Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws?


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Horsesense
November 11, 2008, 10:09 PM
http://www.converge.org.nz/pma/gunaus.htm

February, 2000
Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws

Latest official data from Australia shows a marked reduction in gun-related crime and injury following recent restrictions on the private ownership of firearms.

Twelve days after 35 people were shot dead by a single gunman in Tasmania, Australia's state and federal governments agreed to enact wide-ranging new gun control laws to curb firearm-related death and injury. Between July 1996 and August 1998, the new restrictions were brought into force. Since that time, key indicators for gun-related death and crime have shown encouraging results.

Firearm-Related Homicide

"There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998."

-- Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999

This report shows that as gun ownership has been progressively restricted since 1915, Australia's firearm homicide rate per 100,000 population has declined to almost half its 85-year average.

Homicide by Any Method

The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA.

The Institute of Criminology report Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999 includes 1998 homicide data showing "a 9% decrease from the rate in 1997." This is the period in which most of the country's new gun laws came into force.

Gun-Related Death by Any Cause

The Australian Bureau of Statistics counts all injury deaths, whether or not they are crime-related. The most recently available ABS figures show a total of 437 firearm-related deaths (homicide, suicide and unintentional) for 1997. This is the lowest number for 18 years.

The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.

"We have observed a decline in firearm-related death rates (essentially in firearm-related suicides) in most jurisdictions in Australia. We have also seen a declining trend in the percentage of robberies involving the use of firearms in Australia."

-- Mouzos, J. Firearm-related Violence: The Impact of the Nationwide Agreement on Firearms. Trends & Issues in Crime & Criminal Justice No. 116. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, May 1999; 6

Assault and Robbery

Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm.

"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."

-- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999

Firearm-Related Crime in Tasmania

"A declining firearm suicide rate, a declining firearm assault rate, a stable firearm robbery rate with a declining proportion of robberies committed with a firearm and a declining proportion of damage to property offences committed with a firearm suggest that firearm regulation has been successful in Tasmania."

-- Warner, Prof K. Firearm Deaths and Firearm Crime After Gun Licensing in Tasmania. Australian Institute of Criminology, 3rd National Outlook Symposium on Crime in Australia. Canberra, 22-23 Mar 1999.

Curbing Gun Proliferation in Australia

In the 1996-97 Australian gun buy-back, two-thirds of a million semi-automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns were sold to the government at market value. Thousands more gun owners volunteered their firearms for free, and nearly 700,000 guns were destroyed.

By destroying one-seventh of its estimated stock of firearms (the equivalent figure in the USA would be 30 million), Australia has significantly altered the composition of its civilian arsenal.

In addition, all remaining guns must be individually registered to their licensed owners, private firearm sales are no longer permitted and each gun purchase through a licensed arms dealer is scrutinised by police to establish a "genuine reason" for ownership. Possession of guns for self-defence is specifically prohibited, and very few civilians are permitted to own a handgun. All the nation's governments, police forces and police unions support the current gun laws.

Other Countries

Similar reductions in gun death and injury have been noted in several countries whose gun controls have been recently tightened.

In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low.

Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%.

A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.



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Sources: http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/facts99/

http://www.statistics.gov.au/ (see media release 68/99, 16 Jun 1999)

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi116.html

http://www.aic.gov.au/conferences/outlook99/warner.pdf

Philip Alpers, gun policy researcher

Auckland & San Francisco

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longdayjake
November 11, 2008, 10:32 PM
So, you're thinking, "did he stab me 5 times or 6?"

browningguy
November 11, 2008, 10:37 PM
Notice they all say "Gun" crime, then play down the incredible rise in all other (knives etc) types of crime. I go London a couple of times a year and the amount of crime is amazing now, something like 25% of British adults will be subject to a violent crime in their life. Once you disarm the larw abiding popiulation they are then perfect little sheep for the wolves to feed on, and then the bad guys don't need weapons, because the majority of people cannot defend themselves against multiple assailants.


Figures never lie, but liars can figure any way they want.

mbt2001
November 11, 2008, 10:52 PM
The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA.

So if you ban guns, human nature changes and no one wants to kill anymore...

BS

In the real world, boats rock... Liberty is worth the consequences if there are ever actually proven to be consequences.

Rustynuts
November 11, 2008, 10:58 PM
Here is the operative statement of that entire lot of gibberish.

"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."

Of course gun crime will reduce temporarily. Until the criminals get theirs by other means. They conveniently used a very short period following the ban when things are in disarray.

Beagle-zebub
November 11, 2008, 11:11 PM
Of course gun crime will reduce temporarily. Until the criminals get theirs by other means. They conveniently used a very short period following the ban when things are in disarray.

+1

I have a theory concerning the passage of laws and its effect on criminal activity: a temporary period of reduced crime sets in due to the new law, with the effect tapering off to nil as the criminal population learns to get around the new law with increasing universality. I'd liken this gravitation to that towards the natural rate of unemployment.

