[Peetmoss]

Not sure if this goes here or not so please move if I made a mistake on the folder.

I just noticed that Savage will not service any Savage firearm made before 11-1-1995. That really well stinks and has pretty much turned me off from buying one. I regret getting one for my father for xmas last year. Should have bought the Remington 700 instead. Any other company's pulling this crap.:cuss:

[cookhj]

i believe that during that time savage arms was owned by a different company, and they weren't well made. now they are owned by themselves again (i think) and the quality is much better. they have a company bio on their website. they probably don't service them because the weapons produced then aren't worth the time and money to do it.

[AZRickD]

1995 is right around the point where Savage rifles got good and Remington began having QA problems.

Nonetheless, it would have been a good gesture to fix those early rifles. After all, they just lost a sale from you, right?

Rick

[Redlg155]

Savage Arms Inc. will provide service on all firearms manufactured after November 1, 1995 (prior to serial #F498821), as this was the date Savage was acquired by its current management. We regret we are unable to provide service for firearms made prior to November 1, 1995 but our current judicial system allows frivolous lawsuits, as evidenced by the number of state and city suits filed against the firearms industry. If the new Savage company serviced products made before November 1, 1995 (prior to serial #F498821), we could be considered responsible for the prior owners liabilities, real or imagined.


Well..sounds as though they are wanting to avoid any lawsuits. At least the reasoning is there. On the site they also give a list of places that you can purchase replacement parts for those in the affected range.

The new Warranty is 1 year. Anyone know what the previous warranty period was? If it was one year then all of the affected serial numbered weapons were well out of the warranty time period. If they would have serviced them it would be on your dollar, not theirs.

Now had they advertised a lifetime warranty...well, there's definite reason to be pissed.

Good Shooting
Red

[Futo Inu]

They wouldn't be responsible for anything (said real or imagined liability) if they performed the simple act of having the customer sign a waiver before working on guns from that era. Smoke and mirrors - don't blame you for being hacked - it's simply a cost thing, due to the quality of those rifles - if they didn't like it, they should have changed the name of the rifles upon the acquisition.

[Art Eatman]

Futo, I gotta disagree with you about the "cop-out" aspect. In today's world? I mean, think "McDonald's coffee" and suchlike. Were some lawsuit brought in, say, Kalifornia or Maryland, all the waivers in the world wouldn't save you!

It's an evil, nasty old gunmaker; heck, they sue the manufacturers of playground equipment, nowadays! (Which is why swings, slides and monkey bars have been removed from so many playgrounds. Take away children's favorite playthings so the children will be safe, bored, and experimenting with drugs.)

Pardon my cynical view of our brave new world...

Art

[Peetmoss]

Warrenty isn't the issue. It's the fact that they will not service a product with there name on it, that was most likley produced buy most of the same people, and the same machines, using probably the same basic designs.

IMNSHO they should service these firearms. They should have competent gunsmiths who can tell if the gun is relitivly safe or not. In my opinion they are still liable no matter what. They own the company now. If a pre 11 -1-95 gun blows up they are going to be sued anyway.

I just have no confidence that they wont pull the same crap again if they are bought out yet again.

[dakotasin]

sure is nice to not be the only anti-savage person...

i used to like savages, but after dealing w/ them on a problem rifle that i bought new (which easily fell within the 1-yr warranty period as i contacted them the very next day), i'll have no more of that trash in my house.

don't know what to tell ya that could ease your pain, though.

[Daniel T]

They wouldn't be responsible for anything (said real or imagined liability) if they performed the simple act of having the customer sign a waiver before working on guns from that era.

In some states, like Texas, waivers are meaningless. You cannot sign away your right to sue.

In other states, it may be easy to convince a jury of bobble-headed idiots that you didn't understand what you were signing when you signed a waiver.