[Demon440]

I know a few people that swear Clinton was pure evil. They gave me a video called "The Clinton Chronicles". I watched it and thought it seemed kinda far out, but this stuff could have all happend. Any opinions on this subject? Lets keep it clean, I would really just like to know if its all true.

[Skunkabilly]

I was too young to know much about politics, looking back I was a liberal Republican (only a Republican because I opposed affirmative racism since I was an Asian with 2nd-rate grades trying to get into college) so I wasn't vigilant enough to remember Mr Clinton's years.

What bothers me about him is he comes off as pompous; he has some kind of celebrity complex. OTOH Jimmy Carter, while I was only alive for three months of his presidency, as much as I dislike his politics, he comes off as more of a humble person and decent person.

[chaim]

Apologize for thread veer this early (is this a record) but I couldn't let this go...
...OTOH Jimmy Carter, while I was only alive for three months of his presidency... Oh no! Say it isn't so Skunk. I've never met you but I know you through this board and I just assumed you were an adult:evil: , I mean around my age more or less (i.e. within 6 or 7 years of my age). Only alive for 3 months of Carter's presidency. You mean you missed the 70's pretty much altogether?!:what: Man, I am feeling old (and I'm only 33 years old).

[S_O_Laban]

I was only ten when Cawtaar was elected, boy do I remember those four years:barf: Now back to the topic at hand. Yea I pretty much feel that there is overwelming evidence that Clinton was pure evil, and even though her husband seems likeable he was probabaly not any better. Just MHO:D

[jimpeel]

Is or was Bill Clinton that bad?

No, he was worse.

[sm]

Is or was Bill Clinton that bad?

Yes !

AR Native, whom used to see him tool around in his mustang, eat at Bard's, and hang with the characters around town. Many of these characters in the video you saw I presume. (I refuse to watch , read... anything Klinton...includes new library here). Many of these characters didn't fair too well...striped sunshine. Heck I have a friend whom changed her name twice, moved thrice just to keep from being hounded and approached for testimony in regard to those "escapades"...especially a certain judge.

Chaim, I may have been breathing mid 70's to '84...though "comfortably numb" most of that time ...I still knew the stench of political wrongdoings....48 now...gee how time flies when one loses a few years...:)

[Demon440]

I only remember people saying how great Clinton was during his time as president. I was 10-18 years old at that time, and did not really care anything about politics.
hey interesting web site you have Skunkabilly, I like the pictures.

[Mark Tyson]

Yes he was and is that bad. He's a disgraceful, cowering, lout. He did do a few worthwhile things - he saved the Kosovars(no small feat) from that mini-Hitler Milosevic. He instituted welfare reform, which was long overdue. You can't say he was dumb - he was one of the smartest president's we've had, Rhodes Scholar and all that.

But his craven behavior in the face of his many scandals makes him utterly despicable. I don't think he should have been impeached , but the honorable thing would have been for him to resign. Of course he has no honor. There was a time in this country when honor meant something. Hate to harp about "the good old days", which often weren't that good - but in this case it was true. In the 18th/19th centuries honor did mean something - life and death even, since people often dueled. With Clinton disgrace has lost all meaning.

[PeteyPete]

I was young during most of Clinton's tenure, but from everything i've read the only issue where I'd commend Clinton was him signing the Welfare Reform Act (written by Republicans). I still think it's too generous, but it was a move in the right direction.

[greyhound]

I am ashamed to admit that I fell for the MTV-boxers or briefs-Saxophone playing- cares about the young people hype and voted for Clintin in '92. I was just out of college, was (and still am) a registered independent, so I have no party loyalty.

Course, later on once the scandals started I regretted ever voting for him, and I sure didn't in '96.

The low point was the Lewinsky thing. I agree with Mark Tyson, he should have resigned.

He hasn't exactly been low profile since he left office, either.

[Tamara]

No, he wasn't "evil", he was something even worse: a well-intentioned do-gooder who sincerely wanted to help you whether you needed it or not, and who knew what you needed better than you did. For example, he didn't want to take away your guns because it would make it easier to turn you over to the aliens from Zoltar to be used as cattle feed, he wanted to take away your guns because, gosh, those things are dangerous and you're just too much of a poor, dumb hick to realize it.

All in all, I think I'd actually have preferred "evil". :uhoh:

[Ala Dan]

What do U think?

Any scumbag that would visit Hanoi and have
his picture made beneath a portrait of that SOB
Ho Chi Minh and say, "Forget and Forgive" is a cowardly
bastard in my way of thinking; not fit to be a U.S. Citizen,
muchless President of our country!:D :uhoh: Plus, a
dope smoking, draft dodgeing war protestor; NAW
we did not, and do not need him now or ever.

AMERICAN POW'S & MIA's* 1956 -1973
Some still missing and remain unaccounted for.

58,000 faces on "The Wall"

another 200,000 wounded in action


HELL NO, I WON'T FORGET !

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Hemicuda]

but he is stupid too... I do not CARE if he bought a Harvard degree... he is plain out dumb... and he couldn't even keep himself out of trouble for a few measly years... Idiotic Moron is the best way to describe that doofus!

[Sean Smith]

Not only is he evil...
but he is stupid too... I do not CARE if he bought a Harvard degree... he is plain out dumb... and he couldn't even keep himself out of trouble for a few measly years... Idiotic Moron is the best way to describe that doofus!

Actually, he got his degees from Georgetown, Oxford and Yale. And last I checked he didn't come from money either.

The reality of Clinton was bad enough without making stuff up about him. He certainly WASN'T stupid in the usual sense, in fact he had the entire Republican Party wearing its heinie for a hat for about 8 years straight.

[foghornl]

I took a lower paying job in Charleston, SC in 1989 to escape from The Klintoons as Arkansas governor(s). Little did I know that they would become President & Mr. Klintoon a scant few years later....

But I refused to move out of the USA

[DorGunR]

As so many on this thread have said.........Klinton was/is a piece of crap.:barf:

[Missouri Mule]

Yes!

Yes and so is *******!:barf: :banghead: :fire: :barf: :barf: :barf:

[hillbilly]

I'm a native Arkie old enough to remember Clinton's first term as Gov.

