a simple question....


November 13, 2008, 09:57 AM
how many have jumped ship over to the .us sight.

I'm not really interested in getting stuck in the middle of this tiff.

But it looks like it's not going to be avoidable.

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November 13, 2008, 10:03 AM
I am staying at this site (org) When checking the "currently active users" list on both websites, this site gets the most traffic.

November 13, 2008, 10:10 AM
Using both until it is settled...

November 13, 2008, 12:10 PM
I use both, I find the .US sight to be a little easier to converse on about the BANNED topics here.

November 13, 2008, 12:16 PM
Using both until it is settled...



November 13, 2008, 12:44 PM
I'm sure there are 2 sides to the story. I haven't heard either. I wouldn't have noticed anything was different if I hadn't seen the post & got the email.

I really like THR for the fact that it is fairly civil & well regulated. I hope it continues.

Never checked out the new sight.
I stick mainly to the reloading section.

November 13, 2008, 12:47 PM
I checked at one point and all of the posts in the reloading section looked the same. Are there any differences?

November 13, 2008, 02:13 PM
Are there any differences?

apparently the .us site is from the .org archive, dated at some time a few days ago.

posts made after that time are only on the one particular board, but supposedly will will be merged after the lawyers get their pound of flesh and the courts make a ruling.

I'm thinking about hanging my hat over on TFL for a while, as they seem to be no worse or better (though I get the impression they used to be laden with trash posts).

My internal BS filter works well enough and I don't have kiddies in the house the surf either.

November 13, 2008, 03:31 PM
Thanks SSN Vet. I see there is a difference and I may frequent both for the time being.

The Bushmaster
November 13, 2008, 03:53 PM
Until the children figure it out I'll stay right here...:(

BattleChimp Potemkin
November 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
Not really handloading gents...

cajun 48
November 13, 2008, 04:59 PM
every once in awhile i drift over to "us" site but all of the reloaders i trust and appreciate oppinions most from are on this site. thats why this site is on my quick tabs and the "us" site is on my favorite list (gotta find it to go to it).


pilot teacher
November 13, 2008, 05:29 PM
Outside of curiosity I went to the site and found it accepted my log in and password.

I stay away from any political aspects between the two and keep it to my interests in shooting.

November 13, 2008, 05:54 PM
At the risk of sounding like a dumb az what is the other site you are talking about. There are 4 or 5 that I go to all the time with www.glockpost.com being one of my favorites.

November 13, 2008, 06:13 PM
I missed the whole mess. I see there is the .us site that has spun off, was this because of banned topics? If so of what type? Same mods at both sites... what gives... I'm so confused.

November 13, 2008, 06:20 PM
Nevermind I figured it out. My logon also works over there and it seems that all of the threads from here are also there. I have the same post count, replys and private messages on both.

November 13, 2008, 07:09 PM
I am using both, but I am mostly here.

November 13, 2008, 07:23 PM
Hopefully, they wil "rebecome" one.

November 14, 2008, 04:45 PM
I missed the whole mess.

Here's my understanding....correct me if I'm wrong..

it sounds like Oleg started the site when TFL was temporarilly shut down (though I don't think they knew it was temporary at the time) Derek hosted the sight on his server and was the chief techy. The domain name reg. needed to be re-upped and Derek put it in his name. Either no one knew or cared about this at the time.

Now THR gets a ton of traffic and there are many commercial opportunities. Lo and behold....Derek holds the archives and the domain name is registered in his name.

Oleg offered to spot Derek $75K for services rendered, and the back ups.

Derek said no way Hosea.

Oleg filed civil suit against Derek and is trying to get crimianal theft charges as well.

Many of the mods took sides with Oleg and got the boot.

Both Oleg and Derek are trying to keep the conflict from dominating and thus killing the board.

Oleg still posts....has posted today.

Oleg pulled a technical fast one and got a copy of the archive.

