New version of the Hornady LnL AP coming out


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SteveW-II
November 14, 2008, 01:30 PM
I was just browsing Hornadys web site and noticed a new manual available.. The Lock 'n Load AP with (drum roll) EZject system..

https://www.hornady.com/display.php?t=21

So I downloaded the manual and read through it. Hornady have replaced the case ejector that was a large piece of wire that pushed the loaded round out of the shell plate from the top, with a new system that pushes the round out from under the shell plate.

The new press is different, as is the shell plate.

IMHO this is a great improvement, as it means that you can use ANY die in station 5. Previously, you had to make all kinds of modifications to get, say, a Lee FCD to work in station 5.

This makes the press so much more usable (again, IMHO).

What this does mean, however, is that presses in current retail inventory are out of date. Maybe that is why there are so many good deals going on right now. It MAY also mean that old shell plates won't work on the new press because of the new ejection system. Again, if that is true, I would expect to see the old shell plates drop in price. Maybe Hornady will run a 'trade in' program, but I don't know.

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charby
November 14, 2008, 02:20 PM
I wonder if they will have 1000 free bullets with it? I'm seriously considering purchasing a LNL AP with my tax return.

Walkalong
November 14, 2008, 02:32 PM
Well that's a pisser. Do you know how much it would cost to replace my dozen or so shellplates? Maybe they will do some kind of deal on them, maybe.

SteveW-II
November 14, 2008, 02:38 PM
$27.50 x 12 or so, I guess....:eek:

Otto
November 14, 2008, 04:20 PM
The shellplates and sub plate are redesigned. I'm assuming that by replacing the sub plate one could convert the wire ejection system to the new EZject system.
My LNL ejects just fine so I won't be upgrading but it would be nice to use any manufacturers taper crimp die in the fifth station.


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RPCVYemen
November 14, 2008, 05:09 PM
I wonder if they will have 1000 free bullets with it?

When I look at the forms, it looks like it's not any 1000 Hornady bullets - but only a specific subset. Am I reading that correctly? For example as a 45 Colt reloader, I didn't see any usable bullets.

Mike

charby
November 14, 2008, 05:17 PM
When I look at the forms, it looks like it's not any 1000 Hornady bullets - but only a specific subset. Am I reading that correctly? For example as a 45 Colt reloader, I didn't see any usable bullets.

That is correct, I just see that the XTP they are offering in 45 don't have a canule.

mrwilson
November 14, 2008, 08:49 PM
The new shell plates now come in a plastic case. That's a nice change. Wonder if we can buy empty ones.

Idano
November 14, 2008, 11:53 PM
I like it, I like it a lot! Looks like Idano' press is getting an upgrade for Christmas.

pinkymingeo
November 15, 2008, 09:40 PM
I was checking the parts list. Looks like all that's required is a subplate and, of course, shellplates. The 223 shellplate I just got is the new design. I see, comparing, that old shellplates could be modified on a lathe in a heartbeat. Maybe they'll have a trade-in program for existing users. Otherwise, it's way too expensive to replace all my shellplates.

Dizzy810
November 16, 2008, 05:22 PM
I think I'm gonna have to call them about this Monday morning. I just bought my LnL AP about 3 weeks ago. I'm gonna be pissed if they make me buy the new subplate. I just looked at my shell plates and they are the new style. This explains why my 9mm havn't had any ejection issues though

Dizzy810
November 17, 2008, 10:36 AM
Well I talked to Hornady this morning. The guy said that EZJect isn't coming out until next month. Also told me I would have to purchase the upgrade, but he didn't know the price. Pretty loosy to have to purchase something to make a brand new press work properly.

DickM
November 17, 2008, 11:24 AM
I contacted Hornady via email and just received the following response:

We do have a new ejection system and it can be retro fitted to your press if you are having problems with it. The press would need to be sent to Hornady and we will convert it along with any warranty work that needs completed. The upgrade also covers exchanging two shell plates out. The current price is $100.00 and $10.00 per shell plate after the first two.

Papakeith
November 17, 2008, 03:45 PM
I was pretty much ready to purchase a new LNL. Guess I'll be waiting a couple more weeks. Thanks for the heads up.

Dizzy810
November 17, 2008, 10:07 PM
$100 for an upgrade a few weeks after purchasing the press. That pisses me off. I had heard Hornady stands by their product, but it sure doesn't seem like it now.

BigJakeJ1s
November 17, 2008, 11:34 PM
We haven't seen the new price of the press with EZject yet. Wonder if it will be ~$80 more... Or if they will continue the 1000 free bullets offer.

