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MT GUNNY
November 8, 2008, 03:44 PM
This was sent to me by the Brady Camp:


Dear LBF
We Won, the NRA Lost, Now Let's Get Busy
Jim and I couldn't be more pleased and proud of what you helped make happen this week. We have a tremendous opportunity with our new leaders.
I can tell you: it hasn't been this good for quite a while!
The NRA is reeling from their election defeats. They lost in states where they spent millions on ad campaigns and endorsements. Now they are quickly re-building their war chest to fight us all the way.
You know me as a do-er. I like to make things happen — especially when it results in saving lives. And as much as I want to breathe a sigh of relief after this week's election, we need to get busy.
Please help with an immediate donation
to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
I don't want to lose any time getting the new Congress and the White House to move our life-saving agenda forward. Click here to donate.
I want our newly elected officials to hit the ground running as much as you do. We need the new Congress to close the gun show loophole, enact a comprehensive assault weapons ban, and stop illegal gun trafficking.
We can't wait another moment to get started on the tough work ahead.
We have many allies in Congress. More than 91 percent of Brady-endorsed candidates won their races. And President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden are strong and consistent supporters of common sense gun measures.
But they need to hear from the Brady Campaign right now. Please contribute to the Brady Campaign to make sensible gun laws a top priority in this new Administration.

Sincerely,

Sarah Brady, Chair

P.S. The Brady Campaign has so many allies in Congress now. Please donate today to help move quickly to pass sensible gun laws.






Yes I am signed up for Email alerts from the Brady Camp, I think you should also. Anyway WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER and defeat them like we did with DC vs HELLER. The NRA spent Alot Of Money on Campaign Adds.
Fellow Gunners I will be donating $25 to the NRA-ILA
https://secure.nraila.org/Contribute.aspx
Whether or not you think the NRA is for you and your believes, Ask yourself
"Does the Brady Camp Emulate my Ideals"?

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MT GUNNY
November 8, 2008, 03:52 PM
My 25 has been submitted! TO the NRA-ILA
For those that are not a Member, you might as well get something for your Money and go with a membership instead of a donation.

Treo
November 8, 2008, 04:08 PM
Are you suggesting that you did, and we should give mony to the Brady Bunch?

Didn't realize the air was that thin in Kalispell

TexasRifleman
November 8, 2008, 04:11 PM
Are you suggesting that you did, and we should give mony to the Brady Bunch?

I assume he meant NRA-ILA at the bottom of the OP.

The NRA spent Alot Of Money on Campaign Adds.
Fellow Gunners I will be donating $25 to the NRA-ILA
https://secure.nraila.org/Contribute.aspx
Whether or not you think the NRA is for you and your believes, Ask yourself
"Does the Brady Camp Emulate my Ideals"?

rocinante
November 8, 2008, 04:13 PM
Well bless their little bleeding cheerful hearts. Wile E. Coyote doesn't give up either. They convinced me to make a donation but not to them for sure for sure.

Float Pilot
November 8, 2008, 04:13 PM
As things turns out, I should have sent the $500 that I sent to the RNC to the NRA /ILA...

Animal Mother
November 8, 2008, 04:14 PM
Fellow Gunners I will be donating $25 to the NRA-ILA
https://secure.nraila.org/Contribute.aspx

Treo, MT Gunny donated to the NRA-ILA. It is something any self respecting gunny should do.

FlyinBryan
November 8, 2008, 04:15 PM
Are you suggesting that you did, and we should give mony to the Brady Bunch?

did you read the whole post?

MT GUNNY
November 8, 2008, 04:16 PM
I think Its fairly Clear, I am a Gunny.

The brady Camp sent out a Email to there constituants.

The Brady Camp thinks I am one of them,(NOT).

NCsmitty
November 8, 2008, 04:27 PM
Very good MT GUNNY, infiltrate and annihilate. You need to know the enemy's tactics.

NCsmitty

thebigc
November 8, 2008, 04:37 PM
this post has inspired me to join the nra again i havent been a member in like 2 years but i just signed up for a year and an extra magazine.

moooose102
November 8, 2008, 05:01 PM
we ALL are going to get off our duffs, and try to keep from loosing a bunch of our rights. it is going to be a long hard battle. i am not wealthy, but i have some time. so i am looking into volenteering some of it to the NRA. and, yes, i am a member. but right now, that is not going to be enough.

Treo
November 8, 2008, 06:22 PM
Did you read the whole post?