Oleg now has a parallel .us sight up.

and you guessed it kiddos

it's all about "da money"

November 14, 2008, 05:15 PM
...it's all about "da money"

That surprises me because neither site has any sponsors.

The Bushmaster
November 14, 2008, 05:19 PM
No...Not really...My understanding is that one of them decided to solicit sponsors and the other either wanted no sponsors or his piece of the pie...

November 15, 2008, 01:43 AM
I'm torn and as such post at both sites. On the one hand I think that Oleg got shafted here at the .org site. On the other hand, I'm not crazy about a bunch of ads and this site looking like ar15.com. :P

November 15, 2008, 01:49 AM
Not very High Road when it has to go to the courts.

November 15, 2008, 11:50 AM
I'm torn and as such post at both sites. On the one hand I think that Oleg got shafted here at the .org site. On the other hand, I'm not crazy about a bunch of ads and this site looking like ar15.com. :P
I agree, the adds can become a real PITA. I think GlockTalk is the worst. They are sticking adds in between posts in the threads now.

Oleg Volk
December 26, 2008, 04:46 PM
Just saw this concern: I never planned putting up ads on THR, so why did this consideration come up? Same as I never intended to charge membership fees for using THR -- this has always been an outreach forum and I'd rather not require paying for access.

December 26, 2008, 07:20 PM
i would rather put up w/ the adds than pay to use the sights, i/e the person(s) hosting the sight deserve to generate income, and they can either go about soliciting us, or selling adds, or asking for charity, and i get real sick of the charity type sights soliciting me.

i always log into this sight when i can, and surf elite deal seeker, which has the other sight on it.

elite deal seeker is a good way to get around having to deal w/ all the adds for most of the sights.

December 26, 2008, 09:36 PM
Thought this was the new site. I guess I never find the u.s. site.

December 27, 2008, 11:26 AM
Thanks for the explanation of why there are two "almost mirrored" sites. I saw Oleg's post about not wanting ads or charging a fee, but someone is having to fork out $$$ to keep the site operating. And the more traffic the site sees, the more $$$ it usually costs in both an internet pipeline and hardware. I, too, hope the suit is settled soon and without hostility so that these two gents who brought us the site and kept it going can somehow settle their differences.

Art Eatman
December 27, 2008, 02:52 PM
From the standpoint of those who enjoy the use of the THR websites, it's a waste of psychic energy to worry about who's right and who's wrong in the difference of opinion between Oleg and Derek.

I've been in all this since the early days of The Firing Line and was one of the originators of THR. I know Oleg and Derek. Both are good guys. Both are sincere in their beliefs.

IOW, not worth wasting thinking-time on somebody else's problems.

No moderator has been misused or abused by anybody. Not all have the amount of free time that I do. One thing a retired Olde Phart has is time, which is why I moderate here, at dot-us and at The Firing Line. :)

:), Art

December 27, 2008, 03:00 PM
Well, hell, what else is there to do outside of hunting season in the middle of Terlingua, (aka BFE) Texas? ROFL! You know you're in BFE Texas when you measure your distances in driving hours vs miles. "How far is it to the movie theater?" "Oh, about 2 1/2 hours." ROFL!

Sorry to make sport of Terlingua, but, well, I ain't got nothin' else to do either. :D

December 27, 2008, 07:26 PM
I like and use both sites for now. Both are very helpful to me. And MC, where is Terlingua Texas. Must be as far out in the sticks as Herman Ill.

December 27, 2008, 10:37 PM
Same here, both sites for me until it's settled, and they are (hopefully) merged back into one THR

December 27, 2008, 11:13 PM
"...this because of banned topics?..." Issues that really aren't any of our business.

December 27, 2008, 11:44 PM
how many have jumped ship over to the .us sight.

It seems to me that this question should be asked on the US sight, as those that truly jumped ship would not be here :confused:
Excuse me I'm going somewhere else :D

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