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joop
November 10, 2008, 06:24 PM
My friend and I are planning to backpack through kali in the spring, I was wondering where I could find information on the gun laws there which would pertain to an out-of-stater and also any general info I should know regarding carry laws and possession of other weapons like knives.

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Darthbauer
November 10, 2008, 06:28 PM
It really depends on where your going in CA. Laws will very from county to county and in different cities.

For the most part here, you can not carry. As simple as that.

ArmedBear
November 10, 2008, 06:30 PM
Tip #1: Nobody from California calls it "cali."

Tip #2: The place is huge. Someone would need a lot more information than you're giving to give an intelligent answer. Don't expect to read through the laws and understand them. Trust me on that.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

http://www.calguns.net is a great site, like this one, but for CA shooters. It is a much better place to find accurate information, since here you will probably soon see posts from people from other states who have nothing to add, but want to rant about California.

Darthbauer
November 10, 2008, 06:32 PM
Tip #1: Nobody from California calls it "cali."

Some people do and it makes me want to punch them in the face.

ArmedBear
November 10, 2008, 06:36 PM
Some people do and it makes me want to punch them in the face.

I have met people who came to CA at 18 and were trying to be cool by sounding like rappers or something, but never a native. But I'm sure it's happened.

Still, to the OP, even if someone you meet DOES call it that, don't do it as a visitor. It can certainly be a conversation-ender.

Unlike in some other areas, most Californians don't mind people from other places. But jerk-offs and *******s aren't well-liked anywhere, and whether or not you mean it to, saying "Cali" will brand one as a jerk-off.:)

Darthbauer
November 10, 2008, 06:37 PM
My sister in-law calls it Calli. :barf:


Where are you going once you get here?

ArmedBear
November 10, 2008, 06:41 PM
My sister in-law calls it Calli.

Guess you can't divorce your sister-in-law.:D

Andrew Wyatt
November 10, 2008, 07:19 PM
Spelling california with a K is also considered nekulturniy.

SoCalShooter
November 10, 2008, 07:32 PM
There is NO CARRY in ********** unless you are a law enforcement office we need more info but if your back packing in BLM area's then you can carry a weapon openly.

pbhome71
November 10, 2008, 09:06 PM
Johnny,

You are very funny. How true... LOL

I heard a bunch of friends from South Bay use "Frisco", though.

Joop,

Where are you planning to go? Usually folders are ok. OC is ok too, I think.
In addition to calsgun.net, Jim Keenan has a web-site which is informative, I can not find it at the moment.

I'll update this when I find it.

-Pat

BHP FAN
November 10, 2008, 09:20 PM
We've got carry up here in the North,just got to go through the Sheriff.

The Bushmaster
November 10, 2008, 11:54 PM
Cali...USSR of C...What ever...

Try www.handgunlaw.us

JohnnyOrygun
November 11, 2008, 02:09 AM
California :barf:

I hated living there (if you can call it living) Gun unfriendly, sales tax, too many laws and too many people telling you how to live and work. The company I used to work for had to take samples of rain water running off of the property and send it to a lab to be tested. It is rainwater for crying out loud.

But I digress, *********** (and I was born there) is one of the worst places to live in the USA and own guns. 10 day waiting period on all guns, special card to purchase a handgun, and classify air guns as firearms. When I was a teenager the neighbor called the Riverside County Sheriff on me for shooting (with a bb gun) the birds eating my Dad's fruit. The sheriff's deputy brought out paperwork saying that "firing" a firearm within 1 mile of an occupied residence was against the law, not sure of the actual distance but something along 1 mile. How does a bb gun count as a firearm, there is no fire... just air pressure. :banghead:

Any rate, you pretty much out of luck unless hunting or as some others have pointed out on BLM land. Open carry isn't legal, concealed carry is almost none existent, unless you are in Northern California, the attitude towards guns is definitely different in the North. I know that when I travel in/to California I have a loaded gun in the car, legal or not, I choose to be able to defend my family and for me that requires a gun. I am physically handicapped by bad hips and am barely able to walk, so I need a gun to protect my family. I don't go looking for trouble and try to avoid dangerous areas. I don't encourage anyone to break the law, but its an individual choice.

Oregon now is much more gun friendly and we have some great hiking areas and a lot less people trying to use the same trails, lakes, rivers, and beaches. No long lines of cars or people all trying to get to the same spot.

Don't mean to sound so "down" on california, but I really didn't like living there. It has a lot of good people and a lot of great sights, but the politics, laws and regulations, and some people have ruined a really nice place.