I did, it was the second (since edited) post that threw me. My apologies and I second the motion that we need to join up and donate to the NRA , as well as other pro RKBA organizations.

Again my apologies

Frog48
November 8, 2008, 06:26 PM
Very good MT GUNNY, infiltrate and annihilate. You need to know the enemy's tactics.

Agreed, keep your friend close and your enemies closer.

Hk91-762mm
November 8, 2008, 06:28 PM
I used to get Brady Bunch E-Mailings :barf:
Then on the day Heller was announced they sent me an E-Mail asking for money :mad:
I sent them the following reply--Hhahahahahh Hhahah Heeeeeee hahah WE WIN --YYEEAAAAaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! :neener:
Now I dont Get there E-mails anymore --Darn :cuss:

ridata
November 8, 2008, 07:00 PM
I am signed up for the Sarah Brady's emails. From now on I will do my best to donate $5 to NRA-ILA every time I get a Brady email, and I will send Sarah an email saying so each time.
Feel free to join me. ;)

JBURGII
November 8, 2008, 07:02 PM
Excellent idea! I think I will join you on that one. J

daorhgih
November 8, 2008, 07:37 PM
Well, fellow gun-men and -women, have you had it "up to here" with the press lately? Gloating how "the gun-wielders have been repudiated" and "gun lobbyists have gone away in defeat"? Hhhmmm, well have you? Well, our cause has not been defeated! It was simply "squirreled with" and "ACORNED" to the margins. I am as mad as you are, but that will do nobody any good, unless we apply their tactics in our favor. I propose that we sign and circulate the following Pledge, or something like it, at all gun-shops, gun-shows, gunner-gatherings, and, where any will, use the voluntarily given e-mail addresses to remind all of us to VOTE IN 2012 to preserve all of our rights (assuming we have any left by that time.) Feel free to edit, expand, delete, or opine on the following idea:

Oath of National Resisters of Over-reaching Congressional Authority
("A C O R N" put backwards )


I do hereby pledge to do Whatever It Takes (Not "To do my best", but to do "WHATEVER IT TAKES!") to defeat all gun-grabbers and their attempts to invalidate our Second Amendment Constitutional Right to have and to use fire-arms. I will do Whatever It Takes to unseat any incumbent in any station or level of politics who is anti-2A. I will act in every legal fashion and partake in every forum where our Rights may be discussed. I PROMISE THAT I WILL send one letter or e-mail to the editor(s) of every newspaper(s) and periodical(s) I read, and especially to reply to ALL Anti-2A comments of the paper or letter-writers. I will be civil but I will be adamant about enforcing the Constitution and defending it, against all enemies, foreign (AND DOMESTIC!). XXX

MT GUNNY
November 8, 2008, 08:17 PM
DAORHGIH

I'm not articulate enough to wright to the Editor of the paper here.
I would however, be willing to copy a good letter and submit it to the local paper here.

JBURGII
Excelent Idea!!

Flatbedder
November 9, 2008, 04:18 AM
"I used to get Brady Bunch E-Mailings
Then on the day Heller was announced they sent me an E-Mail asking for money
I sent them the following reply--Hhahahahahh Hhahah Heeeeeee hahah WE WIN --YYEEAAAAaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
Now I dont Get there E-mails anymore --Darn"


You blew your cover!! We do need covert operators to infiltrate Brady. Keep gathering that intel...

Double Naught Spy
November 9, 2008, 04:46 AM
Whether or not you think the NRA is for you and your believes, Ask yourself
"Does the Brady Camp Emulate my Ideals"?

If I am donating to the NRA, shouldn't I be asking myself if the NRA emulates my ideals? After all, there are other pro gun organizations.

The Brady Camp thinks I am one of them,(NOT).
They don't think you are one of them, not unless you actually are a participant in their activities. Simply being on an electronic mailing list means just that, you are on an electronic mailing list, nothing more.

Very good MT GUNNY, infiltrate and annihilate. You need to know the enemy's tactics.
This sounds rather spookish, but silly. Getting in a public mailing list is hardly infiltration and besides, just how is this public information actionable information to be used in annihilation? It is a propaganda email, nothing more.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 05:33 AM
I can tell you right now, the anti-gun crowd will not get the support they think they will with the newly-elected democrats.

