Crooks & Liars is making fun of the gun buying frenzy


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wacki
November 13, 2008, 09:04 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/gun-sales-and-paranoid-right-sucker-

It's official, you are all "suckers".

:scrutiny:

We should be careful with these articles and defend the NRA when they are libeled.

-W

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wacki
November 13, 2008, 09:09 PM
keep your politics stuff over here:

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=16233.0

Sinixstar
November 13, 2008, 10:12 PM
I gotta admit - the NRA as advertising wing for the industry concept did cross my mind once or twice...

green country shooter
November 13, 2008, 10:14 PM
The NRA does not represent the shooting industry. That's for the NSSF to do. The NRA represents shooters.

jakemccoy
November 13, 2008, 10:17 PM
The link brought up a good point: the NRA is underwritten by gun manufacturers. There is a bit of self-interest fear mongering going on. Some of the articles in the NRA magazines before the election were over-the-top. Now, it's in a gun manufacturer's interest to ride the fear wave they helped to create. The methodology hasn't backfired, yet.

Eagles6
November 13, 2008, 10:29 PM
jakemccoy,
I have to disagree. I have a copy of CA gun ban bill in front of me. What has happened in your state, in DC, Chicago, NYC, NOLA can easily happen nationwide. I have some problems with the NRA but they were not anywhere near over the top in this election.

jakemccoy
November 13, 2008, 10:32 PM
There's no need to argue because we'll see, right?

Let's all hope I'm right and you're wrong, fair?

What's most scary is that it seems like many folks hope the NRA is correct about Obama.

Lone_Gunman
November 13, 2008, 10:35 PM
Eagle6 is absolutely correct. If you don't think Obama would love to see California style gun laws go national, you just arent paying attention.

The Dems will likely use anti-2A gun laws as a bargaining chip with Republicans. For example, the Dems could propose a tax change to increase taxes on the rich by 20%. The Republicans would scream that is too much. So the Dems compromise and say, OK we will just make it 10%, but lets reinstate the AWB as cosolation.

Do you really think the remaining Republicans would actually turn that down???

Vicious-Peanut
November 13, 2008, 10:39 PM
Why should I care what people on a liberal blog think of me?

Sinixstar
November 13, 2008, 10:48 PM
The link brought up a good point: the NRA is underwritten by gun manufacturers. There is a bit of self-interest fear mongering going on. Some of the articles in the NRA magazines before the election were over-the-top. Now, it's in a gun manufacturer's interest to ride the fear wave they helped to create. The methodology hasn't backfired, yet.


I'm just a cynical bastard. We live in a society where the all-mighty-dollar is king. Until I see evidence otherwise, I always assume actions taken by virtually organization are going to be in some way pushing for more of those all mighty dollars to flow into their pockets.
Not necessarily anything wrong with that unless such organization is positioning themselves as something else..

MDMadrid
November 13, 2008, 10:48 PM
The best part about the "blog" is reading the comments below. These people are "CRAZY"!

Sinixstar
November 13, 2008, 10:50 PM
The best part about the "blog" is reading the comments below. These people are "CRAZY"!

Eh - if they came here, they'd say the same thing about us. Such is life.

MIL-DOT
November 13, 2008, 11:05 PM
I read it for several minutes,found it kind of entertaining, and was surprised that many defended guns intelligently, most of those being "progressives". ( I hate that term.)

wacki
November 13, 2008, 11:11 PM
There's no need to argue because we'll see, right?

Would you like to make a $1000 with me on how the justices Obama appoints will vote in future gun cases? There are plenty of online websites that will provide the betting service for us.

Sinixstar
November 13, 2008, 11:57 PM
Would you like to make a $1000 with me on how the justices Obama appoints will vote in future gun cases? There are plenty of online websites that will provide the betting service for us.

Look on intrade - i'm sure there's probably one there already.

Browning
November 14, 2008, 12:01 AM
Yeah, are they gonna admit that they were wrong when he starts issuing executive orders banning parts, ammo and mags from importation for starters? Somehow I don't think that they'll admit it and print a retraction.

jakemccoy
November 14, 2008, 12:21 AM
Would you like to make a $1000 with me on how the justices Obama appoints will vote in future gun cases? There are plenty of online websites that will provide the betting service for us.

What exactly is the bet?

If you're betting Heller will be overturned during the Obama administration, then I would like to take the bet on condition that my money is not held in escrow.

Would you be hoping you'd lose the bet and your $1000?

That would be a weird spot for you if you're truly pro-gun.

tpaw
November 14, 2008, 12:59 AM
Eagle6 writes:

I have to disagree. I have a copy of CA gun ban bill in front of me. What has happened in your state, in DC, Chicago, NYC, NOLA can easily happen nationwide. I have some problems with the NRA but they were not anywhere near over the top in this election

You site NYC in your quote. NYC is not New York State. You can still own firearms in NYC, however, they must be registered. New York State is a horse of a different color.