Andy

mscott
November 18, 2008, 08:22 AM
Good, now I'll have to watch out for a good deal on another used LNL. The ejection problems haven't really been much of an issue for me, but the new design does look pretty good.

Walkalong
November 18, 2008, 08:42 AM
The new eject system has not proven itsself. The LNL wire eject system seems to work just fine by all reports except some dies interfere with the wire. That can be easily fixed. They should sell the upgrade for around cost at least for a while.

NJ-Tom
November 18, 2008, 09:56 AM
BigJake J1s (Andy) - I spoke with Cathy at Hornadys customer service last week about availability and the 1000 free bullet offer, she stated not to worry about the expiration date of the program. additionally she stated they wereprobably going to continue the program into 2009.

robctwo
November 18, 2008, 10:39 AM
I just recently went over 100,000 on my LnL. I took the ejection wire off after about 5,000 rounds, use the Lee FCD on most of my calibers and tried but didn't like the automatic case feeder. I get about 2-300 per hour hand setting and removing the cases.

I had some trouble with my sub plate working loose. The set screws in the ram would not stay tight. I sent it in to Hornady and got a complete rebuild for the price of freight one way, about $19.

I didn't get the new through expander powder drop when it came out. I'll wait and see if the new ejection system is working well, it looks like a great innovation. Not sure that it would be worth the $ to retrofit.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about getting a new one that needs upgraded immediately. I do that with computers about every three years for some reason.

I do know that the LnL is a great press. If the new system is that much better I might just buy another one complete and use it for the pistol rounds. Dedicate the older one to rifle reloads where I rarely make more than 2-300 at a time. I would only need to upgrade the 9mm and .45. Of course I could get free shell plates with the retrofit. I doubt I'll do anything different for a few months after the new ones are in use.

DickM
November 18, 2008, 01:32 PM
One small additional piece of information - Tech Support at Hornady tells me that they won't be ready to do any retrofits until late February.

Idano
November 18, 2008, 09:49 PM
I don't see any reason to send in the press in for the upgrade. I have reviewed the users manual and parts lists and I am planning on just replacing the sub-plate. Changing the sub-plate is no big deal; when the casefeeder first came out it came with the sub-plate that is now standard on the press. The sub-plate on the the first version AP presses did not have the ramp. The part number for the new EZ-eject sub plate is 398309T where as the current sub plate part number is 398309S.

Borg
November 19, 2008, 04:52 AM
I had the chance to play with the new press up at Perry this year,,, it works great, all ammo just softly kicks out of the shell plate into the bin.

DickM
November 19, 2008, 10:36 AM
I don't see any reason to send in the press in for the upgrade. I have reviewed the users manual and parts lists and I am planning on just replacing the sub-plate. Changing the sub-plate is no big deal; when the casefeeder first came out it came with the sub-plate that is now standard on the press. The sub-plate on the the first version AP presses did not have the ramp. The part number for the new EZ-eject sub plate is 398309T where as the current sub plate part number is 398309S.

I was wondering why that wouldn't be possible, but had no experience changing out subplates, so figured there must be a reason. I'll send an email back to the tech that I've been corresponding with and see why he's only talking about sending the press back to Hornady.

DickM
November 19, 2008, 11:54 AM
I was wondering why that wouldn't be possible, but had no experience changing out subplates, so figured there must be a reason. I'll send an email back to the tech that I've been corresponding with and see why he's only talking about sending the press back to Hornady.

Received this response back from Hornady (I must say, they're really good about responding to emails quickly!):

At this time they are requesting the loaders to be returned to us. They will not send parts out.

BigJakeJ1s
November 19, 2008, 10:59 PM
This is a pragmatic move on their part, to slow the rush of requests for replacement parts so they have enough to build new presses with. Fewer users are likely to take the time/expense to ship their press back than would simply call and ask for a new subplate and shell plates be sent out.

Maybe after the initial rush is over, they will start sending them out.

Andy

jim4065
November 20, 2008, 12:59 AM
Gave an order to Mid-South for a new AP this last Monday. They're out of stock there - and most everywhere. The lady at Hornady said they weren't shipping any of the old style ejectors so that's why the holdup. Guess I'd better call Mid-South to be sure they understand that unless I get the new mod, I won't accept the press. Hate to be that way, but what the hell...........:fire:

tmang69
November 25, 2008, 08:43 PM
I called Hornady today and was told the same thing. The upgrade will be $100 including the sub plate and two shell plates (your old shell plates must be sent in for the exchange) +$10 for each additional plate. The upgrade will not be available to customers until late February as well. I did ask if they could just mail out the part (sub plate) and let the users that want to upgrade their presses themselves do that. The answer was "they can't do that" and when I asked why the Hornady rep (very nice lady by the way) could not give me an answer. Bummer.