I have ranted e'nuff

JohnnyOrygun

A man with a gun!
November 11, 2008, 11:41 AM
Besides BLM. lands, open carry is perfectly legal on Forest Service lands within the state.

Unloaded open carry is also legal in unincorporated areas (and towns) of the state but with a host of restrictions such as within a thousand feet of a public school. What good does packing an unloaded pistol do anyway?

DocCas
November 11, 2008, 04:11 PM
JohnnyOrygun said:*********** (and I was born there) is one of the worst places to live in the USA and own guns.I beg to differ. I too was born here, and am still here 62 years later. California is a great place to live, work, raise a family, own guns and even shoot them often. Not to mention that of the top 10 most conservative members of the US Congress 9 of them are from California!10 day waiting period on all guns,Yep, except for some LEOs and special curios and relics. special card to purchase a handgun,Nope. You must take a firearm safety test, and some places issue cards indicating you have taken, and passed, the test but there is no special card. My CCW or open carry license, or even a copy of my POST certificate or a transcript from the Academy will suffice. and classify air guns as firearms.Yep, some are.The sheriff's deputy brought out paperwork saying that "firing" a firearm within 1 mile of an occupied residence was against the law, not sure of the actual distance but something along 1 mile.Hmmmm. Unless you lived in Eastern Tulare County in the area under the jurisdiction of the BLM which does have such a rule that one sounds bogus.Open carry isn't legal,With certain restrictions, open carry is legal in California.concealed carry is almost none existent,Nope. I have one right here on my right hip. :) unless you are in Northern California,Southern, San Diego, to be exact. :) the attitude towards guns is definitely different in the North. Not bad here, either. :)Don't mean to sound so "down" on california, but I really didn't like living there.Then don't! :D

The Bushmaster
November 11, 2008, 04:57 PM
Never was able to get a CCW in all the years I lived in California (the USSR of C). I have no police record and I was honorably discharged from the US Navy after 22 years service. And I tried. Seems I didn't have a good enough excuse to qualify for one. You know...Carry lots of diamonds or cash or be permanently threatened for life and limb. Living in calif. is a threat to life and limb. I now live in a state that trusts me with a concealed weapon...

harmonic
November 11, 2008, 05:16 PM
Wow. Talk about thread drift. I, too, lived in kali/kalifornistan and always loved going to frisco.

But back to the OP.

My friend and I are planning to backpack through kali in the spring, I was wondering where I could find information on the gun laws there which would pertain to an out-of-stater and also any general info I should know regarding carry laws and possession of other weapons like knives.


The kali DOJ's number is (916) 322-3360. You could call them. They are actually quite helpful and polite. Contrary to urban myth, they are also quite knowledgeable.

Also, join this site: http://www.calguns.net/
Those guys make it a career to know every gun law in the state.

I can tell you this much, if you're thinking about going onto Corps of Engineers land (Knights Ferry, anyone?) or federal land, there are absolutely no guns allowed.

But in the state forests you can open carry. Also, in state forests, your campsite is considered your domicile and you can have weapons there.

Zoogster
November 11, 2008, 05:24 PM
I can tell you this much, if you're thinking about going onto Corps of Engineers land (Knights Ferry, anyone?) or federal land, there are absolutely no guns allowed.

But in the state forests you can open carry. Also, in state forests, your campsite is considered your domicile and you can have weapons there.

Actualy that is the opposite of the truth.
State Parks and various forests are actualy off limits with severe penalties. Federal forests like National Forest are much more gun friendly.
BLM land is some of the most friendly to gun rights in the state, and that is also federal.
So the best land for gun rights, both national forests and BLM land are both federal.
While the absolute worst where it is a crime to even have a firearm inside them are State Parks and State Reserves, State monuments, etc
National Parks are also not firearm friendly, but are still more so than State Parks.

So clearly it is the Federal land that in general is far more gun friendly than State land.


For backpacking firearms rights are confusing. Many trails change from one territory to another. From a National Forest to a more restricted jurisdiction. So you need very detailed topo maps to stay legal, and the various agencies sell such maps for profit if you visit thier websites.

You generaly cannot just carry a firearm for self defense on most backpacking land. You can however carry one for "hunting". To legaly hunt you need to purchase a hunting license, and take a hunter's safety course.
What you are hunting changes the law on how many rounds you can legaly have in various types of firearms.

