The dealers are the only ones who will profit from all this panic buying. I will have to laugh if nothing comes of it.

This country's on the verge of totally melt down thanks to ...the existing "crew" so don't sweat the gun stuff until things like the econ, global warming, our failing foreign policy, our grumbling infrastructure, our broken education system, our neglected military, the vanishing act on the middle class, two wars and a partridge in a pear tree...are back to our standards. Cuz they ain't right now!
For every year it took to screw it up it'll take 3 for the next gang to fix.
So by all means, panic buy...it's good for the econ!:)

CRITGIT

MD_Willington
November 9, 2008, 12:38 AM
MD Willington: I really like your company's guns and products.

LOL.. not the first time someone has confused us MD's on that one.

Mike Davidson is MD Arms.. I'm just Matthew David.. LOL

Ignition Override
November 9, 2008, 12:43 AM
Mr. MD Willington:

Aren't those your entries which include the green link to Dinzag Arms,
with photos of Saiga parts etc? I just clicked on it again.

cptobvious30
November 9, 2008, 01:05 AM
Hi all, I am new here.
I think there was already a price hike up and a gun shortage scare long before the election results. it all boils down to "out of my cold dead hands" I hope that we the people would see someone trying to take away our guns. I also hope that we the people understand that we had this fight before and won. gun prices are subject to market conditions just like silver and gold. my self, i can only afford silver. the price of silver has gone up. you used to be able to get a single shot 12 gauge for 89 bucks new and 40 to 50 used. now i see them at the gun show for 140 used. I would like to run out and buy all the guns, but I found out a long time ago I only have 2 hands. I think in most situations if one man cant solve his problem with a .45 a 12 gauge and a .308 than he has a lot of ground to cover as fast as he can if he wants to live. there is no need to stock up on ammo unless you target shoot every day or you are expecting a zombie invasion. if the s.h.t.f. I am pretty sure I can walk in to any store of farm house and find a cache of .22, .45, 12ga, or .308
ammo has a shelf life and is heavy. too many guns invite problems and the Burden of moving them or guarding them. even if they try to ban all guns just think of how many jobs they created for the out of work machinist with a garage. it is far to late for a gun ban and it will never work.

bang_bang
November 9, 2008, 01:24 AM
For the gun ban, people are afraid that they can take them from us. This is doubtful....although they can stop the manufacture and importation of ammunition and certain firearms, such as the failed bill a couple years ago 10-22.

There are too many guns, legal and illegal out there. They also know that if you disarm America, only the bad guys will have guns.

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