He is evil, and smart, too.

What makes him soooooo evil is that he is good and slippery enough to make you think he really agrees with your side.

Then, once he's in power, he will screw you to the wall.

Examples: Photo op duck hunting with dead ducks in hand. Claimed, in a intereview, to have once been a member of the NRA board.

And you know what he then did about guns.

Another example: Made liberals think he was himself an old-fashioned liberal with all the comittments to welfare, etc. Then, he rips their guts out on welfare.

That's why he is called "Slick Willy." He is an outstanding actor and can convince people that he truly "feels their pain" on whatever issue they are concerned about. And once he gets his position of power, riiiiip, out comes your guts.

But, he is completely, totally, amoral. Not immoral, but amoral.

Immoral means going against morality.

Amoral means that moralilty or immorality are not even real categories.

The only real conviction he has is maintaining his own power.

And gifted, amoral, Machiavellian con men are evil. They don't care whom they destroy or how in order to keep power.

And if Bill is like that, can you imagine what Hitlary must be like?????? To be the "smartest woman in the world" and stay married to Bill just to keep up her chances for public power?????? How amoral and evil must she be? How black and cold is her heart?

hillbilly

[Mark Tyson]

Hemicuda:

Stupid and poor judgement are 2 different things. Clinton had good political sense and high intelligence, but very poor judgement in personal matters and low self control. This is not the same as stupidity.

[Augustwest]

But his craven behavior in the face of his many scandals makes him utterly despicable. I don't think he should have been impeached , but the honorable thing would havebeen for him to resign.

Roger that.

[foghornl]

How black and cold is her heart?

What heart ? ? ? ?

MS. Rodham-Klintoon-Rodham has no heart or soul. She is the epitomy of the galaxian black hole.....Produces nothing, consumes all. Cannot be satiated, has only desire for one thing...power

[Hkmp5sd]

Dereliction of Duty: The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Endangered America's Long-Term National Security by Robert Patterson

The Breach: Inside the Impeachment and Trial of William Jefferson Clinton by Peter Baker

Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years by Richard Lowry

Losing Bin Laden by Richard Miniter

Thunder on the Left: An Insider's Report on the Hijacking of the Democratic Party by Gary Aldrich

The Final Days: The Last, Desperate Abuses of Power by the Clinton White House by Barbara Olson

Off with Their Heads: Traitors, Crooks & Obstructionists in American Politics, Media & Business by Dick Morris

Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House by Gary Aldrich

High Crimes and Misdemeanors by Ann Coulter

Absolute Power: The Legacy of Corruption in the Clinton Reno Justice Department by David Limbaugh

Catastrophe: Clinton's Role in America's Worst Disaster by Christopher Ruddy and Carl Limbacher

Treason: Liberal Treachery From The Cold War To The War On Terrorism by Ann Coulter

[fish2xs]

evil? yes. but unlike other posts, i contend that he is very smart.

[Skunkabilly]

Funny that, with all his intellegence, not only did he not understand the meaning of the word 'relation', people believed him too.

[Yanus]

Is or was Bill Clinton that bad?

Yep, lower than crocodile piss..................

Since my mother's family lived in Ark, we had his number a long time ago.
Born in Hope, a few miles from Lewisville. What we used to call "pure white trash". What saved him was a connection to Earl Faubus (sp.) I think he was distantly related to him. However, I could be mistaken so don't hold that as Gospel. His mother was a lounge lizzard, who eventually left Hope for Hot Springs. That is where he grew up.

I agree with the previous poster. "Slick" isn't immoral, but rather ammoral.
He has no conscience nor morals, which makes him extremely dangerous.
He married into money with hillary's family. She always has been the ambitious one in the family. Without her, he would never have been POTUS.

Yanus

[BigG]

The guys who said he was evil or worse were correct, imho. Remember the "little feller" (Perot) he took 19% of the vote which gave us his Billness. :barf: I admit George Bush the elder was a BIG horse's patoot, but his son seems to have taken after his mother, thank God! :uhoh:

[emc]

Clinton is by no means stupid. However, he is a very calculating individual, and an excellent actor. One of the best liars we've ever had in politics. Some have defined a sociopath as an individual who has no moral restraints, or regard for society or other persons. This would appear to match Clinton rather well. Note that he never apologized for any wrongdoing on his part. In his eyes, his only mistake was in being caught.

At the time of the '92 elections, I categorized the three major candidates as follows:

Clinton - Someone who would say or do anything to achieve his ends. Untrustworthy in the extreme.

Perot - The human equivalent of a loose cannon. Some good commentary and ideas, but just a bit odd, to put it nicely. Unstable, to some extent.

Bush - The occasional good intention, but a country club republican who never believed fully in the 2nd Amendment, or in limited government. Also, an individual who was not capable of making snap decisions under pressure. Regardless of the issues pertaining to international/UN agreements, his decision to allow the Iraqi forces to escape and to avoid removing Hussein will be regarded by history as an incredible error.

FWIW,

emc

[Joe Demko]

I disagreed vehemently with everything he did on the gun issue. However, he did nothing that the Republicans wouldn't have eventually done. The rest of his record? Since he was a "centrist" and took his positions from both the left and the right, if he was evil then so were the original sources of his material.
He was dishonest. So was his Bush I. So was Ronald Reagan. So was Gerry Ford. So was Jimmy Carter. So was Milhouse (on a grand scale). So was Lyndon Johnson (on just as grand a scale). So was John F. Kennedy. In fact, we haven't had an honest president in quite some time, if we ever did. The only differences seem to be in whether they got caught while still in office or not. It was easier pre-TV for presidents to get away with stuff, as there weren't enormous Nielsen ratings to be had for running the story of a presidential scandal.
Frankly, I don't think he materially different from the rest of the Republicrats.

[Keith]

Anybody remember Johnny Chung? Chung was registered with the state department as an agent of the Chinese Army. Not like a "secret agent", but a registered lobbiest.

Chung visited the White House on numerous occasions and gave Bill oodles and oodles of money - he also gave Hillary $80,000 on one occasion to bankroll a fundraiser for her.