Put very simply, it is not a priority - and is not a fight we feel it's worth having any time soon. (yes - i said we, don't shoot)

Gun rights is a losing battle for democrats. We learned that lesson quite awhile ago. With Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, Russia, Terrorism, the economy, healthcare, education, etc etc etc - a knock down drag out fight on high capacity mags isn't at the bottom of the list - it didn't even make the list to begin with.

I can certainly understand everybody getting up in arms (no pun intended) over the recent election - but again, that's just another reason why we're not pursuing it. It's a wedge issue that raises a ton of money for the republicans, energizes the base, and loses elections.

As spy mentioned - it's a propaganda email - nothing more.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 05:39 AM
I do hereby pledge to do Whatever It Takes (Not "To do my best", but to do "WHATEVER IT TAKES!") to defeat all gun-grabbers and their attempts to invalidate our Second Amendment Constitutional Right to have and to use fire-arms. I will do Whatever It Takes to unseat any incumbent in any station or level of politics who is anti-2A. I will act in every legal fashion and partake in every forum where our Rights may be discussed. I PROMISE THAT I WILL send one letter or e-mail to the editor(s) of every newspaper(s) and periodical(s) I read, and especially to reply to ALL Anti-2A comments of the paper or letter-writers. I will be civil but I will be adamant about enforcing the Constitution and defending it, against all enemies, foreign (AND DOMESTIC!). XXX

I can certainly understand the passion and enthusiasm - but I think perhaps we should be careful with the words chosen in the rhetoric...
The "WHATEVER IT TAKES!" part tends to get people a little nervous.

NCsmitty
November 9, 2008, 09:48 AM
I can certainly understand the passion and enthusiasm - but I think perhaps we should be careful with the words chosen in the rhetoric...
The "WHATEVER IT TAKES!" part tends to get people a little nervous.
I'll tell you what makes me nervous. It's a new member who is a self proclaimed BHO supporter, trying to placate those of us who "cling to God and our guns". The incoming administration will indeed be busy with the immediate problems facing the Nation, but the "liberal agenda" will not forget about gun control. Somewhere down the road the Dems will continue the chipping away of our Constitutional right to bear arms. To say that is not on their agenda is a lie. Another danger obviously, is with Supreme Court appointees who do not interpret the Second Amendment as our forefathers intended.
Sinixstar, do you actually own any firearms?

NCsmitty

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 10:03 AM
Sinixstar, do you actually own any firearms?

Currently? No.
In my moving around the country over the last several years, it became difficult to ensure any level of safety. I do still have a few at my father's in Indiana? Would you like a list?
Marlin .22 papoose (the wood/blue model), Model 37 12ga, model 37 20ga, SuperBlackhawk .44mag with Hogue Grips and a 7.5" barrel, BlackHawk .45 colt with the stock rosewood grips in 7.5" and the non-fluted cyl, .50cal CVA muzzleloader (forget the model), and an old as dirt .22 that was passed down that I couldn't even tell you the make of.

I'm not trying to placate anybody. If you want to think your world is going to come crashing down - feel free. I'm just trying to let you know what those of us on the other side of the aisle are thinking, cause I imagine you don't get much contrary opinion around here.

Grey_Mana
November 9, 2008, 10:30 AM
If you really want to fight the Brady Campaign, the easiest way to set up your own astroturf nonprofit, get a webpage, and solicit funds for 'sensible gun laws.' See if you can syphon a few dollars.

crushbup
November 9, 2008, 10:33 AM
Marlin .22 papoose (the wood/blue model), Model 37 12ga, model 37 20ga, SuperBlackhawk .44mag with Hogue Grips and a 7.5" barrel, BlackHawk .45 colt with the stock rosewood grips in 7.5" and the non-fluted cyl, .50cal CVA muzzleloader (forget the model), and an old as dirt .22 that was passed down that I couldn't even tell you the make of.

I love how you list a lot of "sporting" looking guns, all that have that rustic, American look. You're either a bad troll, or a brainwashed 12 year old from Massachusetts who thinks he's making a difference by trying to get us to endorse Obama based on speculation from a random stranger on the internet.

I do still have a few at my father's in Indiana?

What, you're not sure?

If you really want to fight the Brady Campaign, the easiest way to set up your own astroturf nonprofit, get a webpage, and solicit funds for 'sensible gun laws.' See if you can syphon a few dollars.