You can however legaly have any state legal firearm at your campsite in the state, as it becomes your legal temporary residence.
Your campsite is wherever you stop and setup camp while backpacking.
Technicaly it is legal to open carry an unloaded firearm without any license, even with ammunition on you. However some people have still had trouble with that as the police or prosecutors in some areas don't like what the law actualy says, and make up thier own version, so it is not advised.
CA law is relatively silent on legal transport of a long gun outside of a vehicle. For a pistol it must be unloaded. A pistol must also be in a locked case if concealed.

"Assault weapons" as defined by CA law (which differs from the old federal definition of the term) cannot be brought into the state. Nor can magazines that hold over 10 rounds.

Varmint hunting with a rifle does not cap capacity so 10 rounds is legal (state maximum), but shotgun magazine capacity is capped lower for all hunting. Game hunting allows fewer rounds for both rifles and shotguns.
So your best bet is a rifle for varmints, and a hunting license.

Fees for a hunting license are:
Annual resident $38.85.
Junior annual resident hunting license is $10.25.
Non resident annual hunting license is $134.95.
Two-Day Nonresident license, age 16 and over (not valid for big game) $38.85.
Reduced Fee, Disabled Veteran $6.00.
Duplicate Hunting License $6.30 .
Hunter Education Stamp is $3.75.

You will have to take a CA approved hunter education course for your hunting license.
That really is the only way to legaly provide for protection from 2 and 4 legged predators while backpacking. Some CA mountains do have a lot of mountain lions, which are a protected species within the state (heavy jail time).

So to legaly provide for your protection you will need to purchase a lot of topo maps with clear legaly defined borders that show changes in jurisdiction. You will need to purchase a hunting license. You will need to then follow hunting laws and limits whether you choose to actualy hunt or not.

Totaly cost to excercise your RKBA in some portions of the state for your longer than 2-day stay will probably cost over $200.
Non resident annual hunting license alone is $134.95.
The topo map costs will vary depending on detail and total area.
If you need to purchase CA legal magazines, change features, or purchase a whole new CA legal firearm that adds up.
That is assuming you are going to be hiking where hunting is even legal. Many of the most beautiful parts of CA do not allow firearms at all.

Welcome to CA.

harmonic
November 11, 2008, 05:40 PM
Actualy that is the opposite of the truth.


It's been a while since I lived there (3 years ago), but the Corps of Engineers land (such as Knight's Ferry) which is definitely federal, forbids firearms.

But I gave the OP the necessary numbers and website to call/visit. It would be extremely unwise for him to proceed with guns into kalifornistan based upon the opinions of anonymous posters on the internet.

harmonic
November 11, 2008, 06:07 PM
harmonic,how short is your memory?
It's SAN FRANCISCO!


You live in Miami and care what they call frisco?

Actually, when I lived there, we just called it "the city." As in, "I'm going to the city. Want to go?"

Zoogster
November 11, 2008, 06:25 PM
Oh in addition for the hunting route, hunting at night is not legal. So carry under the pretense of legal hunting would also be illegal.
If you are legaly carrying for hunting purposes then you must follow all relevant hunting laws, which are quite numerous and more restrictive than firearms legaly possessed for defensive purposes.
Which means you would need to make camp within an hour of dusk to remain legal (or unload your weapons, and put a pistol in a locked container if you wish to conceal it), and could not resume hiking on your way until just prior to sunrise.

Use of lights over 3volts is illegal when you are anywhere that has game animals if you possess a loaded weapon.

etc etc

A man with a gun!
November 11, 2008, 06:39 PM
I'd like to see the law quoted that says I need to have a hunting license to carry a gun on Forest Service lands within California.

joop
November 11, 2008, 07:02 PM
Thanks for all the information guys. I will have to go to those resources to find out the particulars for my situation.

---offtopic---
As for the cali vs california debate, all of my friends who live there call it cali so it must be just the company you keep.

:)

harmonic
November 11, 2008, 07:09 PM
all of my friends who live there call it cali so it must be just the company you keep.


Don't worry about it. ;)

Actually, my son is still there (the valley) and all my old friends. I never heard anybody refer to it as "cali" or San Fran as "frisco." But best of luck on your visit.

After having spent considerable time in the Sierras, Yosemite, Sequoias, the only place I ever felt the need to be armed was in LA, Oakland, Sacramento and San Fran.

shooter429
November 11, 2008, 07:35 PM
People are running north from Cali by the millions cuz it is the worst state in the union in terms of civil liberties, crime, environment etc. What does California have to offer? A lot of rich hippies and a bunch of illegal criminals with traffic and congestion that is unreal.

I am waiting for the earthquake that will drop it into the sea. Hopefully with all the dirtbags that destroyed it over the last 50 years attached.