It is against the law for a politician to accept money from a foreign government, for obvious reasons - treason, being one of them. Yet, when Hil and Bill were caught doing this, they finally gave the money back, claiming they didn't know Chung was Chinese... The guy had signed in to the White House a dozen times using his Chinese government credentials. He talked with Bill about all kinds of things of interest to the Chinese Government, and particularly the Chinese army which owns dozens of corporations (Norinco, for example).

But Bill had no idea he was Chinese. And Reno squashed any and all investigations into the matter.

A sitting president took millions of dollars from the Chinese Army and nothing was done about it! This isn't a tinfoil hat accusation - all of this happened, Clinton admitted he took the money, but it was just a "mistake" because he thought Chung, resident of Hong Kong, registered agent of the Chinese Army, was just an American businessman whose hobby was visiting the White House with enormous bags of cash...

Treason - there's no other word for it.

Keith

[C.R.Sam]

Evil amoral sociopath.

Sam

[barqfox]

I all depends on your definition of 'evil' :D

Or was that depending on the definition of 'it'? :scrutiny:

Eh. He had a flawed character, and he let his personal relationships get out in the open, and as far as I'm concerned, the whole scandal was a big wad of egg on the US's face. Did he make the US look bad? Sure, but he had the media and the Starrish Inquisiton to help with it. Did he screw the American people over? Depends on your party affiliation. :P

-Tom

[Keith]

Did he screw the American people over? Depends on your party affiliation. :P

What affiliation do you have with the Chinese Communist Party? If none, why would you excuse a politician who accepted millions from that party?

I'd say accepting money from the Chinese Communists is an insult to every American, regardless of party.

Keith

[gburner]

if he was an ice cream flavor, he'd be pralines and dog turd crunch.:barf:

[Tamara]

I'd say accepting money from the Chinese Communists is an insult to every American, regardless of party.

Yes, it is. So's giving weapons under the table to Islamic fundamentalist regimes, burgling your opponent's campaign headquarters, shredding documents, pardoning crooks, and numerous other wonderful acts done by previous administrations. The only really virtuous president we've had in the last 40 years was hopelessly idealistic, comically inept, and a trusting rube. The parade of executive branch malfeasance over the last several administrations is almost enough to make one look back and wonder what exactly Nixon did that was so scummy. It can make one a little jaded... :(

[Keith]

So's giving weapons under the table to Islamic fundamentalists

That's largely an urban myth created by the liberals. We gave money and arms to the Afghani's, and we damned well should have.
But this "we armed Saddam" thing is silly and never happened.

*Note that he following reports uses "thousands of millions" instead of the more familiar (to Americans) "billions".

Excerpt from 1998 report on the Iraqi military for the Center for Strategic & International Studies:
In the key period between 1973-91 the US exported a mere $5 million of weapons to Iraq.
The UK sold $330 million-worth of arms.
Germany $995 million
China $5,500 million
France $9,240 million
Russia (USSR) $31,800 million.

[Tamara]

That's largely an urban myth created by the liberals. We gave money and arms to the Afghani's, and we damned well should have.

Uh, actually I was referring to the Iranians...

(That's okay, though, as most of the principals couldn't "precisely recollect" it happening, either. ;) )

[Ala Dan]

Follow Up Post-

And just think for one minute folk's; we the hard working
American tax payers have too pay for his Secret Service
executive protection detail for life, while he is out and
about his usual way's.:( What a waste of OUR money !

I have friends within the Secret Service who just cringe
on the thought of being assigned to protect Bro' Bill.:D

I'm sure glad I don't have to protect that scumbag. Cuz
I just might not could move quick enough to take a round
for that idiot?:uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Keith]

Uh, actually I was referring to the Iranians...

The Shah was NOT an Islamic Fundamentalist!

Keith

[Tamara]

No, but Khomeini was. But, hey, at least he helped get those four Americans out of Beirut! :cool:

How quickly we forget... :uhoh:

[Keith]

I am unaware of us ever giving the Iranians any arms after the Shah fell, so refresh my memory.

Keith

[gburner]

So lemme get this straight. Clinton is/was neither good nor bad. It depends on the context in which you view him and whom you choose to compare him to?????

So it all depends on what the definition of 'is' is. That's the same type of quibbling and moral relativism that was Clinton's stock and trade. Those of you who embrace it need to reset you compasses. The most evil thing the Devil ever did was convince man that He did not exist.:banghead:

[emc]

Questionable actions on the part of others do not make questionable actions on the part of any given individual less so. In that same vein, when mention is made of questionable actions on the part of prior presidents, that does not excuse anything done by Clinton.

emc

[Demon440]

Anybody remember Johnny Chung? Chung was registered with the state department as an agent of the Chinese Army. Not like a "secret agent", but a registered lobbiest.

Chung visited the White House on numerous occasions and gave Bill oodles and oodles of money - he also gave Hillary $80,000 on one occasion to bankroll a fundraiser for her.

It is against the law for a politician to accept money from a foreign government, for obvious reasons - treason, being one of them. Yet, when Hil and Bill were caught doing this, they finally gave the money back, claiming they didn't know Chung was Chinese... The guy had signed in to the White House a dozen times using his Chinese government credentials. He talked with Bill about all kinds of things of interest to the Chinese Government, and particularly the Chinese army which owns dozens of corporations (Norinco, for example).

But Bill had no idea he was Chinese. And Reno squashed any and all investigations into the matter.

A sitting president took millions of dollars from the Chinese Army and nothing was done about it! This isn't a tinfoil hat accusation - all of this happened, Clinton admitted he took the money, but it was just a "mistake" because he thought Chung, resident of Hong Kong, registered agent of the Chinese Army, was just an American businessman whose hobby was visiting the White House with enormous bags of cash...

Treason - there's no other word for it.

Keith

thank you, thats perfect, and web sites to back this up?

[Hkmp5sd]

I am unaware of us ever giving the Iranians any arms after the Shah fell, so refresh my memory.

Well, technically, we sold them arms. Some fellow called Oliver North.

[buzz_knox]

No, he wasn't "evil", he was something even worse: a well-intentioned do-gooder who sincerely wanted to help you whether you needed it or not, and who knew what you needed better than you did.

