AR15 gets bloodied, 278yds with a 7.62x39


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R.W.Dale
November 9, 2008, 05:04 PM
I met with sucess today in filling my doe tag. I had just decided to head back from the blind for some breakfast at about 9 this morning. Mere steps from where I parked the van off to one side of the cow pasture some movement in the distance caught my eye. It was two does standing broadside down below the hillside I had parked on. Counting my blessings for having had the foresight to put the range finder in my pocket. I immediately dropped onto my posterior and took a range reading on the largest deer which lasered out at 278yds downhill a goodly little bit. Uncharacteristically steady I put the rangefinder down and produced my AR in a STD sitting shooting stance. I had the rifle ZEROED at 200 meters so I put a little English on the crosshairs right behind the shoulder and squeezed the bang switch....

Since I had left the 3x9x40 scope on 3x I was rewarded with a great view of the doe rear almost straight up on it's hind legs and stumble off into the tree line appx 50yds away.

NOW THIS IS WHERE I MESSED UP not the cartridge.

Due to the great distance involved I took careful note of the location of where the doe entered the trees. Assuming she would have charged into the wooded area a goodly ways me and the wife decided to find the start of the boodtrail at the tree line and then wait 20 or 30 min. Well it turned out that the deer had lied down just inside the trees so when we arrived it bolted again into a recently clearcut area for a ways before expiring making retrieval a real chore.

But once tracked, retrieved and field dressed post mortum showed that my shot placment was almost perfect vertically although a tad farther forward than I would have liked. The 125grn Nosler B-Tip passed through the shoulder destroyed one lung and clipped the heart. I could not locate the bullet in the gooey mass but it was apparent it hadn't exited.

All in all not a shot I would normally take with a 7.62x39mm but in this one instance everything was perfect for me to attempt this shot. Calm wind, steady rest, known range and zero.

The rifle used was a Model 1 Sales 20" Ar15 flattop chambered for 7.62x39mm, the ammunition was a 2400fps handload shooting the 125grn Ballistic Tip. The deer weighed 98lbs field dressed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/krochus/Picture018.jpg

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Shawnee
November 9, 2008, 05:28 PM
Sorry Krochus... you'll have to put that deer back. The 7.62x39 doesn't have a good enough trajectory or enough recoil to kill deer at 278yds. :D

Splendid shooting ! Congrats !


:cool:

nathan
November 9, 2008, 05:38 PM
Those ballistic tip does wonders. In fact even if is in Russian 7.62 x 39 case, it still increases the ballistic coefficient performance.

koja48
November 9, 2008, 06:49 PM
Very well done. When the inventories return after the election panic, I reckon I need to add a 6.5 Creedmore DPMS deer rifle to the collection.

R.W.Dale
November 9, 2008, 09:44 PM
Sorry Krochus... you'll have to put that deer back. The 7.62x39 doesn't have a good enough trajectory or enough recoil to kill deer at 278yds.


OH I'll throw her back.....back into my gullet

Al Thompson
November 10, 2008, 09:20 AM
Excellent! :D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 10, 2008, 10:33 AM
That is just outstanding and mighty fine shot; hella nice story. :) But as the man said, you must be making that up - surely you misplaced your decimal and mean to say 27.8 yards! :p

Don't follow so soon, guys! When will we learn?! :p

Mp7
November 10, 2008, 10:51 AM
clap, clap.

WeŽll be here waiting for your next result,
when you show us with an SKS :)

gallo
November 10, 2008, 04:42 PM
Impressive! Were you in the sniper team in the military?

Geno
November 10, 2008, 05:29 PM
Impressive! Congratulations, and good dining.

janobles14
November 10, 2008, 06:13 PM
great job! someone needs to make this thread a sticky for the next time a person asks about using a x39for deer!

PotatoJudge
November 10, 2008, 08:13 PM
I could not locate the bullet in the gooey mass but it was apparent it hadn't exited.


That's been my experience with the Ballistic Tip as well.

tmajors
November 10, 2008, 08:36 PM
That pic kills TWO arguments. First being that the 7.62X39 isn't good enough for deer. Second being the AR-15 doesn't have a sporting/hunting purpose.

