[gotgcoalman]

nice 1 i saw this on another thread for cap and ball pistols.

bought some king size rolling papers and rolled a .45 ball with 1 charge

of 777 powder.

method
take 1 paper and a piece of dowel (smaller than the rifle bore)
roll for a while then pull dowel back a bit (to place shot/ball in)
roll again and twist shot/ball end)
wet paper to stick it and slowly remove dowel.

pour powder on tube created and twist the end.
hey presto a powder cartridge.
takes ages in the house but would take longer to
reload using a flask to meaure powder etc outdoors.

Don't know if it works yet?
trying it tomorrow and will post back.
ps it,s powder in there not weed lol.

[barneyrw]

If this is for a rifle where does the patch come in? I think the paper cartridges were for rounds not using a patch like the Civil War minnie ball.

[SE-Okla.shooter]

Barneyrw did you miss his first sentience? Brushy

[Voodoochile]

Actually a paper type of cartridge was being used during & before the Revolutionary War where the primary projectile was a patched round ball but instead of an actual patch they would use the paper after the powder was poured into the bore as the patching material for the ball.

[frontiergander]

And the paper patch is the reason ( i feel) that accuracy was so poor during the revolutionly war. My .54cal smoothbore holds a solid 4 1/2" group @ 75 yards and it only has a shotgun style bead front sight and no rear! I also use .018 pillow ticking.

[barneyrw]

Brushy: Yeah, I caught the first sentence but he said that's where he got the instructions. He titled the post Rifle and under method he says to use a dowel smaller than the rifle bore. Maybe I'm wrong but it appears to me he is talking about a rifle with rifleing not a smooth bore. I don't think paper would make a very good patch, especially thin rolling paper.

[Loyalist Dave]

during & before the Revolutionary War where the primary projectile was a patched round ball

Actually the primary projectile was the musket ball, which was held in place against the primary charge with the paper, but was used in a smoothbore, not a rifled piece. The accuracy was poor as the ball had to be a good deal smaller than the bore to allow for speed loading numerous rounds in battle. The beginning ammo load for an infantry private at the start of the American War of Independence was 9-18 rounds, by its end it was 24-36. To load 24 rounds without getting the ball stuck, and without swabbing the bore (there is no evidence that units stopped and swabbed in battle), you need to use a .690 ball in a .750 bore, or smaller.

Smoothbore hunters did indeed use a cloth patched ball, and could expect good accuracy well beyond the effective range of muskets and fusils using paper cartridges.

A "patched" round ball was also used in rifles, and was indeed, a very accurate round.

The Jaegers had rifled pieces and used paper cartridges, and it is thought they either used a cloth patch, sewn to the ball, then placed the ball into the cartridge, and loaded by tearing away the ball portion instead of tearing open the end twisted over the powder. Then the ball-cloth assembly could be loaded. OR..., the paper cartridges merely held powder, and the ball was patched and loaded following the use of the cartridge.


LD

[gotgcoalman]

Loading is very quick,although first time i didn't tear the paper to allow some powder into the barrel and it took 3 primers and powder in the nipple to fire it.


After that i tore paper and let powder run out as i was inserting the rest of the charge.

scan of target aint too good.
Had a few practice shots first tho.
100 yards with single charge of fffg 150 gr ball.
First shot was well left (wind blowing right to left) forgot to allow for it.

Last shot of 6 was so close to middle it was either skill or luck(think the last applies lol).
In all the rolling paper charges are quick for loading and not much harder to ram home.Acuracy speaks for its self.
Good enough to take a deer @ 100 yards.

[gotgcoalman]

Rifle is a kentucky smothe bore in .45 cal,

Voodoochlie is spot on the paper acts a a wad once the powder is emptied out ,you (start the ball)as normal then ram the whole lot home. No need for card wad.

[goldeneagle]

hi gotgcoalman i have the flint lock version of that rifle and i achived worse results at smaller ranges using the traditional method of loading (powder then wad then projectile then wad).

[goldeneagle]

i forgot to mention that fishing weights fit snug in that rifles barrel

[Smokin_Gun]

i forgot to mention that fishing weights fit snug in that rifles barrel

Does the eyelet go towards the breech?

SG

[gotgcoalman]

lol think he ment the non swivel version.