I have to vehemently diasgree with this. I don't think Clinton is a do-gooder at all and only wanted to help himself. Clinton is a sociopath whose life was dedicated to personal power and gratification. Even if the accusations of sexual assault and rape were not credible (and they are), his treatment of women argues against any claim of "having a good heart." The ease with which he subverted the legal and political systems for his own sake, and the fact that he willingly compromised American security at every turn in order to promote his own career are further evidence.

Most telling of all, he had a pattern of taking military action whenever necessary to divert attention from his personal situation. Lewinksy's testimony about to go public? Launch cruise missiles at a target you know is not legitimate. Impeachment about to begin? Start an aerial campaign.

[Keith]

thank you, thats perfect, and web sites to back this up?

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/11/1/35646

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/16/chung/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/players/chung.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17251

http://www.dailyrepublican.com/johnny_chung_info.html

[buzz_knox]

Well, technically, we sold them arms. Some fellow called Oliver North.

Well, to be really technical, the Israelis provided the weapons to the Iranians and we arranged the deal.

[Waitone]

Evil? Amoral?

I prefer the term "cunning" to describe him.

While it is gratifying to pile on Slick Willard, we must not forget it was we, the voter who voted him in office. . . . .twice. First time we can have some slack cut because quite frankly he was an unknown. Second time around there are no excuses. We knew up front and in great detail what he was yet we the voter voted him in.

Let us also remember Clinton could not have gotten away with his actions without the active participation of Trent Lott. It was Trent Lott and Rick Santorum who gave Clinton a pass. If a real trial was conducted, Clinton would have been removed from office. Instead he was given a pass and from that point on outrageous, in-your-face crimes and malfeasance (?sp) was easy to get away with. I draw a straight, broad line from Lott's refusal to conduct a trial to selling of pardons to election 2000 hijacking to outright violation of the constitution when it comes to approval of judges. Spinelessrepublicans have consistently refused to exert any negative consequences on democrat behavior. So why are we surprised at their behavior. Anyone with a two year old can write a book on what happens to a free moral agent when there are no consequences to bad behavior.

Clinton is responsible for what Clinton did. Trent Lott is responsible for making sure no price was paid.

I put Clinton and Lott on the same level. One is amoral. The other is amoral. What's the diff??????

[Keith]

I do recall that now that it is connected to Oliver North. A few of my synapses still function...

Ollie is (was) an ambitious idiot with no more regard for the law than any other criminal.

Keith

[buzz_knox]

if he was an ice cream flavor, he'd be pralines and dog turd crunch

Perfect. Absofraggingperfect.

[Sean Smith]

Ollie is (was) an ambitious idiot with no more regard for the law than any other criminal.

So how do you feel about the (Republican) administration that sponsored his activities? Or do you belive that a piddly light colonel was able to create an entire illegal foreign policy activity all by himsef? Bearing in mind that even full colonels in Washington, D.C. are glorified coffee fetchers.

[Silver Bullet]

Bad as he was, his evil would pale by comparison if any of the following become president: Hillary, Feinstein, Jesse.

[Demon440]

Why is Hillary so bad? Other than being an anti.

[Hkmp5sd]

Well, to be really technical, the Israelis provided the weapons to the Iranians and we arranged the deal.

Well, to be really, really technical, we sold the weapons to Israel, who sold them to Iran with the US as the middleman and making a nice profit. :)

[Tamara]

Well, to be really technical, the Israelis provided the weapons to the Iranians and we arranged the deal.

No, the first planeload of antitank missiles and advanced radar components came straight from us, hand delivered by North and Nat'l Security Advisor Robert MacFarlane, along with a chocolate cake for the speaker of the Iranian parliament. Subsequent batches were funneled through the Israelis.

"Our government has a firm policy not to capitulate to terrorist demands. That 'no concessions' policy remains in force, in spite of wildly speculative and false stories about arms for hostages and alleged ransom payments. We did not - repeat - did not trade weapons or anything else for hostages nor will we." -Reagan, 11/13/86

"Mistakes were made... Let me just say it was not my intent to do business with Khomeini, to trade weapons for hostages, nor to undercut our policy of antiterrorism." -Reagan, 12/6/86

"To be sure, the linking of arms sales to the release of hostages at several points during this 15-month episode could be interpreted as a trade of arms for hostages, but this was not the policy approved by the President." -White House press release, 1/30/87

An order signed by Reagan was later discovered approving the arms sale for "hostage rescue."


I'm not trying to draw a pattern of moral equivalency here, for one would hope that Reagan wanted to get the hostages back as badly as he wished to be kept from looking weak on terrorism after his 1980 presidential campaign, where Carter's inability to get hostages released was such an important point, while Clinton's screwups were pretty much for 100% personal gain. I'm merely pointing out that Americans have been so inured to shenanigans in Washington that a sitting President would pretty much have to murder his family in their White House bedrooms with a fire axe to even raise Joe Sixpack's eyebrows anymore.

[Silver Bullet]

To me she personifies to the extreme the politicians who think they know what's best for everybody else;

the people who think they can run businesses from an office in DC better than the local Wal-Mart manager who knows his customers and what they need;

the people who would restrict automobiles to four models because the customer will get confused with too many choices;

the people who would restrict automobiles to 55MPH because people don't "need" to drive faster;

the people who would abolish private ownership of guns while maintaining armed guards for themselves;

the people who made Social Security mandatory for almost every American except themselves, because they set up a much better retirement deal for themselves;

the people who would install themselves and their pals in government to be in charge of the little people, the same little people who actually have all the skills and work ethic and morals that built this country.

For people like Hillary, it comes down to this: they need us, and we don't need them.

Just my opinion.

[Keith]

So how do you feel about the (Republican) administration that sponsored his activities?

I don't vote for Republicans.

Keith

[hillbilly]

Why is Hillary so bad?

Really?

Well, there's that abortion of a National Health Care system she tried to ramrod through.

Remember, that thing was so socialistic that even a Democratically controlled House and Sentate killed it. It would have been the single biggest governmental disaster in American history.

Hillary's book "It Takes A Village?"

Hillary's whole philosophy is one of no individual rights but total governmental control over the smallest, most minute aspect of individual's lives.