Kudos!

jaholder1971
November 10, 2008, 09:51 PM
I use Nosler 180 BT's in .308 and have yet to have a bullet exit either. Deer are always DRT and postmortem's sounds about the same.

R.W.Dale
November 12, 2008, 01:34 PM
Impressive! Were you in the sniper team in the military?

NO and nor did I play one on TV.......I did however stay in a holiday inn express last night

Mike2
November 12, 2008, 01:42 PM
Yum Yum!!!! Back strap........just doesnt get any better than that.

Tacbandit
November 12, 2008, 02:02 PM
Good job,.......Thanks for sharing.
By the way, there is something to be said for staying at a Holiday Inn Express
.......:)

steve4102
December 1, 2008, 01:42 AM
Hey krochus, nice job. My Ruger Mini-30 7.62x39 with custom .308 diameter bore drew blood this year as well. I also used the 125gr Ballistic Tip. My load is 125gr BT/26.5gr AA 1680/Lapua Brass/ Fed 210M for about 2480 fps zeroed at 125 yards. I took this little eight pointer at 158 yards. He ran about 30 feet and piled up. I also did not have an exit wound and I could not find the bullet.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/IMG_0711.jpg

frogomatic
December 1, 2008, 07:44 PM
took my first two deer with an SKS and the x39, glad to see I'm not the only one doing it. I've said it before, the x39 is an excellent cartridge within its intended range, mate it with a good rifle and quality handload, and you've got a real winner, as the two photos plainly show.

R.W.Dale
December 2, 2008, 07:01 AM
Nice deer Steve, nice rifle as well!

Those 125grn ballistic tips are great bullets provided you understand their limitations. If you want to be able to break both shoulders and still leave an exit they probably aren't the bullet for you. But slip one into the ribcage into the heart/lung area and you're deer won't be going very far.

Blakenzy
December 2, 2008, 07:37 AM
And who said hunters don't use EBRs?

Mail that pic to the Bradys :D

Ignition Override
February 8, 2009, 09:10 PM
Krochus:
I've never hunted and that looks like excellent shooting. Your location in nw AR is envious (hills, large forests, Buffalo, White Rivers etc).

With your skills and scope etc, would a generic Norinco SKS or Mini 30 have had a good chance of producing the same shot with basic Wolf jhp?

The question is not so academic, as my goal is to one day go with somebody to hunt for feral pigs; the meaner and more dangerous, the more I want to try it.
Just a middle-aged late-bloomer very frequent plinker who caught gun fever rather late in life.

R.W.Dale
February 8, 2009, 09:17 PM
With your skills and scope etc, would a generic Norinco SKS or Mini 30 have had a good chance of producing the same shot with basic Wolf jhp?

With factory loadings I personally wouldn't take shots beyond 200yds. But the platform will just depend on your ability and skill at placing shots and that will be the limit of your range. You could do the above with a Mini30 ranch rifle with a scope. But an SKS is likely not going to be up to the task unless you solve the optics mounting issue all SKS'i suffer from

gvnwst
February 8, 2009, 09:18 PM
Sweet shot krochus.

grimjaw
February 9, 2009, 11:12 PM
Sorry I'm late to this one.

krochus, you are a lucky man to even have a 278 yard line of sight shot in Arkansas that wasn't in the middle of a rice or soybean field. ;P

jm

R.W.Dale
February 10, 2009, 07:34 AM
Sorry I'm late to this one.

krochus, you are a lucky man to even have a 278 yard line of sight shot in Arkansas that wasn't in the middle of a rice or soybean field. ;P

jm

You'd be surprised at how long shots could be hunting the cattle land along the western border south of 40. Not like back east where it's either rice field or wooded swamp

Afy
February 10, 2009, 02:59 PM
Krochus you look angry... and frowny in the pic...
;)

R.W.Dale
February 10, 2009, 03:17 PM
Aside from my general ugliness I was very very winded from dragging the carcass through a clearcut. Which contrary to it's name isn't "clear" at all.

yeah I know I'm out of shape

grimjaw
February 10, 2009, 09:54 PM
You'd be surprised at how long shots could be hunting the cattle land along the western border south of 40. Not like back east where it's either rice field or wooded swamp

I wouldn't be surprised, but back east is all I got. :)

jm

Luv my 1897
May 26, 2009, 04:25 PM
DAMN! That is some good shooting! If I am not mistaken, doesn't the 7.62X39 have about the same ballistics as a 5.56mm? That is what I have heard since there isn't as much powder as in a 7.62X51. Correct me if I am wrong, though.

