7.62 x 39 mm Bolt Action


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ggarfield965
November 13, 2008, 01:56 PM
It just occurred to me, and I am not the first I am sure, that a bolt action 7.62 Soviet rifle would be a fantastic deer cartridge for woods hunts and furthermore would be about the cheapest round you could find to hunt with. I mean, a center fire rifle you can afford to target practice with and shoot for fun would be fantastic. Now, every once in a while we shoot a box of .30-30 ammo if we can pick some up on discount, otherwise it's all reserved for hunting. And I would think a 7.62 Soviet would be a longer range cartridge than a .30-30 and would be significantly cheaper to shoot if you purchased surplus in bulk. So, I guess my questions are these.

How many American-marketed manufacturers (aka Browning, Winchester...not YurkgisfluhghfiŽ) make such a gun?

What do these guns cost, do people use them much, are they accurate?

And finally, what is the cheapest readily available one out there (new, and single shot is acceptable)?

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MD_Willington
November 13, 2008, 02:09 PM
The American manufacturers import them... with the exception of Ruger.

You can get re chambered rifles in that calibre..

Paradiddle
November 13, 2008, 02:17 PM
CZ has a super sweet carbine in 7.62x39 that everyone raves about.

R.W.Dale
November 13, 2008, 02:23 PM
The only domestically produced bolt action 7.62x39's are the discontinued ruger M77's. Currently Ruger has a special run of No1's in this chambering. H&R made one briefly a couple years back but it was quickly discontinued because of ignition problems with steel cased fodder. Rossi offers a single shot 7.62x39 but it's made in Brazil

You can buy a Ruger mini 30 or an AR variant in this cartridge. But by far the best offering out there in a bolt action is the CZ527 carbine.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you're against a imported firearm yet you want to buy and shoot imported ammo

New and used CZ's typically run upwards of $500 the rugers are even more expensive. The Rossi's can be had for less than $200. I built an AR in 7,62x39 for less than $700 and I have a custom Stevens so chambered that I have close to a grand in.

What do these guns cost, do people use them much, are they accurate?

The 7.62x39 cartridge is as accurate as any other cartridge the deciding factor is the quality of ammunition and firearm. Right now neither imported or domestic ammo is much more accuracy than minute of can at 100yds

Take a look at my thread in the hunting section where I killed a doe with a 7.62x39mm at 278 yards

ggarfield965
November 13, 2008, 02:39 PM
Thanks, krochus, that was very helpful. Let me clear up what I meant about the American guns. I just didn't want people telling me about guns made by small Russian firm in the 50s that I could find used in Germany or something custom made in Moscow or Sweden. I am looking for guns I can easily find and buy in the U.S. that are affordable and not of dubious quality.


Oh, and let me point out that I would buy surplus for burning at the range, but would go for expensive high quality hunting.

R.W.Dale
November 13, 2008, 02:44 PM
In that case I would take a hard look at either the CZ527 carbine or possibly the Remington 798 which is made by Zastava. Both of these rifles are made in Eastern Europe by firms with a long outstanding history of making top notch firearms

ggarfield965
November 13, 2008, 03:06 PM
You were right,

http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=15

This looks fantastic.

Sadly, I probably can't afford one of these until I have a PHD and have paid off college, but it is nice to want. I was sort of hoping I could find like a $250-400 gun, and like I said, a single shot would be pretty sweet too. It is too bad H&R doesn't make a Soviet anymore because that seems like a good candidate for the quality and price I was looking for.

M'bogo
November 13, 2008, 03:38 PM
New you can choose from these - Remington SPR 18 (single shot break action), Ruger No.1 (costly choice), CZ 527 Carbine, Remington 799 Mini Mauser and Rossi (another break action single shot.

Used you have a few options - Ruger M77, Charles Daly Mini Mauser and Interarms Mini Mauser.

While I have not shot them all I can highly recomend the CZ 527 carbine. I have the CZ and have taken several deer with that rifle. If all goes well I will be in the woods with it agian this Saturday. If you are on a tight budget I'd look at the Remington SPR 18. The one shot had a Burris 4x scope on top and grouped right at 2 inches (100 yards) with Wolf 154gr soft points.


M'bogo

ggarfield965
November 13, 2008, 03:49 PM
Hey!