Here's one famous Hillary quote:

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society"

Got it?

Uh, I think Lenin and Stalin and even that wacky guy named Hitler had similar outlooks on the needs of individuals as compared to the demands of society..........

And, she's a conniving, black-hearted monster bent on total domination at any cost.

hillbilly

[buzz_knox]

I'm merely pointing out that Americans have been so inured to shenanigans in Washington that a sitting President would pretty much have to murder his family in their White House bedrooms with a fire axe to even raise Joe Sixpack's eyebrows anymore

Agreed. But then again, I'm one of those who might be willing to deal with lesser evils to achieve a greater good. For example, we had an opportunity to get an agent inside Al Queda but the CIA wasn't allowed to recruit him because he was involved in a 1986 disco bombing. Come to find out, he ended up having intell on 9/11 long before it happened. In the intelligence biz, you don't always have the opportunity to work with squeky clean people.

[Demon440]

I know how everone says she is, but what has she done or said that makes people believe that?
Also, someone told me that Bill once quoted hittler in one of his speeches, is this true? Something about full gun registration.

[Tamara]

I know that, but a "no comment" will do as well as a bald-faced lie. :uhoh:

[hillbilly]

Here's an Arkie's take on Hillary.

Hillary was originally known as Hillary Rodham when she first married Slick Willy.

But Slick Willy lost the Gov.'s seat to Republican Frank White, and one of the reasons was that Slick Willy's liberal, high-falutin' Yankee Carpetbagger wife, uh, I mean Hillary, was a bit too, well, "Wesleyan" for us old Arkies, what refusin' to even take Bill's name and all.

Well, next Gov.'s election, and Voila!!!! It's Hillary CLINTON, not Rodham, not even Rodham-Clinton, just plain old Hillary Clinton. And Slick Willy reoccupies the Gov.'s office....

She changes even her name to suit her political purpose.

Also, it's widely suspected in Arkansas that even the conception and birth of Chelsea Clinton was not driven by any maternal instincts or familial love, but by the calculation that Bill needed to look "more fatherly" to stay up in the Arkie polls.

Let's see, what else has Hillary done, besides tryng to socialize American medicine?

Mmmm....how about sticking with slimeball Bill after Monica, after Gennifer Flowers, after God Knows who or what else.........

You think Hillary stayed with Bill out of love, or out of cold political calculus?

Her every word, deed, action, and decision shows who and what she is.

hillbilly

[Tamara]

And you know what really annoys me? Those who swoon over what a "strong woman" Hillary is, when she got to where she is by being a parasitic organism on a man's career. :scrutiny:

[Silver Bullet]

Lotsa things. I'm not a fan, and so I don't keep a scrapbook, and so I can't possibly list them all. A person's opinion of someone isn't necessarily a database of individual facts or events. Frequently the individual events invoke an opinion or emotional response at the time they occur, and after several years the opinion is based on the accumulated feelings brought on by someone's actions or statements.

If you want an example of a recent event, it would be that in the immediate aftermath of the blackout in the northeast, Hillary immediately started screaming that it was Bush's fault. Apparently she doesn't know that the President doesn't run the power companies.

And this makes her one of the modern politicians who place politics over principle, someone who tries to get ahead by running other people down rather than offer any solutions herself or make any substantive contribution.

[Sean Smith]

And you know what really annoys me? Those who swoon over what a "strong woman" Hillary is, when she got to where she is by parasiting her way along on a man's coat tails.

But she's a feminist icon! The National Organization of Women says so! What kind of womyn are you, Tam?

:evil:

[Quartus]

The Clinton Chronicles

Far fetched? Tinfoil hat time?


Not on your life. Those videos were thoroughly researched, and they've stood up to libel suits. If there was anything in there that could not be proven, the Klinton machine would have CRUSHED the producer. They tried.

The producer is a friend of mine. His name is Pat Matricianna, and he is a patriot and an honest man. He can't be bought or intimidated. The Clinton machine certainly tried, though:

Two of the troopers named as suspects in the Chronicles hired some VERY expensive lawyers (well connected with the Klintons and waaayyyy past what a couple of State Troopers could afford, and NOT on a contingency fee) to sue Pat for libel. Their lawsuit was eventually tossed out by a Federal Appeals court, and the judge's opinion was scary just by itself. He said the case should never have gone to trial, and would NOT have if FBI agents hadn't perjured themselves.

One of Pat's photographer/investigators (and friend) wound up with a .45 hole in his forehead while investigating in Arkansas. That was a common occurance in those days. See the videos for more of the same.

They were given the full press IRS audit for every year the Klintons were in power, after they started investigating.

Their phones were tapped. (Pat has some interesting friends who can monitor such things.)

They received anonymous threats.



And have you seen that list of mysterious disappearanes and deaths of people who were connected with Klinton? The original is real, though there have been many copies circulated, some with bogus names and incidents added. Hmmm. To discredit the list?


If you want to know how evil the Klinton's are, check out the videos:

http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/




BTW, if you want to watch a good film that SHOULD have been an Oscar contender, but didn't get to the theaters because of who the producer was, check out The Joyriders (http://store.yahoo.net/jeremiahfilms/jrv118.html). I was at the initial screening, and was very impressed with Martin Landau. I hadn't known he was such a find dramatic actor. I think Hollywood's love of Klinton robbed Landau of an Oscar.

It's a little intense for small children.

[Sean Smith]

Screed follows:

One thing that astounds me is that anybody could possibly want to vote for Hillary. As much as his objective records shows him to be an unprincipled bastard, Bill is at least able to show off a superficially likable veneer. If you don't think too hard, you can sort of convince yourself that he isn't all that bad, really. Bill Clinton is a huckster, something that we learned to deal with on a rational level, but has no real biological antecedent. He is a likable guy, even if he is interested in you in the same way fleas are interested in dogs.

Hillary, on the other hand, radiates some kind of primeval nastiness. That little crocodile-style brain buried under my cerebrum picks it up quite clearly. She is the smell of carrion-eating scavengers belly-crawling their way to your nest when you are off sunning on a rock. The sight of huge buzzards with cherry-red heads circling over what you just killed for lunch. The sound of bone clubs beating on rocks just outside the ring of light cast by your cave-fire. I can rationally pick apart the ideological dog food that makes up her platform, but I wouldn't vote for her if she said she'd make the ATF give me free cases of Guinness, Cuban cigars, and 10mm ammo.

