The Election is over! November 4th Happened! Get Over it!!


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Jeff White
November 11, 2008, 11:23 PM
The whining and hand wringing about the election needs to stop. The election happened. It's a done deal. No one is doing anyone else any good by wasting bandwidth here.

If you just want to whine and run around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" then take it somewhere else. We're not doing that here anymore. One week to whine is enough. It's time to get past the disbelief and refusal to accept stage of grief. By now you need to be past the anger stage, into the acceptance stage and start thinking positively about how we are going to hold on to our rights.

If you have some constructive ideas about how to fight any prospective antigun legislation then start a thread in Activism.

Threads are going to start vanishing. We have a no politics rule and the staff isn't going to spend the next 4 or 8 years policing threads that do nothing more then cry and moan about how we have an antigun president. You are preaching to the choir. If everyone who has started a thread or posted in a thread whining and moaning about what happened had devoted the same energy to getting out there and working to elect progun candidates, then we might not be where we are today. That is the challenge we face. We are better then what some of the threads and posts that are being made show us to be.

Now get out there and turn the anger, rage and fear into positive actions. Take someone shooting, write letters to the editor, get involved in local politics.....No more wasting energy and bandwidth here with complaining and whining.

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moewadle
November 12, 2008, 01:21 AM
Improve the hand to the best of your ability, always playing by the rules. Yesterday is a memory, tomorrow is but a dream, so we only have today. Use this day for something more constructive than griping.

OAKVILLE SHOOTER
November 12, 2008, 10:47 AM
Start by spending the "whine time" by joining or up-grading your NRA membership. Then, start writing your Senators and Congressmen.

1 old 0311
November 12, 2008, 10:48 AM
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am SO tired of reading those.

ants
November 12, 2008, 11:54 AM
Thank you kindly, Jeff.

Now, let's all get back to the fight. We have work to do.

sm
November 12, 2008, 02:09 PM
Goodness gracious great balls of fire!

Jeff,
Are you nuts!
It is so much easier to build up one's self by tearing others down. All that energy that should be used to fight Tyranny and preserve Freedom is <gulb> work!

Woeing, Wringing and Whining, are the triad of Tyranny besting folks in order for Tyranny to survive and perpetuate.

WE gots teh Intraw3bz now, so we can communicate with more folks and faster all over the word these 3Ws, and really show the world how great the USA really is.

<kicks rocks> Some Moderators just don't get "it" is seems....


*snark*
*kidding mod*

1858rem
November 12, 2008, 03:41 PM
cant be too hard to hide yer guns for 4-8yrs....invest in a good set of cans for yer guns an you can shoot em a little too lol

RP88
November 12, 2008, 05:26 PM
I doubt that it'll stop, considering how 'wedgified' people are on here, but I'm glad to hopefully see that crap get taken off the board. thanks for giving us a board and doing a good job with it.

Treo
November 12, 2008, 05:29 PM
According to Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, grief occurs in 5 stages over 2 years (approximately) The stages are
Denial
Anger
Bargining
Depression
Acceptance

They do not occur in a linear progression and you may feel several or all of them at once. There are people here that literally will grieve over this election (especially if Obama does make things difficult for gun owners ) for the full two years. If ,on the other hand, we are able to make progress the grieving process could be greatly shortened.

Either way while I undertand that political threads are contrary to the mission of THR saying "a week's Long enough get over it" is a little heartless.

BullfrogKen
November 12, 2008, 05:46 PM
Either way while I undertand that political threads are contrary to the mission of THR saying "a week's Long enough get over it" is a little heartless.

You are assuming Jeff actually has a heart.

Mrs. Armoredman
November 12, 2008, 05:54 PM
Thank you Jeff. I am getting sick of the whining too. I am just going to fight for my rights when and if the time comes. I have gotten over it and I have every intention of following what goes on in the news.

Merkelman
November 12, 2008, 08:18 PM
Amen, the least of Barak Hussein Obama's worries is gun control!! We are in the biggest financial melt- down of our lives.If he can't fix that, nothing else matters much!

gym
November 12, 2008, 10:44 PM
I have carried through 5 or 6 presdents, it really didn't affect me one way or the other. New boss same as the old boss. They only care about the perception of how they are viewed. They probablly all have a gun someware. They love the power of the office and guns are a symbol of power.

camslam
November 13, 2008, 03:02 PM
:rolleyes:

larry starling
November 13, 2008, 04:23 PM
If you want to do something call your congressman and talk to him about it. I did today and thought it was worthwhile. Here is the phone number to the congressional operator 1-202-225-3121

It takes longer to post on this forum than it does to be active and make the call! And FWIW join the NRA or one of the other pro 2nd organizations.