Sounds illegal, at least, if you don't give all the money to an organization that will support those laws. (sensible is subjective, so the NRA would work). You would, however, need to file all sorts of tax forms, and as a nonprofit they can be viewed and you would be outed faster than lightning.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 10:51 AM
I love how you list a lot of "sporting" looking guns, all that have that rustic, American look. You're either a bad troll, or a brainwashed 12 year old from Massachusetts who thinks he's making a difference by trying to get us to endorse Obama based on speculation from a random stranger on the internet.

Sporting *looking* guns? no, every single one of those was carried in the field at one point or another. No rifles because Indiana has one of those lame no rifle laws.

I'm also not trying to get you to endorse Obama. I could really care less who you vote for. Besides - elections over, little late for endorsements, don't you think?

The bigger point i'm trying to make is not all democrats are trying to take guns away. A lot of us don't want to see that happen. By and large, it's not something very high on the list of priorities. Certainly with the recent rush to load up, there's even more pressure to back off the subject.

What, you're not sure?
It's late. Typos happen.

crushbup
November 9, 2008, 11:05 AM
not all democrats are trying to take guns away

All the ones that voted for an anti-gun President are. Indirectly so, but it's still quite vexing. I'm not a 1 issue voter, but I do keep in mind that without RKBA, we have no other rights; who's going to stop them if they trample on the other rights?

By and large, it's not something very high on the list of priorities.
Which is why they included on the DNC national platform, right? That's the list of things that are utterly insignificant to them, isn't it?

No rifles because Indiana has one of those lame no rifle laws.
Marlin .22 papoose (the wood/blue model)
[Bill Cosby voice] Riiiiiight...

If, of course, you're referring not to a statewide ban on rifles, perhaps you mean a ban on rifle hunting? Might want to check again, they've changed the law to allow deer hunting with rifles.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 11:11 AM
so sorry - i believe the exact wording of the law if i remember correctly was "no centerfire bottleneck cartridges" for hunting.

edit: Appears they've changed the definition a bit - now "rifles that use pistol cartridges" is how it's described. See for yourself:
http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-Deer_Hunting_Equipment.pdf

crushbup
November 9, 2008, 11:39 AM
The BFR can use 45-70. I wonder if that makes it count as a pistol cartridge...

wyocarp
November 9, 2008, 11:47 AM
The War has just begun!

I read that title and I immediately went and opened my safe and started gearing up.

A-190
November 9, 2008, 12:00 PM
It is ridiculous to state that the demos are not going after the weapons. IT is a well established fact that the dems historically to 1968 have imposed regulation after regulation on legal gun owner ship and that dems have progressively went after hunting, firearms shooting, Evil black weapons, and ammunition in one form or another in most of our remembered life time............

Low on their priority...............I think not..............otherwise it would not be on Obamas web page....................

hoosier8
November 9, 2008, 02:45 PM
Sinixstar: The bigger point i'm trying to make is not all democrats are trying to take guns away. A lot of us don't want to see that happen. By and large, it's not something very high on the list of priorities. Certainly with the recent rush to load up, there's even more pressure to back off the subject.

I hear you Sinixstar but what has people on edge is what is in Obama's platform on his website. The fact that current "Assault" weapons are no more than single fire adaptations of a battle weapon, previous military weaponry followed the same route to the field, such as the flintlock, lever repeaters, and bolt action rifles.

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."

I hope you are right but the re-introduction of the Assault weapons ban may get a nod since it was last introduced by a Republican from Illinois. There may not be enough opposition on the Dems side, and there may be a push to pass just to get something passed for posterity since much of the new spending plans may be difficult to sell. There are obviously Reps that are for the ban. Most people that do not own rifles or have only one, may buy into the fear mongering and miss-direction that goes along with selling this ban.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 03:19 PM
A-190, look at the history of all those bills. Not a single one passes without pretty good Repub support. To blame it on "the liberals" or "the democrats" is... short sighted at best.

If we're going to address the problem, we have to address THE WHOLE problem.

The "anti" movement gets this stuff through, because they have bi-partisan support (for whatever reason). Meanwhile the "pro" group (those of us on here) can't get past the D/R issue. We get reduced to "fringe" elements as a result.

That's the point that I'm trying to make. The longer you guys push back against people like me, I mean - i'm here for the same reasons you are - the more both of us get screwed.

MT GUNNY
November 9, 2008, 03:27 PM
Double Naught Spy
started a negative trend on my Thread, can we please get back to the Fight For Our Right to Bear Arms Instead of fighting OURSELVES!

hoosier8
November 9, 2008, 03:35 PM
Please donate today to help move quickly to pass sensible gun laws.