I imagine a feminist ideologue would write this off as some kind of "problem with strong women," but I'm not in the business of being influenced by the side effects of penis envy. More to the point, I don't compare strong women to buzzards; I hit on them. And as Tamara pointed out, playing lamprey to the shark that is your husband doesn't smell like the makings of a feminist icon to me, unless the shark turns out to be a woman, too.

On an unrelated note, do lampreys have cankles?

[Quartus]

So, Sean, please tell us how you really feel about her!

:D




Agreed, though, except that she's not "The sight of huge buzzards with cherry-red heads circling over what you just killed for lunch."


In her book, YOU are lunch.

[bountyhunter]

What bothers me about him is he (Clinton) comes off as pompous; he has some kind of celebrity complex. OTOH Jimmy Carter, while I was only alive for three months of his presidency, as much as I dislike his politics, he comes off as more of a humble person and decent person.

Clinton and his wife were absurdly arrogant. When they first got to Washington, they fired a bunch of people in the travel office in the White House they didn't have the authority to fire. So, they were re-instated and the Clintons immediately started lying about firing them. What a stupid thing to lie about, but they genuinely believed they could just lie and get away with it anytime they wanted.

As far as a good president? Clinton was pretty good because I like governements who govern least. Like the doctor's oath: First, do no harm. Wish the current administration had followed that one.

Carter seemed like a nice guy, but he was one stubborn SOB who refused to compromise and was clueless about working with people to get them to see his point of view. PBS just ran a two-hour special on him. he was an engineer, and we engineers tend to see everything as problem/solution and don't want to keep re-hashing all sides of every problem. Good characteristic for an engineer, BAD for a president who has to get people to vote for his proposals. he may have set a record for accomplishing the least of any presifdent in history.

[Skunkabilly]

he may have set a record for accomplishing the least of any presifdent in history.

As a libertarian, I kind of see that as a virtue :p

[Monkeyleg]

Both of the Clinton's are evil. We can talk about what Reagan did, or Bush I, or Nixon, or Kennedy, but Clinton tops them all. Nixon tried to cover up illegal campaign activities that he wasn't entirely aware of when they occurred. If he had fired Halderman and Ehrlichman, he might have survived.

Clinton's laundry list of corruption began the day he took office in Arkansas and continued right until his last day in the White House.

Hillary made over $100,000 from a $1000 "investment" in cattle futures. As a former commodities trader, I can tell you--as have many commodities brokers have told me--that what she did was impossible. Her adviser was Robert "Red" Bone, who was closely tied to Tyson foods, the largest company in Arkansas.

The travel office firings and the smearing of its employees were all designed to give the travel contracts to Clinton's friends the Thomases.

Bill Clinton--over the objections of the Pentagon and the State Department--ok'd the transfer of missile technology to China, technology that transformed the Chinese March I rocket from an international joke to a serious weapons delivery system.

The Chinese must have been grateful, because--as has been noted--money flowed to the DNC from Chicom generals in 1996.

Clinton met at least once with Indonesian tycoon Riady of the Lippo group. Johnny Huang acted as a bagman to transfer money to the Clinton campaign from the Lippo group.

Clinton federalized the Escalante steps area of Utah, without consulting with the government of Utah. Why? Only three areas on earth have large deposits of low-sulfur coal, and the Escalante steps area is one of them. One of the other three is owned by the Lippo group, which can now charge more because the land in Utah can't be mined.

Clinton's last act was the pardoning of fugitive Mark Rich, which helped Hillary court the vote of a certain Jewish sect in NYC.

The Clinton dirty laundry list is much longer than this, but this should give a Cliff's notes version of what happened to those too young to know.

Bill Clinton--unlike other presidents--has no core principles. Welfare reform meant nothing to him, except that he could steal a Republican issue, thus weakening Bob Dole a bit. I'm sure that gun control meant nothing to him, either, except that it was popular at the time, and he didn't need those hicks back in Arkansas anymore.

The only thing that matters to Bill or Hillary is Bill or Hillary. Notice I said "or," not "and." I don't think that there's any bond between them other than political, and either one would sell the other out if it advanced his or her agenda. Theirs is the most unholiest of alliances, not a marriage but a Machiavellian pact, a compact with the devil himself (or herself). I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Chelsea does party tricks by turning her head 360 degrees.

[Hkmp5sd]

hand delivered by North and Nat'l Security Advisor Robert MacFarlane, along with a chocolate cake for the speaker of the Iranian parliament. Subsequent batches were funneled through the Israelis.

It could also be said that we did give weapons to Iran. North also took several pairs of pistols in presentation cases that were to be given as gifts to the Iranians. Before they could be handed out, the Iranian guards at the airport had already snatched them up for themselves.

[Standing Wolf]

History is already recording Snopes Clinton as America's single worst president. May we never have another contender for the distinction!

[standingbear]

clinton that bad? are you kidding?hes not a good liar either..forgive and forget...dont think so,commies are commies no matter what clothes they wear.coward?DO think so.would i trust him again..notta chance.do i have faith in ANYTHING he does?no way..the mans a loser.:barf:

[seeker_two]

Bill and Hillary Clinton are the epitomie of pure evil.....

Each is only concerned with his/her-self and his/her own accumulation of power and perks....

Each is willing to bend, sell-out, destroy, or kill ANYTHING or ANYONE to achieve their ultimate goal....

Each has only one moral underpinning driving them---ME FIRST....

And each has no conscience about his/her actions.


Someone once said, "The greatest deception that the Devil ever accomplished was convincing the world that he didn't exist." I believe that the Devil's greatest deception was making people think that there was only ONE Devil....:evil:

[Futo Inu]

Well, the NRA dubbed him "the most anti-gun president in U.S. history", and I believe that this was no exaggeration (sp?). Therefore I hated his guts (and still do). That's the result when you want to take people's guns. What really steamed me is one time Billy Boy got some camera time shown duck hunting with our very own state Congressman Bill Brewster, of course to show that he's not against hunters. :rolleyes: On other issues he didn't seem so bad, other than his perjury.