Ignition Override
November 14, 2008, 12:36 AM
Very good points up there.

And avoiding the panic-shopping will help reduce our exposure to scalping by our favorite (incl. one former) Internet ammo/gun {show} businesses.
I.e. '@^^ ^^0dude'.

People might make more rational decisions about what they might need, not just what they feel that they want right now. One might be traded for another later, unless impulses of impatience take over.
Military-style carbines forever, whether US or Russian-designed.

GEM
November 14, 2008, 10:10 AM
Denial
Anger
Bargining
Depression
Acceptance

and then you're a ZOMBIE!

Great post, some still don't get it.

ConstitutionCowboy
November 14, 2008, 10:11 AM
You are preaching to the choir.

The choir ain't the only folks reading this stuff, looking for input, wondering what other people think, who's to blame and why, and what can be done about it. It can't be of any use if no one can put a finger on it.

Silence is one of the building blocks of ignorance. That's why the old Soviet Union controlled and censored the news.

Woody

GEM
November 14, 2008, 10:16 AM
Jeff's point is that in part - you just see hysterics that make gun owners look like nuts. Postulating the end of the United States and chest pounding that you are going to fight the UN and lead a rebellion is not going to convince one person who is undecided that the RKBA is a worthy cause.

The election was lost for gun owners because of an stupid and unsophisticated view of politics and the dynamics of the USA. Ranting about guns didn't mean jack squat in this election, except for some of the choir.

wellthought
November 14, 2008, 10:35 AM
In addition to contacting my congress people, I even contacted a liberal writer for the "coalition to stop gun violence" and had some constructive email dialog with him about a piece he wrote some months back where he implied that people with mental illness are somehow more violent than the general public. I explained to him that the average reader could see right through the ink on the paper and read between the lines to see his underlying message. He had stated that mentally ill veterans posed a "special risk" in owning guns!

TooTaxed
November 14, 2008, 11:40 AM
Invite some new non-shooters to the range, and introduce them to shooting using .22's (nothing more noisy or kicking!). Especially women...emphasize that shooting is primarily a skill sport, getting those holes in paper in tighter and tighter groups...de-emphasize the hunting/killing possibllities. We need more shooting converts!

Volunteer to give non-shooters safety courses, even with no shooting involved. Teach 'em how to pick up a gun with their finger along the action rather than on the trigger, and to always check any gun they pick up to make sure it's not loaded, even at the range. We need to minimize the possibility of home accidents.

Write and visit your legislaters, and very respectfully and politely explain your views...and why you have them.

Walkalong
November 14, 2008, 01:24 PM
Personally, I am still pissed, but I have not been whining about it at least. Just thinking of what we need to do now.

wacki
November 15, 2008, 10:36 AM
get involved in local politics.....

This advice, coming from a 'politics is banned' forum? :scrutiny:

Jeff White
November 15, 2008, 01:44 PM
[Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff White
get involved in local politics.....

This advice, coming from a 'politics is banned' forum?

Discussion of politics is banned. Actually participating in the problem is encouraged. We even have a subforum dedicated to getting involved. It's called Activism.

indyk
November 16, 2008, 10:14 PM
+1 moewadle!:D

Sean Dempsey
November 17, 2008, 10:50 AM
My old saying is that "the best way to get over an old girlfriend, is to get under a new one."

Not sure if that applies here.

Old Guy
November 23, 2008, 12:57 PM
My lovely Wife talked me into watching 60 minutes with the new President to be, and his highly educated, and articulate Wife.

This Mum and Dad, are truly loving parents, and who love each other, or if not they should claim the highest acting award in Hollywood!

I think the new first Family will be a credit to the United States of America.

I was born in England, lived in Australia, and Canada. Love the US of A, love my State, Florida. Carry a Glock 19 every day. And at 73 years of age, know my own mind, as a friend of mine (US born ex-Marine 72 YOA) said, "when my new Commander in Chief takes the baton, he will be saluted by me."

God bless the USA.

TooTaxed
November 23, 2008, 06:57 PM
Since the election, even with no special advertising, our gun club is burgeoning! Our memberships are 12-months from sign-up, but we have a fairly high membership turnover as many of our members are service people. Our norm has been about 50 to 60 new members/month...but last month we jumped to 96, and so far this month, with 1-1/2 weeks to go, we are up to 105 for the month! Gun and ammunition sales are similarly skyrocketing, and our range (on which I work 9-hr Saturdays as Range Safety Officer, is nearly full a large part of the time.