This is what it is all about. Donate!

RP88
November 9, 2008, 03:36 PM
the last AWB passed by one vote, in a time that I'd wager the congress was mostly liberal, if only by a bit. The bi-partisan support - if present - is more in our favor than theirs. Aside from five or so people from the North, I've heard ofr many, many so-called pro-gun democrats. We'll see how pro-gun they are in the upcoming years... Hopefully, we'll find out that our pessimism was uncalled for.

hoosier8
November 9, 2008, 03:36 PM
If you really want to fight the Brady Campaign, the easiest way to set up your own astroturf nonprofit, get a webpage, and solicit funds for 'sensible gun laws.' See if you can syphon a few dollars.

Brilliant! See if you can get some Government funding also.

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 03:58 PM
RP88, that's not true at all.
Passed the senate 94 to 4, with one non-vote.
The no's were 1 R, 1 D, and 2 I's.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h103-3355

Passed the house with a voice vote - so there is no record of who voted how.

NCsmitty
November 9, 2008, 06:11 PM
Sinixstar, I hear what you're saying, but the number of pro-gun democrats are few and far between. The days of Zell Miller style Dems are past, unfortunately. Now we are flooded with Clintonian liberals, who do not have the gun owner's best interest at heart. It's mostly a result of the dumbing down of America that's occurred over the last 15 years. Too many people, legal and illegal, holding out their hands for a piece of the pie that's been promised. You know what I say is true, and regardless of your assumptions that the incoming administration will not bother gun owners, I've lived 63 years and I know better. It is on BHO's to-do list, and for me, he is not to be trusted.

NCsmitty

Sinixstar
November 9, 2008, 06:54 PM
NC - actually - what you say is NOT true.
There are a LOT more of us out there than you think. Now I know, I know - if there's so many of us - hows come you never see 'em?
Well, why should we reach out? Every time we do, we get beat over the head because of the D in front of our name. In the last day on this site, i've been called ignorant, liar, stupid, moron, on and on and on, all because I admitted i'm a democrat. Right now there's a little over 2000 people on this site. about 300 reg users, and about 1700 "guests". If any of those 1700 are in fact democrats, after reading some of the stuff on here - what reason on this earth would they have to subject themselves to that?

You know how we won the congress back in 2006? In no small part to the fact that we ran pro-gun democrats. What makes you think all of the sudden those same pro-gun democrats are now going to flip to the other side? Even if they did - guess what, they get booted out of office, and we lose the majority we built. The republican majority comes in,and undoes all that work. What good does that do?

People talk about "it's still in the party platform". Yea - on just about the last page. It used to be one of the main highlights of the platform. You know why it's not like that anymore? Because of all of us non-existent pro-gun democrats have been pushing for it from within the party.
It's so important to the republicans - yet the whole issue gets half a sentence in an intro paragraph on page 47 of the GOP Platform.
I hate to beat the dead horse - but we need to break ourselves of this democrat/republican mindset on this issue. There may not be anything else we agree on - and that's fine, but don't stick us all in the same pigeon hole on this.

crushbup
November 9, 2008, 09:20 PM
I see an "s" at the front of your name. I'll just attribute it to the closeness of the two characters on a standard qwerty keyboard.

Mr Kablammo
November 9, 2008, 09:29 PM
Don't forget, or learn now; the NRA ILA also features multi-gun raffles each year. The selection is usually pretty good even if the chance to win is not that great.

http://www.nra-ila.org/

Mr.1973
November 9, 2008, 09:34 PM
Any NRA discount membership coupons out there... like the $25 instead of $35?

Mr.1973
November 9, 2008, 09:41 PM
It is always good to "know your enemies", but by signing up at the brady site gives them more numbers to work with.

I signed up anyway. Good to know what the opposition is thinking!



I've lived 63 years and I know better. It is on BHO's to-do list, and for me, he is not to be trusted.

Two thumps up for NCsmitty!

Prince Yamato
November 9, 2008, 10:54 PM
You know, a good part of me wants to believe the Democrats who say, "it's not one of the top priorities". Until when though? One mass shooting and they'll shuttle a freakin' bill right through congress onto BO's desk and woop-dee-doo, no more AWs for anyone. That's because the Democrats rule by emotion. And right after a high-profile shooting, emotions run high. Politicians want to look like they are "doing something". The fact is, the only "buffer" between the AWB and whatever else is the "gun-show loophole" and that crap is probably going to get closed pretty quickly, which leaves them with "little to do" except for reinstate another AWB.