Contacted MidwayUSA today to see if the Hornady sub plate that they sell (when it is in stock again) will be the new designed "ezject" plate. Midway phone person had no idea. Anyway, I'm hoping that when Midway gets in a new supply of sub plates that it will be the new designed plate. I can always sell my existing shell plates on Ebay and I think come out ahead and without having to ship my freaking press in the mail by upgrading the press myself. I've had to replace no less than 5 cracked hubs so I could do this blindfolded. By the way, with dealer discount, the Midway price for the Hornady sub plate is currently 69.99 with a due date of Dec. 5. I plan on calling back to see if someone there can confirm if this is the new one or not.

Wayne02
November 25, 2008, 08:51 PM
I was checking the parts list. Looks like all that's required is a subplate and, of course, shellplates. The 223 shellplate I just got is the new design. I see, comparing, that old shellplates could be modified on a lathe in a heartbeat. Maybe they'll have a trade-in program for existing users. Otherwise, it's way too expensive to replace all my shellplates.
That's good news that the old shellplates can be modified on a lathe as I'd hate to have to send in all my plates or buy all new plates as I have a few of them.

So all I need to do in addition of modifying my shell plates is buy the subplate from somewhere?

Jetsurgeon
November 26, 2008, 09:43 AM
Last week I purchased a new sub plate for reloading .223 Rem from Midway, I believe it was #16 (but its not in front of me right now).

Anyway the plate that arrived was the new version of the sub plate.

Hope this helps....

Happy T-Day.


Jeff

Knucklehead2
November 26, 2008, 12:47 PM
I would use caution trying to groove the old shellplates in a lathe due to the hardness of the ones I own. Hit them with a file and you will see what I mean.

xm15
November 28, 2008, 02:40 PM
Any news as to when these will be shipping to dealers?

rdc0000
November 29, 2008, 12:17 AM
This is about right. First it was purchase the inside the powder expander bushings to get powder at station #2 and allow the use of the powder cop die. Then it was upgrade to the new powder linkage to get that to work correctly(last month!!), Hornady said. Now another charge to fix another BAD engineered design the ejector wire. Have to set a washer on the priming point to keep from gouging the press and to get a good primer seating. Have to have a wire down the primer tube to make the primers feed. You must chamfer the primer hole and smooth everything up to get it not to jam. Also, you need a air compressor to blow the dribbled out powder pieces to keep the priming mechanism from failing. And guess what there is no alarm for out of primers or for the powder cop. This thing is an exercise in how not to design a progressive press.

I'm a fool for staying with this piece of junk trying to get it worked out. I should have sold it the day I saw a re-engineering of the powder linkage, that was a big clue:cuss::cuss:

Yes it's my first post also. I can't believe you people still think this thing is a winner. It is not.

RUDY850
November 29, 2008, 07:58 AM
Then it was upgrade to the new powder linkage to get that to work correctly(last month!!),

Must of missed this. link to information on this

mallc
November 29, 2008, 09:20 AM
I was thinking about adding a LNL to the bench. Now I'm thinking there must be a reason they give you 1000 free bullets to buy their press.

Maybe I'll buy another 650 instead.

Scott

mrwilson
November 29, 2008, 09:40 AM
I have none of those problems. Maybe you got a lemon...or your just trolling.

Walkalong
November 29, 2008, 09:43 AM
If they were that bad, no one would buy them, 1000 bullets or not. Lots of happy LNL owners, and some of us old Projector owners too.

kasTX
November 29, 2008, 12:21 PM
I have none of those problems. Maybe you got a lemon...or your just trolling.

Based on my LNL AP experience, he isn't trolling. I had to polish the primer feed to get it to work, and it still is only about 95% reliable. I gave up on the automated powder drop, because it has the bad habit of dropping powder all over the press. I haven't invested the time to figure out why. The piece of metal that holds the bin was the wrong shape, and could not be mounted to the press until I cut away some of it. The brass doesn't line up very well with the dies in some calibers. And don't even get me started with that stupid ejector wire - when it isn't flinging brass across the shop, it is binding up the press.

Others seem happy, so I suppose I got a lemon. Once they get the replacement program up to speed, I'll send it back and see what they have to say.