Kind of Blued
November 12, 2008, 01:16 AM
Who cares? Honestly? My wife won't stand a chance home alone against a 220lb. unwelcome criminal unless she has a gun, and luckily, she will, and won't have to die so that others can feel "safer".

bonza
November 12, 2008, 02:22 AM
Note also that the report was dated 2000. Things have seriously deteriorated in Australia since then. I've been back three times since 2000 & armed violence (gun & otherwise) is on the news constantly. Home Invasion is a big thing down there, something almost unheard of when I lived there.

harmonic
November 12, 2008, 02:36 AM
The article is dated 2000. That's ancient history. Why post it now? That's not the Australia of today. The experiment has failed.

RaisedByWolves
November 12, 2008, 02:40 AM
"The article is dated 2000. That's ancient history. Why post it now? That's not the Australia of today. The experiment has failed."

"Note also that the report was dated 2000. Things have seriously deteriorated in Australia since then. I've been back three times since 2000 & armed violence (gun & otherwise) is on the news constantly. Home Invasion is a big thing down there, something almost unheard of when I lived there.
"


:D


Who does things like this??



Oh wait, Democrats!

.

MD_Willington
November 12, 2008, 11:00 AM
I'm sure everyone has seen the video blurb of a convenience store that was robbed by a perp wielding a pitch fork, that one happened in Australia.

Humans will find another way...

Just One Shot
November 12, 2008, 11:07 AM
(This report originally published November 1998)

Australia:

OBSERVABLE FACT AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA



Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%.


Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%.


Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44%. (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)


In the state of Victoria, homicides-with-firearms are up 300%!


The steady decrease in homicides-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.


The steady decrease in armed-robbery-with-firearms that occurred during the previous 25 years became an increase in the last 12 months.


There has been a dramatic increase in breakins-and-assaults-of-the-elderly.


At the time of the ban, the Prime Minister said "self-defense is not a reason for owning a firearm".


From 1910 to present, homicides in Australia have averaged about 1.8-per-100,000 or lower, a safe society by any standard.


The ban has destroyed Australia's standings in some international sport shooting competitions.


The membership of the Australian Sports Shooting Association has increased by 200% in response to the ban and in an attempt to organize against further controls, which are expected.


Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain why no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns". Their response has been to "wait longer".

Just One Shot
November 12, 2008, 11:09 AM
10/12/99 - BBC News reports: Crime is doing GREAT in the UK!


Highlights from the BBC News Article


"...The crime rate is expected to soar for the first rise in five years when official figures are published this week..."


"...The new figures will also show an overall rise in violence and street crime, particularly in London, where violent crimes rose by more than 160%..."


"...In some areas of the capital, street crime has risen by more than 20%..."


"... One of the highest increases in recorded crime will be in the Dyfed Powys police area in Wales, where the new figures show an increase in robberies of 27% and a 43% rise in car thefts..."


"...violent crime has also risen by more than 60% in Kent..."

MagnumDweeb
November 12, 2008, 11:28 AM
Hey everyone, hate to be a bother but could you either post the sources on the info or PM it to me, I'm working on a recreational project on firearm banning and gun crime increases. Thanks.

Just Jim
November 12, 2008, 11:28 AM
You can't trust the statistics of a socialist government. They lie in order to keep fools believing in them, they have to. The truth be known and the people would never allow a socialist to govern.

You are going to get 4 years of socialism, and you deserve it.

jj

withdrawn34
November 12, 2008, 11:58 AM
That's odd how they dismiss other data about sexual assaults and robberies that don't specifically include a firearm. I didn't realize that now that people are defenseless any crimes done against them, which is on the rise, isn't really a crime anymore.

I guess in some parts of the world you can ban guns, go in and rape a woman, and the entire country celebrates. Great place.

rbernie
November 12, 2008, 12:06 PM
February, 2000
Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws
.....
Latest official data from Australia shows a marked reduction in gun-related crime and injury following recent restrictions on the private ownership of firearms.
And in other news, water is found by scientists to be wet.

Australia:

OBSERVABLE FACT AFTER 12 MONTHS OF DATA



Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2%.


Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6%.


Australia-wide, armed-robberies are up 44%. (yes, FORTY-FOUR PERCENT)
Exactly so. The use of a GUN in the commission of a crime dropped because there were fewer guns in circulation. But The Bad Guys still acted like Bad Guys.

Who'da thunk it?

Ben86
November 12, 2008, 12:11 PM
Oh my! I believe we've been infiltrated by an anti-gun activist trying to shove meaningless statistics down our throats. News Flash: It still doesn't make sense to disarm law bidding citizens. Criminals will still get their guns one way or the other.

FLR72
November 12, 2008, 12:21 PM
The water in the drain swirls the other way in Australia, are we going to try and copy that to??

TexasRifleman
November 12, 2008, 12:27 PM
Also this just in, since we are posting timely info from the year 2000.....

Turns out the Millenium bug did NOT cause the end of the world.

George Bush was elected President

Yankees win World Series.

Rxxdoc
November 12, 2008, 12:55 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/buyback-has-no-effect-on-murder-rate/2006/10/23/1161455665717.html

Yea right!