If these Democrats are really such great friends of gun owners, how about cutting us some slack, like repealing 922(r) or 922(o)?

Double Naught Spy
November 10, 2008, 05:52 AM
Double Naught Spy
started a negative trend on my Thread, can we please get back to the Fight For Our Right to Bear Arms Instead of fighting OURSELVES!

No, I started a realistic trend on the thead. If you think the war has just begun, then you needed a shot of realism (and the thread) to get back on track. Where have you been?

Why not just state the obvious. With a liberal dominated congress, the NRA needs a LOT MORE MONEY to pay for lobbying efforts which need to be stepped up 10 fold in order to stay on the ball as it costs a lot more to lobby the opposition than it does to lobby ones allies. The NRA needs a lot more money to publicly campaign for our rights to the people of the US because their lobbying efforts alone aren't going to work and given the liberal control of congress, it is that much more important to get the American population involved now than has been involved by the NRA previously.

This whole business about the Brady letter and self congratulations on how well we know our enemy because some of us get their emails is nothing but silliness and silliness that isn't productive to the fight.

Kind of Blued
November 10, 2008, 06:13 AM
I'm ashamed to be of the same genus and species as these things that e-mailed you. :barf:

Nevertheless, I like your style!

Infiltrate. Gain reconaissance. Report back. Flank 'em!

That makes me think, who would win in a Civil War II? :eek:

MT GUNNY
November 10, 2008, 04:06 PM
Double Naught Spy


[QUOTE]No, I started a realistic trend on the thead. If you think the war has just begun, then you needed a shot of realism (and the thread) to get back on track. Where have you been?[QUOTE]

NO you attacked other members post!

[QUOTE]Why not just state the obvious. With a liberal dominated congress, the NRA needs a LOT MORE MONEY to pay for lobbying efforts which need to be stepped up 10 fold in order to stay on the ball as it costs a lot more to lobby the opposition than it does to lobby ones allies. The NRA needs a lot more money to publicly campaign for our rights to the people of the US because their lobbying efforts alone aren't going to work and given the liberal control of congress, it is that much more important to get the American population involved now than has been involved by the NRA previously.[QUOTE]

Why Didnt you just say that in the first place!

[QUOTE]"This whole business about the Brady letter and self congratulations on how well we know our enemy because some of us get their emails is nothing but silliness and silliness that isn't productive to the fight."[QUOTE]

YOU think listening to MSNBC is going to get you the truth about the Brady Camp.

daorhgih
November 10, 2008, 09:23 PM
"" The "WHATEVER IT TAKES!" part tends to get people a little nervous. ""
They deserve to be nervous. But I have to admit that I lifted the phrase from a huge Multi-level Marketing regime that passed through the midwest some years ago. Of course, the guys at the top got big recruiting money off the top of each new enlistee. So the guilt-trip was thus: "If your children and spouse were behind the door of a burning house, would you do 'the best you could', or would you do 'WHATEVER it takes' to save them? So, sign up somebody!" I was laying it on the line, like some do (Charleton Heston for one) "...when they take it from my cold, dead hands!" And that's just how I feel. If I must die at the hands of my own Gubbmint, I want to be ringed about with lots of cold black-shirted bodies. But I will leave none of my compatriots behind, not even "little-'d' democrats." There is certainly room for your opinions here, bro. Selah.

daorhgih
November 10, 2008, 09:34 PM
But here's a plan that really works: sign up with the org. you hate, and send in $5.00. That gets you placed on their mailing-list. Every time you get their letters, they have spent postage-money and labor for a fruitless effort. You'll soon use up your donation with a lot to spare, plus you'll know what their efforts are leading to. "Infiltrate / annihilate" are good tactics. The State Department didn't spend thousands of bucks teaching me and several thousand others how to speak Chinese and Viet Namese so that we could BECOME communists, but so we could destroy a few. (We were winning when I left.) We can preserve RKBA, each one doing his part, feeding his favorite gorilla.

Sinixstar
November 10, 2008, 10:11 PM
daorhigh
I can certainly understand the "from my cold dead hands" sentiment.
My philosophy is always to prepare for the worst, but avoid it at all reasonable costs. The perception on the "anti" side is that we're all crazies preparing for war or some nonsense. Certainly not trying to censor anyone - I just know what they're reaction to phrases like that tends to be (and it makes most of us bang our heads on our desks). :)

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