Wounded and suffering animals


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jsalcedo
September 16, 2003, 09:50 PM
I sometimes go hiking and on more than one occasion I have run across
deer with one gangrenous leg hanging or a tree branch gouged eyeball
or ones wounded from being hit by cars.

Should I or do I need to put these animals down as I come across them?

I'm not sure if the police or animal rescue is going to hike out in the middle of the woods on my phone call and if they do the animal would probably have moved off by then.

How should this be dealt with?

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TallPine
September 16, 2003, 09:54 PM
Sadly, not unless you want to take a chance of being prosecuted for poaching ...

And critters do survive some pretty awful injuries - there was a three legged doe running around our friends' neighborhood for several years.

Bigjake
September 16, 2003, 09:58 PM
i guess it would depend where you live. if theres any threat of witnesses or game wardens wandering the place, let it be. If it were out on our property down in the hills, i'd put the critter out of its misery, but there i have no fear of legal reprocusions.

DorGunR
September 16, 2003, 10:34 PM
jsalcedo Why don't you ask your local Game Warden the same question you just posted on this thread?????
If you do.......please post his answer.;)

TheeBadOne
September 16, 2003, 10:38 PM
They will tell you to call the local authorties because sadly, too many poachers use that defense "It was wounded" when caught. Sometimes they will tell you to go ahead and put the animal down, sometimes they will respond.

Pumpkinheaver
September 16, 2003, 10:41 PM
That's what coyotes are for!!!

jsalcedo
September 16, 2003, 10:43 PM
Why don't you ask your local Game Warden the same question you just posted on this thread?????

Good Idea. I was thinking more from a moral, practicality, safety standpoint.

I didn't even think about the poaching aspect but that is really something to take into consideration.

JerryN
September 16, 2003, 10:53 PM
If the animal cannot get away from you, you can be fairly certain that it is suffering in some substantial manner. The real ethical question would be why you would let it continue to suffer.

The legal question would be whether you could do your duty by stopping the suffering without being arrested. And since that is the case, you should, as has been mentioned, discuss this with your local game warden.

I hike and stomp around in the woods a lot, hunting, fishing and doing nature photography. I live in the boonies. There are bazillions of animals around here. I kayak and canoe the waters all around this relatively wild area.

I *never* see (compared to your "on more than one occasion I have run across") wounded critters as you have described. You must live in an unusual area. The animals I see (and mind you, I Live in an area where hunting is the norm - we still live as part of the natural cycle, not APART FROM the natural cycle) and its pretty danged rare to see a wounded animal.

jsalcedo
September 16, 2003, 11:35 PM
You must live in an unusual area. The animals I see (and mind you, I Live in an area where hunting is the norm we still live as part of the natural cycle

I wasn't sure if it is unsual or not. One time was in a state park another time the animal was standing on the side of a hiking trail with a big piece of
it's face rotting off, the latest one was across a fence in a fairly rural
area with a leg hanging off barely attached.

I know we have coyotes around here but it seems not enough.

There is plenty of hunting in South Texas but most likely not in the areas
I described.

Redlg155
September 17, 2003, 01:18 AM
Leaving them alone is the best bet out there. What you may think as a wounded animal or sick animal could possibly be one that is rabid. As for deer, the critters will take care of it soon enough should it expire. Although you may not see them often, you would be surprised at the amount of predator animals in your area.

No game warden out there would advise that you dispatch a wounded animal unless the animal is considered a nuisance animal or that the game is in season and you add it to your existing bag limit. Otherwise they would ask that you advise them of the critter. Would they do something about it? Well..unless it is trapped or in a public area you can pretty much bet they will let nature take its course.

I'm not a game warden, but I did spend about a year attatched to the Fish and Wildlife section when stationed at Ft Sill, Ok.

Good Shooting
Red

jsalcedo
September 17, 2003, 02:21 AM
Thanks for the info.

I guess I'll be calling the authorities or just leave it be.

243_shooter
September 17, 2003, 06:16 AM
And critters do survive some pretty awful injuries - there was a three legged doe running around our friends' neighborhood for several years.

Very true.. My buddies game camera often catches pics of an OLD doe (muzzle + around eyes completely gray like and old lab).. She has a plainly visible gouge that runs down her LF shoulder, and LR hip.. Looks like somebody ran an ice cream scoop down her.. I don't know if it was a run in from a car, or a grazing shot, or what, but it looks to be completely healed..