This just proves that it doesn't really matter what caliber you use, just personal skill with the rifle. NICE SHOT!! Right in the "kill zone." :eek: That is the deer's expression right after it was hit! LOL

shaggy430
May 26, 2009, 10:23 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, though.

You are quite wrong. 5.56 is very flat shooting. The 7.62x51 is the same as a .308 Win. A 7.62x39 is similar ballistically to a .30-30.

SHvar
May 28, 2009, 12:04 AM
I saw a .223 used at almost 400 yards in a new bolt action rifle, that doe leaped almost 10 ft straight up into the trees, then fell dead on the spot.
Nice shot, and nice rifle.

waiotahi52
May 30, 2009, 03:28 AM
Blimey, this gives me hope. I would not have tried to hit a bus(empty of course) side on with my mini 30 at that range. Wait till I get back out there,:-)

rhino57
June 8, 2009, 06:04 PM
I use an AR-15 knock off in 6.8SPC, I just enjoy hunting with that little Black Rifle as I see you do.
You Done Real Good Young Fella!

tvalJK
August 11, 2009, 12:14 PM
This is my CZ 527 Carbine cal 7,62x39:
I like it because it is very lightweight and small

- Homemade cheek plate
- BR-silencer
- first 6x42 swarovski but then 12x42 S&B
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/juky2200/metsastysjaaseet/IMG_2837.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/juky2200/metsastysjaaseet/IMG_3258.jpg

I can post shooting pics if anyone want..

OurSafeHome.net
August 11, 2009, 12:28 PM
Good shot, Rifleman!

krochus is both a Rifleman and a Sportsman.

BushyGuy
August 11, 2009, 12:42 PM
u must have sprayed and prayed cuz no way an 7.62x39mm has that much power to kill a deer out close to 300 yards....i figured you had ot aim like 2 feet above the deer i call it a lucky shot i wonder if a .223 rem can do the job also cuz they have better distance then a 7.62x39mm..

R.W.Dale
August 11, 2009, 02:36 PM
u must have sprayed and prayed cuz no way an 7.62x39mm has that much power to kill a deer out close to 300 yards....i figured you had ot aim like 2 feet above the deer i call it a lucky shot.

So I take it you read absolutely none of the original post huh:rolleyes:

i wonder if a .223 rem can do the job also cuz they have better distance then a 7.62x39mm.
you sure bout that buddy

300yd energy for 55grn .223 -520 ft lbs
300yd energy for my 7.62x39 handload -861 ft lbs

OH by the way some more of this deer is simmering on the stove as I type so I'm pretty sure 7.62x39 did have enough power to kill a deer " out close to 300 yards"

R.W.Dale
August 11, 2009, 02:46 PM
This is my CZ 527 Carbine cal 7,62x39:
I like it because it is very lightweight and small

- Homemade cheek plate
- BR-silencer
- first 6x42 swarovski but then 12x42 S&B
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/juky2200/metsastysjaaseet/IMG_2837.jpg[/IMG]
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb63/juky2200/metsastysjaaseet/IMG_3258.jpg[/IMG]

I can post shooting pics if anyone want..

Please do but you might want to start another thread in rifle country to do so.

Also welcome to THR

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
August 11, 2009, 09:59 PM
I can post shooting pics if anyone want..

Yes, we WANT! Nice rig. You in Scandinavia?

Ignition Override
August 13, 2009, 09:25 PM
krochus:

Thanks for putting it in a clear nutshell.

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