Iron Sight
November 29, 2008, 03:01 PM
I bought a Hornady LnL AP guess about 6 months ago.

Mainly for .45 Auto & 38 special. Have probably loaded around 3000 rounds with the tool.

Primer system wouldn't set primers deep enough for me. I de cap, re-size & hand prime all my rounds separate from the Hornady LnL AP.

Ejector system works about 90% Have learned to live with it and if a round sticks on ejection my hand comes up and clears it. I did polish the shell plate as learned on this forum.

The powder dispenser has worked fine 100% of the time. Pistol rotor metering assembly installed. Of course it has to be re-set between 38 special and 45 ACP case lengths. It did loosen once until I added a rubber band along with the O ring to the Lock N Load Bushing.

Customer phone service has been great.

Bought some re-loads done on a Dillon a while back. Primers not set to my satisfaction, some cases deformed looked like over crimped? Rounds that would not fit my shell guage.

OK you Dillon people.........Lets hear the total truth.

ReloaderFred
November 29, 2008, 03:56 PM
Well, that's why they make different brands of most everything.......

I recently replaced my worn out Pro-Jector with a new LNL press. The old blued .38 Special shellplate moved right from the old press to the new one and works perfectly. The ejector works well, with only an occassional round hanging up, probably about 1 in 500 or so.

I've only loaded 3,600 rounds on the new press, but so far I'm very happy with it, and I'm using RCBS dies, with a Lyman crimp die in the 5th station.

I don't prime on any progressive press, since I consider priming a precise step in making new ammunition, but just for kicks, I did load 100 rounds with the LNL press doing the priming and it was well within tolerances, and all 100 rounds went off as expected.

I find it interesting that some people will swear off a certain brand due to one experience. I've had some pretty rude dealings with Dillon, but I still buy and use some of their tools. I've talked to them at the SHOT Show several times and they are brusk and rude, unless you have invested your life savings in their equipment.

At those same SHOT Shows, I've talked to the people at Lyman, RCBS, Hornady and Redding, and they have all been pleasant and helpful. While I don't limit myself to any one brand of equipment, I also don't exclude any one brand, since they all have a few things they do better than the others.

I got a good deal on my LNL ($299.00 + shipping), and I received 1,000 Hornady .44 XTP bullets for the cost of shipping. In essence, I got the press for free. My old Pro-Jector is back at Hornady right now for a complete rebuild, and when it gets back, I'll then have two progressive presses on my bench, along with my RCBS Rockchucker, my Hollywood Sr. and my Magma Casemaster Jr.

Hope this helps.

Fred

rdc0000
November 30, 2008, 10:44 AM
If they were that bad, no one would buy them, 1000 bullets or not. Lots of happy LNL owners, and some of us old Projector owners too.

All the problems are documented here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=314049)

I'm talking engineering design flaws. Not merely inconveniences.

BTW, I like how my responses are all gone, but the rude trolling comment and this one essentially calling me a liar is still here. Thanks Highroad what are you a California company? Nice.

rdc0000
November 30, 2008, 11:09 AM
I have none of those problems. Maybe you got a lemon...or your just trolling.

Let's clear up a few things. I bought the LNL AP 2/2005. I've been trying to get this thing to run reliably for 3+ years. I've given it a fair trial and without the fixes in the link above I would not have gotten this far. It's your money, spend it how you want. I'll be talking to Hornady about my problems. No use wasting my breath here as this site seems to be heavily censored.

jfh
November 30, 2008, 11:15 AM
rdc0000: Your early comments were probably deleted because they changed the subject of the thread. "Staying on the subject" is important at this site, no matter which forum.

Another problem that leads to post removal can be attitude issues in the off-subject text. You might also want to consider avoiding sarcasm; one catches more flies with honey than with vinegar.

FWIW.

Jim H.

nksmfamjp
November 30, 2008, 12:12 PM
Is there some reason why we think this new system is better than a properly tuned wire? I'll hold off. I can see it taking a while to get the angle of that doodad right for all cartridges.

ReloaderFred
November 30, 2008, 01:36 PM
rdc0000,

This is called The High Road for a reason. Most of the posters believe in an honest exchange of ideas and information, without a lot of sarcasm, venom or accusations.

It's easy for an anonymous, faceless poster to hide behind an alias and post all kinds of rants. This forum tries to avoid that, and has been pretty successful, which is why I use it more than the others, including the two I'm a moderator on.

If you would tone down your posts, and have an open mind, and accept the concept that others may have had different experiences than you, then you'll find this a good forum, as it has a lot of good information. There is a lot of experience here, and a lot who have just started out reloading. The exchange of information is helping those just beginning, and the old timers are also learning from each other.