That Remington is exactly what I was looking for. I think I could afford a $277 gun right now. So, last question. Could I shoot deer out to, say, 200 yards reliably with it? 250?

hboy35
November 13, 2008, 03:56 PM
I ran across the H&R single shot in 762x39 earlier this year in a used rack at Gander Mtn. Tag price was $110. I walked away from it due to being low on cash--should have just got it on the credit card and paid it off in a month.

A second on the bad ignition thing with commercial ammo.

That to say, there are some out there, just keep your eyes open.

R.W.Dale
November 13, 2008, 05:35 PM
So, last question. Could I shoot deer out to, say, 200 yards reliably with it? 250?

it strictly depends on ammo.

Factory loads 200yds TOPS

quality handloads.......

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405210

ggarfield965
November 13, 2008, 05:46 PM
That sounds great actually Krochus. I don't know if I am up for hand loading yet, but 200 yards if sufficient for almost anything around here. If I want long range I would buy a 7mm-08.

KBintheSLC
November 13, 2008, 05:53 PM
But by far the best offering out there in a bolt action is the CZ527 carbine.

I want one bad... this would be the perfect companion for the AK. No need to stock a new chambering of ammo. Plenty of punch out to 200 meters. I doubt I would ever "need" any other rifles with those two in my gear box.

Stillwater
November 13, 2008, 05:57 PM
CZ has a super sweet carbine in 7.62x39 that everyone raves about.

I have a CZ 527 in 7.62X39. I whole heartedly agree with the comments on this neat, bolt action, clip fed, rifle...

You should get the proprietary CZ scope rings at the same time you get the rifle...

Bill

jmr40
November 13, 2008, 05:59 PM
I know a couple of guys who have the Ruger and had them threaded for a silencer. Yes, they have the proper paperwork. According to them with the right loads they are pretty quiet.

rbernie
November 13, 2008, 06:32 PM
I have a Ruger 77MkII in 7.62x39, topped by a VXIII 1.75x-6x scope. It's by far my favorite bolt gun right now.

It shoots Russian ammo just fine, and my handloads are easily MOA.

RangerHAAF
November 13, 2008, 08:43 PM
About 2-3 years ago I lucked up and found one of those Rugers in 7.62 X 39 on the rack of my local gun shop. I'd never seen one before and haven't seen one since, so of course I had to buy it. I haven't used it to hunt yet but it is very accurate out to a hundred yards. I don't plan to trade it or sell it.

TheGrimReaper
November 13, 2008, 11:02 PM
I got a Interarms MX V minimauser in 7.62x39. I put a Leopold 3-9x50 on it and I LOVE the little rifle!!!

stubbicatt
November 14, 2008, 09:37 AM
I have always been impressed with the quality of CZ rifles.

Get one of them. The additional $100 might sting initially, but as they say, the quality of an item is remembered long after the price is forgotten.

oldFred
April 16, 2009, 08:34 PM
I would KILL for a cheap semi-auto in 7.62x54r

I have tons of ammo ;)

Whats the prices of these x39 bolts?

jacob.elliott
April 16, 2009, 10:43 PM
a friend of mine had some sort of remington knock off that was a single shot break over. but it was a total piece of crap he traded it for a 204 within a month

Pack
April 16, 2009, 10:59 PM
I was once allowed to toy around with the CZ. I had no defined desire for a 7.62x39 bolt gun at the time, but quickly decided it was pretty neat. I don't know if I like the idea, or its execution in the form of the CZ.

At any rate, if they did the gun in question in "FS" ("full stock") form, (see picture http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=9), I'd buy one.

CZ makes seriously classy rifles.

bessemerbob
April 16, 2009, 11:03 PM
Held a CZ at a local shop about a month ago. Made for a nice brush gun. Wouldnt buy one myself, but it was a cool gun

kanook
April 17, 2009, 08:36 AM
ruger has put it back in production in the compact model

MikePaiN
April 17, 2009, 08:48 AM
If anyone is looking for a CZ527 Carbine in 7.62x39, I just put one up this morning in the "Trading Post" section, its listed with a Stag M3
I also have great hunting ammo available for this rifle a russian non-corrosive HP at 124g

dogngun
April 17, 2009, 09:18 AM
7.62x39 barrels for Mauser 98 actions in stock.
Sadly, they are sold out of the actions themselves.

Try here: www.gunpartscorp.com


Many other calibers as well.

mark

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