Shooter429

shooter429
November 12, 2008, 01:49 AM
I specifically said "dirtbags" That is, the ones who have destroyed the state-the illegals, gangsters and immoral Hollywood elite. As to WA being liberal, I cannot argue against the point. What is in the mirror is a handsome, intelligent and caring person :)

Shooter429

Darthbauer
November 12, 2008, 01:57 AM
Cause lord know's if the place fell into the ocean only the criminals would be killed.

If an Earthquake takes CA into the ocean Washington is coming to.

Cuda
November 12, 2008, 02:03 AM
I'm a California native so I can say this.


It sucks don't go.

C

JohnnyOrygun
November 12, 2008, 03:26 AM
DocCas,

I know that you have to take a test and then you get the card, it's still a special card... is it hard to get.. no, but it's another impediment. I know because before I left ***********, I bought SA Mil Spec 45 and had to take the test. But when I buy in Oregon, no test or card required, if its a store they call the state police and do instant background check and viola! Your done. I know that as a LEO you don't have to wait for 10 days... but how many of us are LEO's I am not, my father was for a while. Oregon is a Shall Issue state, California isn't it's all up to the Sheriff and even then it seems that they can only issue in their jurisdiction. Ask all those people who are losing theirs in Orange County after the new sheriff told everyone they would be reviewed.

California is not gun friendly. California makes it hard for gun owners... not impossible, but very hard. As I said in my first post... I choose to have a gun in the car to protect my family, but that was my decision. Could I have gotten a CCW permit... no, I didn't have a "need" in California's eyes, but in Oregon... I don't "need" a reason, I want one and I get it.

But as to the OP, it's hard to carry a gun in California legally. Is it impossible? No, but it's hard for an everyday citizen to carry a gun in their car legally. If you are out hiking, I don't fully know what the laws are. You have to deal with BLM lands, State Lands, and National Parks, and etc. Each has it's own rules and laws and restrictions... but it's hard to keep a gun on you legally. If you are hunting, then you are allowed to have a gun, obviously... but it has to be unloaded while in transit. So Good Luck and Be Careful!!

DocCas, I am glad you enjoy California... I didn't and I don't and I have given up on California. San Fran and L.A. are where the population are and they are liberal and control the state. Even AHHHRnold is really a closet liberal and anti-gun. California is hard on gun owners... they even want you to register your guns you own when you move to the state... it's posted in the DMV offices. Maybe if they split the in to two pieces, that would help... but that won't happen. But if we all liked the same things and the same places it would be a boring world... so good luck to you.

JohnnyOrygun

The Bushmaster
November 12, 2008, 12:07 PM
"Seattle without the scenery"?? Seattle is one of the most scenic cities I have been in. Far more scenic then "frisco"...

I love being "off topic". Don't you?

harmonic
November 12, 2008, 01:00 PM
Far more scenic then "frisco"...


Yeah, but can you stand on the wharf while eating clam chowder out of a sourdough bowl on a crisp, chilly summer morning?

M14/11B
November 12, 2008, 01:01 PM
I have lived in Kommiefornia since I was six, and it was a wonderful place to grow up as a young'un. But I can actually remember the oppression begining when I was living in LA in the sixties. A little here, then a little there. Remember it was CA that brought you fine laws such as smog devices, seat belts and helmet laws(not necessarily bad but it should be up to the individual), smoking bans, diamond lanes, and of course our gun laws which are almost impossible to keep up with and overlap into fish and game laws, so you are probably always guilty of SOMETHING! This lets the law keep a leash on you and they can stop you for anything and be in the right for some trumped up charges because of an infraction you don't know about. I quit hunting here 25 years ago because of the hassle, it's not worth the aggravation.

M14

M14/11B
November 12, 2008, 01:18 PM
BTW, everyone I know in L.A. all my life has called it "frisco". No big deal. It was mostly to tick off the Frisconians anyway.

The Bushmaster
November 12, 2008, 01:45 PM
Harmonic...Yes...Pier 70 Seattle. Some of the best Clamchowder I have ever tasted and I've had the stuff in "frisco"...

Thanks Johnny Dollar...That nerve feels oh sooo much better now...:D

Darthbauer
November 12, 2008, 01:47 PM
I like how this just turned into another thread talking **** on CA.

ArmedBear
November 12, 2008, 01:47 PM
Yeah, but can you stand on the wharf while eating clam chowder out of a sourdough bowl on a crisp, chilly summer morning?

It's cold, but it's not crisp.

ArmedBear
November 12, 2008, 01:49 PM
I like how this just turned into another thread talking **** on CA.