Hope this helps.

Fred

freonr22
November 30, 2008, 01:49 PM
i have only been here a short time, and i believe this is an excellent forum! where else is there this much information? from bullets to smithing, to restoration... totally unparalled

paul

SteveW-II
November 30, 2008, 01:57 PM
rdc0000, feel free to start you own thread if you want to have a discussion about the quality or otherwise of the LNL AP. That way any opinions you want to voice may stay in the thread.

My only intention in starting this thread was to let any prospective buyers of a LNL AP that there was a modification in the pipeline. That's all.

I don't own a LNL AP or work for Hornady, but have been considering buying one.

snuffy
November 30, 2008, 05:56 PM
OK you Dillon people.........Lets hear the total truth.

And what total truth might that be? That the dillon comes out of the box already set-up with the caliber you ordered, then you read the manual, it works! No fiddling, trimming, polishing, cussing, calling anybody to fix a badly designed machine.

Here's my collection of LNL complaint/problems links;

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306454

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=384290

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=362320&highlight=LNL

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=391909

Just to remind me to never consider one of them for purchase.

raz-0
November 30, 2008, 06:49 PM
Here's my collection of LNL complaint/problems links;

yeah, and people complain.

The dillon 650 is perfect right? Try going someplace liek the brina enos forum (LOTS of dillon users), and searching on 650 primer. The 650 has all sorts of problems with the primer system, has had several part redesigns to fix it, and eveyone seems to think dillon poops sunshine.

Dillon makes a great product. They stand behind it. But probably more importantly, there are a lot of users willing to tell how they got around their setup issues and problems.

What I don't yunderstand is why so manny dillon fanboys can't just shut the hell up while someone uses another brand.

Check your own links, and you'll see that most of the problems revolve around the same quirks, and MANY of them involve people who when their press doesn't operate smoothly just push harder (hey guess what, that can and has broken dillon presses as well). Heck, one of your links has someone complaining that case feeder is noisy. Like the dillon is quiet? It's a bunch of brass in a tub being rattled around, of course it is noisy.

Some things dillon has gotten smart about, like their how to use the 650 video. Hornady's dopcumentation is rather no-frills, something that leads to a lot of the frustration folks encounter.

snuffy
November 30, 2008, 07:19 PM
What I don't understand is why so many dillon fan-boys can't just shut the hell up while someone uses another brand.

I didn't start it, somebody implied there's issues with the dillon 650, same as the hornady POS.

OK you Dillon people.........Lets hear the total truth.

This thread, like a host of others, has degenerated into a red versus blue fight. It happens each time anything like this is brought up. I'm surprised someone hasn't said their lee loadmaster is better than the H machine. Some are------------.:neener:

I've never had a single problem with my 650 primer system. Other than the fact that you have to remove the shell plate to change sizes. But you have to anyway if you're changing calibers.

raz-0
November 30, 2008, 07:47 PM
I've never had a single problem with my 650 primer system. Other than the fact that you have to remove the shell plate to change sizes. But you have to anyway if you're changing calibers.

The most common primer system problem on the 650 is it getting mis-timed. This results in failure to feed a primer, flipped primers, and crushed primers. Usually intermittently before becoming totally useless. You cna also start getting flipped primers due to worn parts, just like you can on the LNL-AP.

Not that there is anything wrong with the 650 design. They made some design choices. This results in a more complicated and thus finniky primer system than the LNL-AP and the 550. However, it was a trade off.

These are benchtop manufacturing machines. They are 10lbs of compromise in a 5lb bag. I'd much rather people concentrate on how to make them work right than endless pissing and moaning.

As for "implying" the 650 has issues, it does.

seriously, this is the search for 650 and problem on brian enos. You'll notice PLENTY of bitching, and most of it is about the primer system. If you actually read the threads, you will find that 80% of it is the primer system getting out of proper timing. I'd categorize it as a maintenance issue, just like with the LNL-AP getting out of timing as the pawls (or more likely the pawl springs) wear. Dillon just seems to get pass because it is easier to find an answer from the community of dillon users. I'd argue this is an artifact of their former broad support for competition shooting. They are MUCH more picky these days about sponsorship and mostly just say no.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=08f1cbb34d1bd2925e03dc07ce1dfd81&search_in=posts&result_type=topics&highlite=%2B650+problem

SteveW-II
December 1, 2008, 05:58 PM
Midway USA is taking orders for the 'new' version of the LNL AP right now. The product description includes this text :

This progressive press features fully automatic indexing, a 5-station die platform that accepts most standard 7/8 x 14 thread dies and the EZject System which delivers 100% reliable cartridge ejection.