My point: the more people involved in shooting, the larger our gun clubs, the more seriously the elected folks will take our concerns. Too many people have never been introduced to the shooting sports, are simply afraid of guns, and fear them through basic ignorance. Take a non-shooting friend shooting!

cornman
November 23, 2008, 10:55 PM
What Old Guy said...

sig220mw
November 24, 2008, 08:18 AM
We successfully fought back in 1994 and got pro gun legislators elected. We can do it again. As usual, the liberals will mistakenly think they have a mandate and attempt to over reach and enough of the complacent people will wake up.

TooTaxed
November 24, 2008, 08:47 AM
M.D.WOODS, you are quite right! We may not be able to keep laws from being enacted, but we can lessen the effects by attaching amendments, such as the sunset date on the first Kennedy assault weapons ban. Otherwise, ir seems difficult to repeal even bad laws...:barf:

About the only silver lining...a restrictive gun law will provide fresh proof that when guns are removed from law-abiding people, total crime always rises.:banghead:

Grassman
November 26, 2008, 09:48 PM
I'm still not accepting it. Sorry, but I need more time.

INSULATION TIM
November 29, 2008, 09:24 AM
Hi....a 61 year old newbie here. I have spent the last several months at another forum and I am glad that someone here has finally said Enough is Enough. Move On.

Though very disappointed in the results, I agree, move on. Here's the hand....now figure out how to make the best of it!

moewadle
November 30, 2008, 10:26 PM
and do not wander too afar from the subject of the thread.

Hollowdweller
December 4, 2008, 09:09 PM
I'm not so worried despite the presidents anti gun leanings.

I'm sure a lot of the area he formerly represented being an urban area was for gun control and he was "dancing with who brung him" to a degree. After all LBJ voted consistently against civil rights legislation as a congressman.

Second his chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel encouraged democrats who were pro gun or pro life to run in formerly republican areas so at least from his standpoint having more votes on gun control was not his top priority.

Third I just don't see the president making a lot of the dems from rural areas "walk the plank" for gun control since Clintons himself said it was why they lost congress in 94. I just don't see for instance John Tester of Mt or Webb of VA (who got in trouble for bringing a pistol with him to Washington) signing onto anything. I see the 2nd amendment dems joining with the Republicans to filibuster anything like that.

FOURTH Columbine was a big factor in getting what was passed in the Clinton admin passed. The fact that after the Virginia Tech shootings the newly Dem controlled house did not roll out a lot of gun control shows Pelosi knows it is a LOSER issue for the dems and they have more important things to do. Like stay elected:evil:

Whew!

chuckusaret
December 6, 2008, 12:36 PM
We must work together to show voter force against any and all efforts to restrict gun ownership by our politicians. I am going to participate/support all gun groups in a effort to work against any ban/restrictions on personnal ownership weapons or ammunition. I will vote against every elected official that has voted on any type of legistration to ban/restrict guns/ammunition or has indicated he will support any type of future gun/ammunition restrictions. I believe the planned 2nd amendment March 2009 to D.C. is just one of the ways to tell our elected officials of the gun owners determination to not allow them to change the Constitution.

flatdog
December 6, 2008, 11:22 PM
The polls closed at 2000 hrs. here today and the Louisiana Secretary of State has reported this result on his website.

Look at the margin of victory and tell yourself that your vote won't matter.

Dr. Fleming (R) is the man we needed in this race.



U. S. Representative, 4th Congressional District
640 of 640 precincts reporting

44,141 47.69% Paul J. Carmouche, D -
44,497 48.07% John Fleming, R

dsdanger
December 11, 2008, 02:40 AM
Taking Jeff's advice to heart, I took an Obama supporter shooting last month. Last week he purchased his very own handgun. :)

AKGuy
December 12, 2008, 07:11 PM
Thanks, Jeff. Aside from the pointlessness of arguing over differences rather than concentrating on similarities, there's a definite "screaming hysterical howler monkey" mentality manifesting itself to everyone's detriment already (and I'm not just talking about fanatics at either end of the spectrum making the "normal" folks in the middle nervous about perceived guilt by association)...prices are skyrocketing and supplies are plummeting. Merchants are...well...merchants, and they're happy to make a buck in the market while the fear-frenzy continues.

Then again...maybe a little bit of the gun-frenzy is coming from people seeing the financial meltdown in-progress and getting a little (justifiably in my book) twitchy about the implications for social/economic upheaval.