TX1911fan
November 14, 2008, 01:46 AM
George Bush and Dick Cheney were evil geniuses bent on destroying the Constitution and taking over the country, but we the loons for expecting another weapons ban, the kind that HAPPENED the last time we had a Democrat White House and Congress! Black is white, night is day.

IncredibleGord
November 14, 2008, 01:51 AM
There was this guy in the gun store today talking about living through the depression. He said this feels too familiar and is definitely worried, while walking out with a new revolver. Cool dude.

Sinixstar
November 14, 2008, 02:15 AM
There was this guy in the gun store today talking about living through the depression. He said this feels too familiar and is definitely worried, while walking out with a new revolver. Cool dude.

That's a big part of the reason why my anti-gun girlfriend now wants to learn how to shoot. If SHTF and we were having a hard time putting food on the table, or things got sketchy and people started turning to robbery to feed themselves - she wants to know she can handle the situation.
Pretty crazy. All the years i've known her, I never thought i'd see the day.

ArmedBear
November 14, 2008, 02:19 AM
If you think that gun bans are just irrational fears, you haven't lived in California.

And there are new bans proposed (and sometimes passed) every single year.

wacki
November 14, 2008, 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by wacki
Would you like to make a $1000 with me on how the justices Obama appoints will vote in future gun cases? There are plenty of online websites that will provide the betting service for us.
What exactly is the bet?

If you're betting Heller will be overturned during the Obama administration, then I would like to take the bet on condition that my money is not held in escrow.

Would you be hoping you'd lose the bet and your $1000?

That would be a weird spot for you if you're truly pro-gun.

I don't think Heller will be overturned anytime soon. But I strongly suspect Obama appointees will vote in support of an AWB, registration, taxes, etc. Heller was 5-4. If Stevens and Ginsburg are the only two that retire, I suspect we will continue to have many 5-4 cases on the gun issue. My hypothesis is that in the vast majority of the coming Supreme Court 5-4 cases, the Obama appointed judges will vote against our rights and against the wishes of the NRA. What the case is about is irrelevant. That's not exactly what I'm proposing, but if we were to make a bet that is what the general feel of the bet would be like. Heller unleashed a litigation hailstorm so we will see a lot more court cases in the future to test my theory.

Given how the left side of the court ruled in the FEC cases as well as Heller and Obama's rather radical choices in friends, I think this is an extremely safe bet on my part. If you have decent credit, I'm sure I can find a gamboooling site that will allow us to bet sans escrow. Worst case scenario we invest in a bond, mutual fund or something and the winner takes the bond.

It's late and I need sleep. Maybe over the weekend I'll draft up something more concrete if you are still interested in doing a $1K bet with me.

jakemccoy
November 14, 2008, 03:28 AM
wacki,

I'm not interested in a nebulous bet about general feelings.

Anyway, if you're pro-gun, you'd have to make your bet and hope I win...weird.

Let's be real. We're just talkin' mess on the Internet...LOL

I doubt I'm coming back to this thread. You'll have to PM me.

Regards,
-Jake

12131
November 14, 2008, 03:53 AM
Fear buying, panic buying, whatever you want to call it, or make fun all you want.
Fact: The gun grabbing libs are now controlling the WH and both chambers of Congress. Do the math. If you don't think for one second that they will be pushing their agenda, you're living in la la land.

I'm out.

Highland Ranger
November 14, 2008, 08:56 AM
Makes perfect sense - because if the NRA didn't point out the possibility of another ban it wouldn't have occurred to any of us . . . . . ??!

cornman
November 14, 2008, 09:27 AM
Every election the same chicken little behavior plays out. I just cant figure out how people fall for it again and again. The NRA and gun industry has no shame.

gym
November 14, 2008, 11:00 AM
hxxp://www.intrade.com/
You can even takje the over or under on when Ossama gets caught. Remove the hxxp and put http in there. Intrade allows betting on just about anything

green country shooter
November 14, 2008, 08:30 PM
I suppose the NRA is partly "underwritten" by the gun industry, but the last time I checked a high percentage of its income came from dues. There are about 4 million members, you know. The NSSF speaks for the gun industry, not the NRA. This idea that the gun industry is huge businesses with enormous revenues is absurd, though apparently the left has repeated it so often that even some gun owners believe it. Look for the NRA 990 form if you want facts and not guesses.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 16, 2008, 11:39 AM
While it's kinda interesting, I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out why I or anyone should care what some website I've never heard of (until today) says.

Phil DeGraves
November 17, 2008, 10:32 AM
the NRA is underwritten by gun manufacturers. There is a bit of self-interest fear mongering going on.

Here we go with the conspiracy theorists again. Every gun store, gun maker that I know of (Cooper Guns being the exception) supported McCain. You guys are unbelievable! First it's "The NRA is a front for the Republican Party!" Now it's "It's all a conspiracy to boost the Firearms Industry!"

This happens every four years when their is a National Election, regardless of who wins. I've been in the industry long enough to see that this is not anything unusual.

Grow up!

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