Availability and cost :

Product #: 679228
Our Price: $359.99
Compare at: $379.99 You save $20.00!
Sale Expires: Dec. 31, 2008

Status: Out of Stock, No Backorder
Date Expected In-Stock: 1/7/2009

So it looks like it's on sale until the end of December 08, with delivery anytime after 7th Jan 09. However, if you can't back order it, I don't know how you can place your order to take advantage of the price reduction ! :rolleyes:

I feel sure that other vendors will have the same delivery dates, if not the same prices.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=679228

Enuff of the product bashing, hair pulling and name calling please. If it doesn't stop I will be forced to get all preachy about how good the priming system is on my LoadMaster :barf: . So, enuff said. :)

cpo223
December 2, 2008, 03:00 PM
I ordered a LNL AP on Nov.11 from Midway and they were on back order, and was not supposed to ship until the end of Dec. according to my account on their site. It showed up today out of the blue, so I opened the box expecting to find the older model and it is the new EZject. Hopefully I can get some time too get it set up soon and let everybody know how it works.

Iron Sight
December 2, 2008, 06:05 PM
Do they have the 1000 free bullet offer with the new style reloader?

shooter313
December 2, 2008, 06:57 PM
I got my new one on October 30th. I have yet to get the 1000 free bullets from hornady. I have not even taken it out of the wrapper, and I am told I have to send it to them and spend another $100 to get the NEW press. I thought I bought a NEW press..?? It is not like it is months old when this new press first came to light. I will not mention the retailers name on here as I do not believe this to be the place for it. (But..I do know that while most dealers were out of stock when I bought it from them, they had it to me in 3 days. I got the press before I even got the shipping notice from their company.)
I am not saying it is a good or a bad press. What I am saying is that they should not sell (out dated materials) as being NEW. The price of the new press is the same as what I paid for mine, and has the same 1000 free bullets with it.
I hope when I get it set up it works well. I will certainly not buy any more products from the retailer that sold me the press. This was the first time I delt with this supplier and it WILL be my last.
I am simply stating what I believe to be true. The people at hornady are very friendly, but they can not seem to understand WHY I think a press that has been redesigned because of problems should not be sold as a NEW model within a months time of a new one coming out.
I just feel that I have been taken advantage of. I dont do this to other people and I dont expect it to be done to me.
Good luck to all that own them, including me.
Shooter313

TStorm
December 2, 2008, 08:21 PM
Emails to Hornady... (Read sequence from bottom-up):

"The lnl AP was not designed to seat the bullets in the 5th station." The Hornady seat crimp die body will not taper crimp a 9mm cartridge regardless if it is seating or not. The height of the seating rod makes no difference. The 5th station was one of your selling points. This is a design flaw. I was told by tech support rep on October 28, 2008, that he "had never heard of this problem." He took my name and address and stated that they would send another die body to make my 5th station functional if I wanted to use station 4 for a powder cop or other accessory. I was satisfied with this answer, but have yet to see the die he spoke of. It now sounds like this answer was intended to make me go away.

I can understand the arrangement to "overhaul" older units, but an "offer" of shipping (cost and time) and an additional 25% of the cost of my brand new unit to correct a known design flaw is not attractive. To do this to a customer who purchased while you were apparently clearing the old stock from the market prior to adding the "lower plate revision" (not introducing a new model) is just plain wrong. I have barely had this thing a month!

-----Original Message-----
From: tech [mailto:tech@hornady.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:27 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxx@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Technical Inquiries

The lnl AP was not designed to seat the bullets in the 5th station. It is a station designed to taper crimp. In 2009 we are introducing a new model that will allow the use of a seating die in station 5. we have removed the ejector wire. Your press can be retro fitted. We will perform the work in house and exchange 2 shell plates out with you. We will also perform any service work needing completed and pay the shipping back. The cost is $100.00 and $10.00 for each additional shell plate (after the first 2) This service will be available in late February. Thanks

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I purchased my LNL AP a few weeks ago and experienced difficulties with the Hornady seat/crimp die in Station 5 due to a conflict with the ejector wire. I contacted tech support over the telephone and was told they would send me a "shorter body die" to help with this situation. I have not received this die.

I also just learned there may be a modification coming out to the LNL lower plate to integrate cartridge ejection which would remove the need for the ejector wire.