[BowStreetRunner]

I think that if Hillary was president the NRA would have to revise that statement to make H. Clinton, not B. Clinton, the most anti-gun president in history......
that woman is scary
not to mention a carpetbagger......
not to mention a closet communist
"it takes a village!"
bu&*$%&t woman, hands of my kids with your village!
Ill raise them myself!

[Hkmp5sd]

Although I hate to admit it, while Bill Clinton is anti-gun, had Bush(41) been reelected, he would have signed the AW ban and Brady Act. Congress was already far along in passing the ban and I honestly don't believe Bush(41) would have taken a stand and vetoed the bill. Especially after his actions in 1989.

[Quartus]

BushElder being a coward doesn't make Clinton any better.

[Tamara]

"And fourth, 2 months ago, at my direction, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms suspended the importation of certain so-called assault weapons. ATF is continuing its examination to determine which, if any, of those weapons are not acceptable under standards in existing law. And at the conclusion of this study, and after careful consideration, we will permanently ban any imports that don't measure up to these standards.

Recently the U.S. News cover story on guns summed up a related challenge: ``the difficulty in drafting laws that will separate assault weapons used in crime from semiautomatics frequently used for legitimate hunting and sport.'' And there is substantial controversy and debate on this point. You're all well aware of that. But one thing that we do know about these assault weapons is that they are invariably equipped with unjustifiably large magazines. The notorious AKS - 47, for example, comes with a magazine that pumps off 30 explosive bullets without reloading. And that is why -- fifth -- we stand on the steps here in front of the Capitol and ask its support for legislation prohibiting the importation, manufacture, sale, or transfer of these insidious gun magazines of more than 15 rounds." -George Bush, 5/15/89

Yup, Bush I was no friend of gun owners. :(

[GSMD Fan]

I think we all forget the good we got from Clinton.

It is now offical, fellatio is not considered sex.

That has proabley gotten some guys out of trouble with wives/girlfriends.
Now they could say "I did not have sex with that woman!!!"

I remember watching his testimony
Best question ever asked-

"How did the seman get on the dress, Mr President?"

Come on, how many presidents have answered those questions?

[SteelyDan]

My take: Bill is/was the consummate politician, with more than the usual quota of slipperiness that entails. My one-cent amateur analysis is that he was fundamentally insecure (maybe the child-of-alcoholic thing, who knows), and thereby driven to over-achieve and seek approval on every level. At heart, I don't think he's "evil," in fact I think he wanted to do good. Unfortunately, I just happened to disagree with most of his beliefs. If he were my next-door neighbor, I could enjoy having him over for a beer and barbeque, but I wouldn't want my daughter to babysit for him. For the record, I never even considered voting for him.

On the other hand, Hillary truly scares me. It's hard to explain, and the half-dozen "examples" I could remember have already been cited. But it's really deeper than that; it's just a feeling you get about a person. The terms "black hole" and "power hungry," mentioned above, seem--to me--to fit her to the ultimate degree. This is one very spooky and smart woman, and I'm worried that a lot of women will vote for her just because she is a woman. Oh, that reminds me, gotta go stock up on some more ammo...

[Quartus]

At heart, I don't think he's "evil,"


There are quite a few people in Arkansas who would disagree.



If they could.

[Khornet]

is often mistaken for a humble man, because that is his pose. But there is a special kind of humility which is actually rampant pride. For Jimmy, humility and kindnes and sensitivity and introspection and wondering why they hate us are his way of being better than the rest of us. He is steeped in the rank sin of pride like the man who wears sackcloth and ashes and fasts all day, while his heart is full of smoldering contempt for those who do not. He is the kind of man is out demonstrating against your SUV while his aged mother is at home washing his dirty underwear without any help from him.

"A liberal," said Robert Frost, "is a man too open-minded to take his own side in a quarrel." When America is attacked, Mr. Carter's first thought is how to be on the righteous, enlightened side, not how to get the ones who done it. In short, he cares more about his holy virtue than about his country.

[Waitone]

Dr. Khornet,

Interesting comments you make. Even more so since you obviously are not a member of the southern fraternity.

Those who live in and study the south view Mr. Carter and quickly determine that what you see is not humility but an iron willed pride. Social patterns in some areas of the south haven't changed over the generations and in those places there is an inordinate priority placed on social graces. One grace that can often get out of hand is that of humility.

If you run up against someone of that stripe in a social or business situation expect considerable social jousting as both sides jockey for position but at some point the facade of humility will fall and you'll be confronted with unadorned pride for all to see.

[BigG]

He is steeped in the rank sin of pride That's the best 25-cent analysis on Jimma Carta (JC) :eek: Look at those initials! :eek: I've ever seen on this site. Humble my @$$! :barf:

[Missouri Mule]

NO...he was and is worse than BAD!

Now it is only my sorry a--ed opinion but.....

I truly feel he and his cronies are exactly what our Bill of Rights and Constitution were created to protect us from.


The saddest part of the story is his primary coinspiritor could be a future president.


I certainly will not vote for her. I'd vote for the terminator first and I think he is an idiot.


:cuss: :banghead: :fire: :barf:

[Deepdiver]

Is or was Bill Clinton that bad?

Yes!

and, did anyone say "morally bankrupt", yet????? If so, it bears repeating.

Morally bankrupt!!

[Skunkabilly]

Like I said, I'm way too young and unobservant to have any judgment but that was my first impression of Mr Carter.... :o

(skeptical as usual)

[Baba Louie]

Best dang politician this country has ever produced, that's all. Bar none. This guy could (and does) talk out of both sides of his mouth at once, says the right things to the right people, whatever it takes to get the votes. He is amazing. He could write THE book on political chicanery.

Very SLICK.

Also, the best president we ever had in way of Gun Sales.

Politically, one of the VERY best republican presidents ever elected to the Democratic ticket, after the '94 republican taming of the House and Senate. Welfare reform alone was worth the price of his admission.

Personally he never got even 50% of the votes but, hey, he got enough of the electoral college to get into office, not once, but both times (whoever thought the American people were politically savvy?)