Leo

AJ Dual
September 17, 2003, 02:53 PM
This thread makes me think of the latest in that series of annoying OnStar radio commercials of "actual calls". I just heard a new one driving to lunch today, it made me laugh out loud, and I almost could have used OnStar in my car to report I was choking on my freedom-fries.

Announcer: This is an actual OnStar call, from blah blah blah...

A hysterical woman pushes the OnStar button in her SUV and chokes out between sobs that she's hit a deer, and begs the operator to call her husband. (First chuckle)

The operator insists on calling the Sheriff's office first, and when connected, they ask her over the OnStar speaker if she's OK.

"Yes, (sniffle), I'm fine, but I think the deer's leg is broken..."

LMAO :D Like they're going to send out the special "animal ambulance". (more like the glue wagon)

The commercial should have continued with the police arriving on the audio, saying, "Stay in your car just a moment ma'am..."

A muffled BANG! is heard, and the sound of horrified soccer-mommy screams blasting out the ears of the OnStar operator.

BamBam
September 17, 2003, 03:09 PM
True story:

A few years ago I was driving to a service call in the ghetto. A dog darted out in front of a car going the other direction and got hit.
I stopped to check on the animal (the other driver sped away). It was hurt so bad that I knew it wouldn't make it to the vet. I felt that putting it down with my Beretta .25 Jetfire would be the humane thing to do.
JUST as I was about to squeeze off a round, the dog's owner comes outside. I asked him if I should put the dog out of it's suffering and he says "I'll take care of it".
So he picks the dog up, throws it over his chain-link fence and walks back into the house.
I waited for a few minutes but the guy never comes back out!

What a guy.

4v50 Gary
September 17, 2003, 03:15 PM
That's one heckuva horrible story Bambam. He throws his injured dog over a fence? :mad:

Turning to the wounded deer with a gangerous leg, I doubt if a case can be made for poaching as opposed to mercy killing. A photo of the bad leg and proof that the animal could not survive would exculpate one from a poaching conviction. But you gotta have a photo and support it with testimony of your observation and of course, a touch of remorse that the poor critter was in such condition.

The real issue is whether you can lawfully euthanize an injured or sick animal. Consult Wally Warden or Harry Humane Officer for advice in your jurisdiction.

jhisaac1
September 17, 2003, 03:35 PM
Redlg155
I'm not a game warden, but I did spend about a year attatched to the Fish and Wildlife section when stationed at Ft Sill, Ok.

Huh?

dandean316
September 17, 2003, 03:38 PM
"Yes, (sniffle), I'm fine, but I think the deer's leg is broken..."Like they're going to send out the special "animal ambulance". (more like the glue wagon)

I hit a big doe broadside a couple years back and totalled my wife's car. A totally smashed front end, busted windshield, engine died, jsut completely totalled. I had my sister in law come pick us up and she said "I sure hope the deer didn't suffer." Are you kidding me? We could have been killed and she's worried about an overgrown rat.

TallPine
September 17, 2003, 03:45 PM
I hit a big doe broadside a couple years back and totalled my wife's car.

Another reason to drive a full-size SUV .... :D

dandean316
September 17, 2003, 03:57 PM
Another reason to drive a full-size SUV
Nah. A full size truck. Can put dirt and wood in the back without worrying about tearing up all the pretty carpeting in a SUV. Heck, I'd have run the doe over with a truck instead of hitting her broadside and flipping her over, crashing into the windshield then up and over the car. Very scary.

And on topic - I would most likely never shoot a wounded animal, especially if there's people within hearing distance of the gunshot.

TallPine
September 17, 2003, 04:21 PM
dan, actually, I have the truck

my wife has the Suburban


But grill guards - the big heavy ones made out of 3" pipe - are the way to go.

Navy joe
September 17, 2003, 08:53 PM
Ya know, I'll deal with the legal later, if an animal is suffering I'm going to stop that. There are exceptions, up where I'm from there is an excellent animal hospital that specializes in wild animals, usually releasing them when well. Lots of common critters but they do have a bald eagle and great horned owl who are too banged up to go back, they travel around to schools when the center does wildlife education. Incidentally both were wounded by a-hole hunters taking potshots at clearly non-game species. If the wound is survivable I'd try to get an animal there. Then there's my Christmas deer that I whacked with a car, stood there and talked and petted it for 10 minutes until it got fully re-witted and ran off like a shot. I'm not looking to shot stuff for the heck of it, just no sense in letting an obviously non-recoverable animal suffer.