1. Am I going to receive a shorter body taper or taper/crimp die compatible with the ejector wire as stated by tech support?

2. Is the modified lower plate with ejection system available for purchase?

3. Will my shellplate No. 8 be compatible with the new system?
(392608, SHELLPLATE #8 LNLAP & PROJ is above the bar code).

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Idano
December 2, 2008, 09:07 PM
I have not even taken it out of the wrapper, and I am told I have to send it to them and spend another $100 to get the NEW press.

Since it appears you haven't opened the box I would recommend sending it back to the place you bought it from. Shooter313 unfortunately you got caught in transition. It's an unavoidable situation that happens with every product, be it presses, cars, appliances, etc because of progress and refinement. I can tell you from personal experience that the Hornady AP is a well engineered and reliable press in the hands of a competent individual; I have had my press for nearly three years and loaded thousands of rounds without the problems that others have mentioned. I do have to say I am not fond of the ejector wire but it has not impeded my reloading, occasionally it will toss a case beyond the bin. I don't plan on sending in my press for the upgrade but I was hoping they would start accepting order for the sub plate. I am sure in time they will accept orders for the sub plate when it's no longer a hot item.

Even if you decide to keep your press I don't think you will regret it, the wire is not that big of issue. Like I said I have had mine for nearly three years and I love it. I bought the press and the case feeder for around $550 from Midway, added a low primer alarm, Dillon roller handle, quartrz halgon lamp, and a digital case counter.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=79084&d=1211996445

shooter313
December 4, 2008, 06:30 PM
That is exactly what I wanted to do. But the retailer I bought the press from would not accept it as a return because of the bar code being removed from the box. I HAD to remove the bar code to send it to hornady to get the free bullet offer, and it was not until after I sent in the rebate that I found out it was an out dated unit. So returning it was no longer an option.
I am in the car business, and when they have a model that will no longer be made, or one that will be undergoing a major redesigne there is always notice given to both the sellers and the buyers, and usually a big rebate is given to the customer so they dont feel screwed over when they buy the older model.
But there is nothing I can do about it. So I will keep it, and remember who I bought it from for future purchases.
Shooter313

farmrboy
December 5, 2008, 05:20 PM
I talked to Hornady yesterday pm. The CS rep said the free bullet offer is definately extended into 2009, and the EZject presses started shipping last week. They must have sold out of the ejector wire presses sooner than expected (thanks Barack!). I plan on ordering/buying an LNLAP next week if I can find one. The rep also said one can pick up the bullets at the factory if it's convenient to save the shipping costs. Yes, I asked that specifically because I'm in Grand Island at least once a week. But, if somebody's passing by on business or vacation, why not save the shipping costs and the UPS man's back.

goose2
December 5, 2008, 07:22 PM
I ordered mine from Natchez on 12-3-08. They said they just received 10 of them and I was lucky to get one of them. I will get it next week and will report back as soon as I get some time behind the wheel. Mine is the new EZ eject model as so will all of the new ones shipped. I had a hard time finding one on the internet and was very lucky to get the one I got. Now lets hope the shell plate is for the new model and not the old.

e-man
December 10, 2008, 10:49 PM
Hey goose we must of been looking at the press at the same time because I was also Verrry lucky to find this one after looking at all the usual suspects. I got double lucky because i didn't even know the ezject existed until today. Glad I got mine. I also got it from natchez dec. 3.:)

XDMHMMWV
February 6, 2009, 02:16 AM
I received my LNL AP in early December, and have yet to use it. I am wondering if there is not a simple upgrade to the whole thing. Why not rough up the area where the EzJect triangle would be, and JB wield a piece of steel there?

Globeguy
February 6, 2009, 11:51 AM
Can the new shell plates be used on old style LnL AP?

Wilburt
February 6, 2009, 12:27 PM
Can the new shell plates be used on old style LnL AP?

Yes.

WarHall
February 6, 2009, 12:32 PM
What I DIDN'T get was the shellplates - In fact, one of them (for the .40mm) is still on backorder! In the meantime, I had to be content with loading .308. Then, I finally got the .223 plate at the end of Jan. Let's see, I think I 'stuck' about 4 .308 brass in the die before destroying it. Took it back to where I bought it, and they were out of the dies. Had to find another place to buy it (Found one last week). Then, with the changeover to .223, I had problems with the case canting away from the primer feed - Got so mad I held the brass straight up, pushed down really hard, and destroyed the primer feeder plate and the guide wire. had to order those parts from Hornady - And, amazingly enough, the parts got here in less than 3 days - Gotta give them credit for that! So, I finally dialed in my .223, and started plunking away with the NEW Winchester brass, the Hornady Matchgrade (53 grain) HP's, and only had about 6 stuck cases...but I got them out without destroying the die this time! I finally moved on to reloading once-fired Privi Partisan Mil brass, and immediately got the case stuck. Gave up, and went to bed. I'm not so sure reloading is going to pan out for me....

snuffy
February 6, 2009, 12:55 PM
Warhall, quit using Hornady one-shot, you'll stop having stuck cases. Just guessing, did I nail it?