Funny, though, how a lot of the same people who refuse to recognize the well-documented socio-economic roots of most crime all of a sudden are making that same connection and warning of a coming apocalypse based on...guess what: socio-economic decline.

Go figure.

"If you can keep your head when all about you others are losing theirs...then you are a man" (or something like that, to paraphrase TS Elliot)

chuckusaret
December 13, 2008, 11:26 AM
Hey, the gun buying has done one thing here in my area of south east Florida, muggings, convienice store robberies and home invasions are down after several new gun owners used deadly force to defend their store or themselves.

38 Super Auto
December 13, 2008, 01:01 PM
So far, BHO has has not shown us his fast ball. He's throwing sliders and off speed stuff down the middle and and middle away. I think everybody is on edge from his far left agenda, as evidenced by his speech, interviews, and voting record. He has clearly stated that he wants to ban certain guns and implement oppressive controls on our God given (natural) rights.

Now, it he has any political savvy to speak of, he'll concentrate on cleaning up the effects of his party's bad decisions and policies, e.g., the no-drill/no-refine energy policy and the financial disaster spawned by coercing lenders to lend money to unfit borrowers.

If he has any political sense whatsoever, he'll fix the obvious ills of the USA, before he tries to take us the way of the Bolsheviks and Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labor Party.

cheers,

rob

The_Shootist
December 14, 2008, 01:25 AM
That is - if BHO doesn't take the oath of office in bracelets :evil:

Sinixstar
December 14, 2008, 01:34 AM
FOURTH Columbine was a big factor in getting what was passed in the Clinton admin passed. The fact that after the Virginia Tech shootings the newly Dem controlled house did not roll out a lot of gun control shows Pelosi knows it is a LOSER issue for the dems and they have more important things to do. Like stay elected

Reid has far more to lose then Pelosi. I wouldn't put it past her to try to push for it anyways. What does she care - she's from California. It's not going to cost her votes.
Reid on the other hand is from NV - where even the California hippie transplants have a shotgun or two. He made a move on this stuff- he'd be gone, quick.

TooTaxed
December 14, 2008, 09:58 AM
I just received a warning from NRA-ILA about this, and there's a front page article in todays World Net Daily on it, so I assume it's heating up again...timely for the newly elected state legislatures to consider? Apparently this bill is already in submission in 18 state legislatures...I thought it was old, as ********** has already adopted it, though the capability for employing it hasn't yet been developed. Possibly it is old, and the bills are in limbo...but not dead? SNOPES has nothing on it.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

As written, this:

1. Makes currently owned ammunition illegal.

2. Vastly increases the cost of new ammunition.

3. Requires registration and tracking of new coded ammunition purchases.

4. Ends ammunition reloading.

5. Has no effect on criminal use of guns in crime.

Hopefully the newly elected state and federal goveernments will be inclined to protect us from this mess....:rolleyes:

Dday
December 17, 2008, 05:33 PM
Your B-Ball analogy is on target, but as far as his political savvy, I wonder if your've considered this...

BHO has almost no chance of delivering on his many promises (The economy is a mess and will remain that way regardless of what he does. Government healthcare for everyone was, and still is, an obsurd notion - especially with the economy as it is.)

Given that he isn't likely to come through on his promises, he needs to find something else he can deleiver to America to hang his hat on. With a very supportive congress that is so radically left, (it is farther left than at any time in my 53 years on this planet) he'll have almost no trouble getting tougher gun laws enacted. It is only a matter of time until he figures this out (he probably already has). After passing tougher legislation, his friends at CNN and NBC will "spin-up" the story to make him sound like the second coming of JHChrist for "making the nation safer". (Total leftist tripe of course).

BTW -- .38 Super used to be my favorite weapon back in the day. Had a MarkIV Series 70 that shot very tight groups until funds were needed and it was sold for emergency cash -- sure wish I still had it!!!

TooTaxed
December 17, 2008, 07:04 PM
DDay...I fear you are right on target.:cuss:

Jeff White
December 17, 2008, 09:31 PM
And since this thread has drifted into political defeatism, it's done.

Beren
January 20, 2009, 02:29 PM
There are two items I'd like anyone interested in the topic to read. Please consider carefully how you react to the events of the past few months, and how you will focus your efforts to safeguarding our rights. As Jeff said, we have an Activism forum. Get involved! Yes we...er..y'know.

Activism Forum:

http://thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

Beren Recommended Reading for the Day:

http://www.americasright.com/2009/01/his-failure-is-our-failure-his-success.html

http://www.americasright.com/2009/01/danger-of-obama-derangement-syndrome.html

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