4v50 Gary
September 17, 2003, 09:51 PM
Speaking of messed up raptors, I attended a show hosted by the Montana Wildlife Center (name?). The speaker was talking about this messed up bird that was perfectly healthy but mentally off. It had been found as a chick and raised in a shelter by a well meaning and kind hearted but ignorant couple. They released said eagle from captivity when it was full grown.

Said eagle was free for a couple of weeks and didn't have a clue how to hunt or feed itself. One day it swooped down and snatched a sandwich from some guy who was sitting on the tailgate of his station wagon having lunch. :eek: Needless to say, the poor fellow was startled. What happened next stirred his curiousity. The eagle landed within 12 feet of him and began eating the sandwich in his presence. "Hey," he thought, "eagles don't grab sandwiches for food and don't eat in the presence of people." When the eagle finished the sandwich, he threw a potato chip down and the eagle came and ate that. He lured the eagle closer until he got it into the station wagon and closed the door on it. It was very docile. He turned the eagle over to an animal shelter and it was the very same shelter that it was raised at.

The lady pauses at this time, raises her arm, and down swoops this Bald Eagle from the end of the auditorium. Great entrnace. She continues the story of the eagle.

Well, the shelter called for help and that's when the Wildlife Center came and took it. You see, the eagle is use to people (mom & dad) and thinks it suppose to be around people. It doesn't know how to behave as a regular bird. So, it's a showbird used to talk about the center.

Funny thing (for us and not her) is that the eagle began walking up her arm and past the leather arm guard. It then happily perches itself on her shoulder and she grimaces and explains that it has never done that before. Those talons must have hurt.

Other birds includes an owl (don't remember what type) and a Golden Eagle that was disabled by some poacher. :mad:

Redlg155
September 17, 2003, 09:58 PM
jhisaac1,

When I was stationed at Ft Sill, soldiers were used to augment the Fish and Wildlife section for duties ranging from fishing and hunting license sales to care of animals. Prior to my getting a medical discharge I was assigned to them for duty.

It definitely had to be one of the best assignments I've ever had.

Good Shooting
Red

.45FMJoe
September 17, 2003, 10:42 PM
Ya know, I'll deal with the legal later, if an animal is suffering I'm going to stop that. There are exceptions, up where I'm from there is an excellent animal hospital that specializes in wild animals, usually releasing them when well. Lots of common critters but they do have a bald eagle and great horned owl who are too banged up to go back, they travel around to schools when the center does wildlife education. Incidentally both were wounded by a-hole hunters taking potshots at clearly non-game species. If the wound is survivable I'd try to get an animal there. Then there's my Christmas deer that I whacked with a car, stood there and talked and petted it for 10 minutes until it got fully re-witted and ran off like a shot. I'm not looking to shot stuff for the heck of it, just no sense in letting an obviously non-recoverable animal suffer.


AMEN. That's exactly how I feel. Brings back the story of the 2 dogs on Dale Mabry Highway about 2&1/2 years ago. So sad. The first got hit by a Sheriff's cruiser. The insensitive ??? of a Sheriff didn't care. I'm happy his wheel got bent and he was inconvienienced for so long. We were trying to round up the big female and she stepped out in front of a speeding Durango. slid about 25 feet on her back. She didn't die for about 15 minutes. What pisses me off is the c@^t in the Durango sped off. Then, to top it off...after petting and calming this poor dog right through her final death throes, the male animal control officer asked ME to help put her in the truck. This with a female animal control officer, a female TPD officer and 2 male TPD officers standing right there. :( :(

jhisaac1
September 17, 2003, 10:55 PM
Redlg155,
Thanks for clearing that up. Your statement caught me by surprise.

"Fire Mission! Poacher in the open...."

Betty
September 17, 2003, 11:54 PM
Years ago my brother put down a duck that was wobbling around on the side of the road. It had been hit by a car and it's beak was torn off, still dangling off it's face. My brother used the only thing he had on him at the time to euthanize the duck - a pellet gun. He said he used a lot off pellets to finish that poor bird.

My coworkers came across a sick bird. They didn't know what to do about it but knew it had to be euthanized. I volunteered and took care of the problem - it had to be done because children are always around the area and they shouldn't get their hands on that bird and play with it, and we suspected it had West Nile virus.

I don't like seeing animals suffer or like leaving sick or injured animals around where they may come in contact with other people. Injured and sick animals can behave unpredicatably, and I wouldn't want my two-year old niece coming across a sick raccoon that she thinks looks like a cuddly playtoy.

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