Hence my advice first off. Go to Cal Guns for any real info on CA gun laws, etc. This is what always happens here.

CWL
November 12, 2008, 01:50 PM
Folks from Cupertino,Milpitas, Sunnyvale,et al.,happily use the "pejorative."

No we don't (real natives also don't lump Milpitas in with Cupertino and Sunnyvale). The only time we say "frisco" is to make fun of non-natives. Locals simply call it "the City".

Back to the OP, you can pretty much carry any length folding knife in CA as long as it isn't an automatic. CA State laws do not limit length of folders, only fixed blades and automatics over 2" in length. Do be careful about certain city ordinances though, but I doubt that you'd be rousted by any LEOs unless you were purposely looking for trouble.

ArmedBear
November 12, 2008, 01:52 PM
Locals simply call it "the City".


...which is why they're ridiculed by damn near everybody else. A certain group of San Franciscans, despite being convinced that they're cosmopolitan, are some of the most provincial bigots I've ever encountered.

This has a lot to do with Proposition 8's winning a majority. It was impossible for those who have too many prejudices and, though I don't care for the term these days, hate for those who don't think just like they do, to persuade the objects of their spite to support their cause.

Oohrah
November 12, 2008, 01:57 PM
Also moved north and never regreted the freedoms including firearms that
are found away from Kalli...fornia as the governor Arnie calls it. Been to
the same places Harmonic has in state, including Knight's Ferry on camp outs.
Early 60s it was a totally different place to live and visit. I consider it
pretty well destroyed, and have no desire to cross the boarder unless
necessary.
Carry stuff? Firearms laws vary too much to chance extensive travel
in the state. Options... without dealing with the many law changes over
the years, how about OC Spray or Tasers. A folding pocket knife in an
open carry case.
I have a friend nearby that pawned his shotgun in the Calif. town he lives
in. He went to pay his bill and claim his gun. Paperwork just as if it
was a new purchase $25, fee for paper work, not sure but there was one.
Oh yeah, a background check!!! Lastly a ten day wait period. Hello, as far
north as you can go without being in Oregon. He also is a medical retired
LEO with a carry card that is federal. The person that claimed the state
is firearms friendly, just never dealt with the real world of the state:cuss:
Please don't put yourself at risk by the carry of a handgun. Not having
knowledge of the laws will not get you out of jail free. State, county, city,
and Federal law can vary under many circumstances. The only one it does
not affect is the bad guy:fire:
Not a whole bunch of help, but unless you choose being an outlaw for
getting caught with a concealed or open carry, nix on your visit location.
Pretty sure that you are an outlaw if you OWN a handgun in Frisco and the
Bay area. I'm pretty sure this could change with thhe latest Supreme
Court ruling.:evil: Lots of luck on your journey!!!!!:D

expvideo
November 12, 2008, 03:24 PM
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My friend and I are planning to backpack through kali in the spring, I was wondering where I could find information on the gun laws there which would pertain to an out-of-stater and also any general info I should know regarding carry laws and possession of other weapons like knives.

Basically leave anything that you could use to defend yourself at home, and bring lube. Lots of lube.

Davo
November 13, 2008, 01:31 AM
Its seriously easier to not bring anything out here.
If you call it "The OC" and say
"For sure" you will get instant street cred.
"Frisco" is the soon to be capital of the 51'st state-New California.
Foods good and traffics bad.

7.62X25mm
November 13, 2008, 01:45 AM
Quote:
Tip #1: Nobody from California calls it "cali."
Some people do and it makes me want to punch them in the face.

Charming --

Please post a personal photo so we can keep a look out for you.

Gewehr98
November 16, 2008, 04:11 PM
Spelling california with a K is also considered nekulturniy.

Not when you're a former long-time ********** resident who escaped with his collection of now "illegal" firearms and 20-30 round magazines mere days before SB23 went into effect.

IOW, I've earned the right, and will continue to call it the PRK. YMMV, of course, especially if you can't get out of the Occupied Territories. :(

I did enjoy my weekend trips to San Francisco's Fisherman's Wharf for breadbowl chowder, though. Nice place to visit and all...

Darthbauer
November 16, 2008, 04:18 PM
Charming --

Please post a personal photo so we can keep a look out for you.


Ha. No. Don't say stupid crap and you won't get hit. Not here to be charming.

Jeff White
November 16, 2008, 04:36 PM
Tell you guy what, don't take the thread totally off topic and it won't be closed.

The Bushmaster
November 16, 2008, 04:36 PM
Davo...I thought that was to be Jefferson State. Everything north Sacramento...

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