A question of need in the face of election jitters


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The Wiry Irishman
November 11, 2008, 10:03 PM
Like everyone else, I was nervous about possible new regulations since well before the election. Fortunately, I have everything I'm interested in that might fall under the scope of new "assault weapons" legislation. However, I did want more mags for my FAL, and some of the 15-rounders for my FNP-45. I never quite got around to it, and since the election was decided, I started to look again.

So there I was, looking at the inflated prices for the mags I wanted, trying to justify the expense on my limited budget, when I got to thinking... What would I really accomplish by buying them? The main benefit would be having spares laying around if one of the ones I already had quit working in a legal environment where I couldn't just go out and buy another. But what if one does break? My FNP is a bedside gun, and I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where I'll have to shoot a home invader 42 times instead of 28. And what benefit do 15 round mags have over 14s, other than being able to say "neat! my gun holds 15 rounds of .45!"? And I have several FAL mags, at what point will I need to carry around more than a full battle pack loaded in mags? When will I be hurt by having a few less?

In the end, I decided I couldn't justify the expense. I did decide however, once I save enough money that I could, that it wouldn't go towards bannable mags, but to the NRA and SAF instead. If you think big picture, yes, if you get your mags and "high capacity" guns now, you'll most likely be set in the event of a ban. But what about the people that can't - those too young to buy firearms now, or those not yet born. They're out of luck. Less available firearms equals less new shooters, and could well spell the end of the gun culture in the U.S.

When I get it, some of my mag money will go to the NRA-ILA to fight new legislation when it's introduced, and some will go to the SAF to fight in court whatever gets past the NRA. Both groups seem to be very good at these respective rolls.

I'm not telling anyone what to do or what they should or should not buy, I'm just asking that you keep this in mind as you consider post-election purchases.

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BHP FAN
November 11, 2008, 10:42 PM
It'll all have been for nothing if they leave OUT the ''grandfather clause'',which I'm pretty sure is the plan.Buckle up,it's gonna be a wild ride.

Explorer1
November 11, 2008, 11:26 PM
"if they leave OUT the ''grandfather clause"
That statement seems to assume that all will really be turned in!

Just Jim
November 11, 2008, 11:39 PM
It really ought to be what alot of people are thinking now. You bought your guns and ammo, now how are you going to keep them??

If everything is peacefull through legistlation then the world will still go round. If they come to your door forcefully then things could get ugly.

You are right though, when they come to get them alot of ammo won't do you any good

cliffy
November 11, 2008, 11:47 PM
I hope it NEVER comes to this! cliffy

Gord
November 11, 2008, 11:52 PM
And then, of course, there are those of us who don't have to consider these things as we bought what we wanted before the election, at pre-election pricing.

I bought two AKs, I've got an AR kit form Del-Ton on the way, a dozen AK mags and ten AR mags. This was all stuff that I wanted, but always seemed to find other things to spend my money on (like tools, or computer parts, or any of my other hobbies). With the threat of a ban looming contingent on Obama's election - and a panicked rush guaranteed to happen, and drive up prices - it seemed as good a time as any to go ahead and prioritize this stuff.

As to why - magazines will eventually wear out or get busted. It may take a while, but it'll happen, even if the gun in question is just a plinker. With no sunset clause, it only makes sense to get enough mags to where you feel comfortable in having a "lifetime supply" if need be. I'm not planning to cart fifty loaded mags around with me in some imaginary SHTF scenario, and I bought accordingly.

Respectfully, just because you can't think of a particular use for having a quantity of x item over y amount, doesn't mean that others can't...

Kind of Blued
November 11, 2008, 11:55 PM
I bought my first gun 18 months ago, and started buying in anticipation of this 12 months ago... I'm nowhere near "settled". That being said, I'm still going to give as much as I can to the NRA and, now that you mentioned it, the SAF.

I had a similar realization. I seem to have FORGOTTEN than we'll still be able to buy 10 round mags. The most I'll ever put on a target as a "group" is ten rounds. I'll just use those and maybe once in a while, as a treat load up a 30 or 40 rounder and let 'er rip. :)

Now, THAT being said... I'm FREEGIN' OUTRAGED AND NOT ACCEPTING "FATE"! :cuss:

:)

newkahrman
November 12, 2008, 12:19 AM
I have the obamic flu as well. I am trying to sell one of my low capacity handguns so I can get a high cap while I still can. I see it not only as an investment, but being able to show my kids that it used to be like this. There weren't all of these regulations :banghead:. I do plan on joining NRA when I get my check. I am more worried about the ammo tax making it too expensive to shoot, than losing my guns. Oh wait, I sold my guns yesterday. How quickly I forget.

Gord
November 12, 2008, 12:26 AM
I am trying to sell one of my low capacity handguns so I can get a high cap while I still can.

Uh, just buy a couple of high-cap mags for the gun you want. The gun itself will still be available post-hypothetical-ban, just not the mags. No reason to spend a few hundred bucks on a handgun "while you still can." Relax.

The Wiry Irishman
November 12, 2008, 01:16 AM
Respectfully, just because you can't think of a particular use for having a quantity of x item over y amount, doesn't mean that others can't...

I didn't mean to imply that, apologies if it came across that way. In my situation it seemed like donations would be the wiser investment. No one else's situation is going to be the same. Just wanted to remind everyone that there's more you can do besides just stock up.

Prince Yamato
November 12, 2008, 02:14 AM
I personally hate panic buying, but this time, it's really a necessity. They are going to go for our guns for real. I'm sure there's a team of transitional advisers trying to formulate an AW ban that won't wreck Obama's political track. They probably want it to have more punch than the last one, but not so much of a punch that it causes civil unrest. My gut tells me, it'll still probably mirror the old ban very closely. Never-the-less, I don't feel like waiting 8+ years for the ban to go away to buy new hi-caps.

The more you buy, the more you show that these firearms really are "commonly used". On paper, it shows that Americans spent $ X Million on firearms immediately after Obama was elected. I don't care who you are; a sudden HUGE increase in gun purchases sends a message to Obama. At some point it looks less like panic buying and more like...well, let me put it this way:

What does it say about the incoming president, if the first thing people do upon his election, is run out and buy millions of dollars worth of guns?

Store shelves are being cleared, racks are left bare. It's not exaggeration. This is really happening.

Keep buying.

HeavenlySword
November 12, 2008, 03:25 AM
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It says the people are willing to die for him.

newkahrman
November 12, 2008, 11:20 PM
Just buying magazines is a great idea. I should have thought of that. I think I was just trying to justify buying a new gun. Mags and ammo. I can't relax.

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