Bubba613
November 12, 2008, 01:50 PM
I'm with Kind of Blued. So what?
If you banned all cars or restricted them to driving 35mph all the time you would see a huge decrease in auto accidents.
The question is whether the decrease is worth the curtailment of civil liberties and the other economic costs.
It isn't imo.

withdrawn34
November 12, 2008, 02:29 PM
^^ Not true, Bubba. You just fell into the anti trap. Banning guns doesn't produce the results intimated by the article.

BBQLS1
November 12, 2008, 02:42 PM
If we ban automobiles, I bet the number of people killed in auto accidents will decrease too.

KBintheSLC
November 12, 2008, 03:02 PM
"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."

Gee Wally... that makes me feel much better.

Maybe if they had more CCW'ers, those armed robbers would think twice.

JDoe
November 12, 2008, 10:24 PM
There is always this report released less than 2 months ago...

For immediate release 15 September 2008 (http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/pressreleases/pr150908-noeffect.html)

The Jury’s In: $700 million plus spent on Australia’s gun buy-backs
has had no effect on firearm deaths

Topic: The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths, Dr Wang-Sheng Lee and Dr Sandy Suardi, The University of Melbourne, Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research.


The Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia (SSAA) Inc has welcomed the findings of a Melbourne Institute paper that concludes the high expenditures incurred to fund the 1996 and 2003 Australian gun buy-backs have not translated into ‘any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths’.

The authors Dr Lee, a professional researcher, and Dr Suardi, a senior lecturer at the University of Melbourne, examined all prior research on the buy-backs and applied numerous scientifically accepted statistical tests to data emanating from as far back as World War One.

The authors have no vested interest in their findings and no affiliations with any previous authors on the subject.

Not only do the authors find that there has been no tangible reduction in homicide, but they also find there has been no effect on suicide rates in Australia because of the buy-backs, initiated by the then Prime Minister John Howard in 1996 to ‘make Australia a safer community’.

Of course, the findings are of no surprise to the SSAA, which has long decried the buy-backs as nothing more than political ploys to placate an uneducated public’s fears.

With the benefit of more than 10 years hindsight and statistics available since the initial buy-back in 1996 now available to academics, the jury on the effectiveness of buying and destroying legal firearms from law-abiding and licensed sporting shooters is in. It is a shameful waste of public money.

At the time of the 1996 buy-back, the SSAA urged back that the money would be better spent on mental health initiatives. Unsurprisingly, research from the government’s own agencies has shown time and time again, that it is the mentally ill and the criminals who perpetrate acts of violence with firearms, not the licensed sporting shooter.

Our only hope is that today’s politicians of all persuasions have learnt from the lessons of the past and will think twice about targeting and persecuting licensed shooters for the acts of the criminal or mentally ill.

For a .pdf version of The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths by Dr Wang-Sheng Lee and Dr Sandy Suardi, go to http://www.ssaa.org.au/capitalnews/2008/2008-09-04_melbourne-uni-paper-Aust-gun-buyback.pdf

For national-based SSAA queries, contact:

Tim Bannister
SSAA National Federal Parliamentary Lobbyist
edmp@ssaa.org.au
www.ssaa.org.au

ServiceSoon
November 12, 2008, 10:24 PM
The argument is that preventing everybody from possessing firearms is better for society as a hole. Note this model doesn't take into consideration the individual.

The only problem is that a study conducted by the Center for Disease Control, a Harvard study & many real world examples continually prove that is not the case. The anti's continue to use deceit and lie to promote their agenda.

FLA2760
November 12, 2008, 10:35 PM
Gun control does NOTHING to reduce crime. All it does is make it harder for the law abiding to legally arm themselves and easier for the criminal to ply their "trade" The criminals will get guns. Bans encourage the black market. Remember Prohibition?

withdrawn34
November 12, 2008, 11:21 PM
Interesting how this study is done by professionals using thorough methods; meanwhile, the "anti" crowd usually states one or two statistics which only superficially seem relevant but a simple logical analogy usually show it to be a weak form of evidence.

Of course, that is the difference between anti's and responsible firearm owners. One uses logic, the other does not; I'm sure we can all identify the more logical crowd.

RioShooter
November 13, 2008, 12:17 PM
Horsesense,

I'm curious why you decided to post a story that is almost a decade old.
What's the point? :confused:

Horsesense
November 13, 2008, 12:41 PM
I posted it for a couple of reasons.

First, I was very busy but needed to find a rebuttal for that particular article ASAP and I knew that my friends at THR would shred this article before I could spell Google.

Secondly, I thought it would be a good discussion and I wanted to see what directions it took. I expected that inconsistency, exaggerations etc. between the anti “logic” of 2000 and 2008 would be brought to light.


BTW: I have been a member hear for over 5years...you didn't think I was a Troll did you? I was completely unaware of the hubub going on between http://www.thehighroad and http://www.thehighroad.US until this a.m.

ZombieHunter
November 13, 2008, 01:04 PM
everyone should send a copy, both email and paper, to their congresscritter. "dear congresscritter, please read and demonstrate that you aren't an idiot."

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