You meant .40 CAL, not MM right? If not, post a pic of your 40mm!

ReloaderFred
February 6, 2009, 01:07 PM
Warhall,

If you're sticking cases in the dies, it's not the fault of Hornady, or the LNL press. The lube is the fault, or you're not treating the dies and cases with it properly. You need to take a look at this part of your process.

On the .223, if you were using cases with crimped primers, did you remove the primer pocket crimps before you attempted to seat new primers?

It sounds like you may be new at reloading and jumped in with a progressive press, without knowing the basics of the process, but that's just a guess on my part, based on your comment that "I'm not so sure reloading is going to pan out for me...."

I hope you don't take this wrong, but you need to sit down and analyze what's occuring at each step of the process and get it set in your mind before the next step. If you don't have the Lyman 49th Reloading Handbook, I'd suggest getting it and reading the front of the book, which will help to explain what's occuring.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Walkalong
February 6, 2009, 01:13 PM
Ditto Snuffy & Freds comments.

RCBS Case Lube 2 or Imperial Sizing Die Wax. Far superior to one shot .

Master Blaster
February 6, 2009, 02:55 PM
I currently own and use a 550, and a LNL ap.

They both have their advantages and disadvanatges. They both have mechanical quirks as well.

WarHall
February 6, 2009, 08:48 PM
And yep, I've already learned that jumping on the progressive wasn't the best idea - Who knew you had to have a bazillion 'other' things? Well, I'm narrowing the problem down to the case lube, Hornady's One shot, since it seems to be the one common denominator in the whole mess. I don't need to mention that reloading supplies, as well as tools, are very scarce right now.(I'm still waiting for stuff I ordered mid-December!) Also, I've been looking into a problem I think I have with the De-primer, it seems that if I set the die up to the EXACT dimension it calls for (3/16") it doesn't unseat the primer, and if i adjust it down a little, it sticks the case. I haven't measured the pin yet, but that's next. maybe a longer pin will de-prime and not shove the bell into the case. (Hopefully).

ReloaderFred
February 6, 2009, 09:16 PM
You should be able to adjust the depth of the decapping rod. I may have missed what brand dies you're using, but most dies have adjustable decapping rods. Look at your die and see if the rod is threaded, with a lock nut. If so, just loosen the lock nut and screw the rod down a couple of turns and retighten the nut. If it's the type with a friction rod, it's still adjustable up and down, without screwing the die down any further. You just don't want to go down so far that the rod contacts the base of the cartridge on the inside.

Hope this helps.

Fred

WarHall
February 6, 2009, 09:33 PM
And stuck the case and the bell inside of it - I just got it out, but what a mess! So, I'm back to square one, I have all Hornady dies, by the way, I thought it appropriate since it's Hornady AP, and I also bought the 'Unique' case lube , It's still Hornady, but I hope it works better. I guess I need to settle down and just be a little more cautious with this sucker until I get it right. I've had a few friends over, all experienced reloaders, and although they give me advise on this and that, they too are surprised at what happens. Believe it or not, when I called Hornady tech support, they said I might have a 'bad' shell plate!? I imagine they make these by the thousands at least, just my luck I got the lemon...

Borg
February 7, 2009, 03:52 AM
Sticking cases is not a shell plate problem,, it's a lube, or lack of, that is.
Borg

WV_Vizsla
February 15, 2009, 12:06 AM
And let them dry. I also use the one shot heavy on the first 5 shells to lube the contact spots... never had one stick. Happy with my LNL after 1 1/2 years and ~10K in loads. Order extra eject springs (some have a better arc and case holder springs (I've smashed a few). My machine has never broke, but I have broke it. Hornady service is great for my errors. From my discussions with their CS wait till its warm to send in for upgrade, I may never do it. Your shell plate can be modified in a lathe to the new style if yer handy.

WV_Vizsla
February 15, 2009, 12:09 AM
to make sure the timing is stopping the shell plate dead on to the detent. Any before or after will bind cases.

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