Shifted the focus from Whitewater to Non-Sex in the oval office ("Skillfully done, master. Too good") and only Vince Foster's suicide(???) as a sidenote.

Arkansas cocaine?

Never released Medical records?

Austrian summertime visit w/ friend from Rhodes waaay back when he had a beard, smoked (but did not inhale), protested American policy in SEA... always wondered what he did that summer... no one's talking or even cares anymore.

Entire American Patent library given (not sold...given) to PRC... what a guy.

http://www.fatima.org/library/cr55pg11.html
In March, according to an article in FDA Week , it was announced that U.S. Patent Com- missioner Bruce Lehman agreed to provide the Communist Chinese Patent Office the “entire” U.S. patent data base on magnetic tape free! This is no way to protect national security. According to the article, Commissioner Lehman has 'offered to provide the Chinese the entire collection of U.S. patent documentation covering over 160 years of patents in digital form' ”1

Who cares if you patented your "widget" and expect to be paid royalties as a result of your invention? It belongs to the world now at knock off labor rates...

A true humanitarian.

I can't begin to imagine why youse guys harbor such hidden hostility towards Billary and Hill :D

Two for the price of one.

Is this a great country or what?

Adios

[sarge83]

Clinton is sorrier than whale s*&^. He is a consumate liar and did nothing while in office except make things worse. He had NOTHING to do with the economy in the 90's except set an example for CEO's to follow. You know, wink and blink when doing the books only they got caught and prosecuted under Bush. Slick got away with his criminal activity.

He also sold us out to China and quiet probably left us a war to fight with them at some point in this century. Probably sooner than later thanks to him selling out our missle technology for campaign cash.

Morally bankrupt and he taught his alley cat mentality to a whole generation of children via the arse kissing media which brought him to us.

[Khornet]

I think 13 years' Navy service and 4 years in Missouri, 2 in North Carolina, 2 in South Carolina, 6 in Virginia suffice to make me an Honoroary Southerner. Plus a lot of reading Faulkner. Maybe that's why I noticed those things about JC.

[longeyes]

Depends on the meaning of "is."

"Don't ask, don't tell."

"I never had sex..." etc.

In a word, as Big Daddy said, MENDACITY.

As for the Bosnia mess, that one was fraught with ambiguities
from the beginning and was just a diversionary tactic, not some
great "humanitarian" mission. The Kosovars are, in essence, the
same folks we're fighting now and will be fighting tomorrow.

[Quartus]

Very well said, Khornet.




Shifted the focus from Whitewater to Non-Sex in the oval office ("Skillfully done, master. Too good")



<idiot mode>

No! You don't understand! It was all that evil right wing Ken Starr!!! HE'S the one to blame for the whole impeachment disgrace! He was just a right wing operative out to get our President!

</idiot mode>


Funny how soon people forget WHO picked Ken Starr. He was chosen from a list of three provided by......


Janet 'Waco' Reno.



His ties to the Clintons are well documented and go waaaaaay back. He was given, nay, PRESSURED into taking, sufficient evidence of criminal activity by the Clintons to put them away for life. He buried it. One of his investigators, a lifelong DEMOCRAT, resigned from the 'investigation' in disgust at Starr's obvious whitewashing.



Evil yes, but those who say he's stupid just aren't paying attention.

[waynzwld]

I can't believe some of the mild comments about the Clintons given here by some.

It is a well known fact that the Clintons are closet MARXISTS.

So is J. Carter. He single-handedly destroyed the U.S economy in less than one term.

Why do you think these people are always so cozy with communist states and dictators (China?).

They have nothing but contempt and loathing for the Constitution. Haven't you heard the BIG LIE these idiots all keep repeating, "it's a living document"? The Constitution MEANS EXACTLY what it says, if the meaning is supposed to constantly change, then why even have anything written down in the first place.
Their idea of a constitutional government is to have the same deal the Chinese communists have. Their constitution, can be changed at will by those in power to "adjust the “PRIVILEDGES” and "LAWS" of the Chinese people.

Doesn’t anyone remember all the whining from the democrats about how they would like to repeal the 22nd amendment to the constitution limiting the president to 2 terms so Slick Willie could be "elected" again, for a third term?

I'm sorry for the rant, but I can't believe how uninformed most people are.

[Waitone]

Ken Starr was indeed picked by Frau Reno.

What was not widely known is Mr. Starr was a member of a law firm that represented the comunist Chinese in Washington during Clinton's reign.

Stunk then, stinks now.

[Joe Demko]

Clinton was cut from the same cloth as his predecessors and his successor. I have only so much moral outrage to go around and I refuse to get all red-faced-and-spitting over just Clinton. Every president during my life has done egregiously wrong things. All of them. Clinton and Milhouse simply had the distinction of having their misdeeds continuously publicized.

[Hkmp5sd]

Yea, but Milhouse wasn't a draftdodger and didn't commit treason while in the White House. In fact, his downfall was due to his not being as gifted at lying as Clinton.

[Silver Bullet]

I truly feel he and his cronies are exactly what our Bill of Rights and Constitution were created to protect us from.
Very true. When the Clinton Federal government wanted to remove all firearms from a housing project by force, he was advised that it would be in violation of the Amendment protecting against Search and Seizure. His response was "isn't there some way we can get around it [the Amendment (!)]", not to mention trying to "get around" the Second Amendment.

[Baba Louie]

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." - President Bill Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." - Hillary Clinton, 1993

"I am here because I want to redefine the meaning of citizenship in America... If you're asked in school 'What does it mean to be a good citizen?' I want the answer to be, 'Well, to be a good citizen, you have to obey the law, you've got to go to work or be in school, you've got to pay your taxes and --- oh, yes, you have to serve..." - Bill Clinton at Volunteerism Summit

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." - Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is
Enough"

" The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people."
--Bill Clinton, during an interview on MTV in 1993

Want more or do these few make the point?

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1315.cfm

The last one just CANNOT BE THE TRUTH!!!

CLINTON, HILLARY - "...Bill is so generous of spirit. His mother...saw the good in everyone. So it has been genetically transmitted to him."

CLINTON, HILLARY - "I've never been called arrogant in my life before. I find that the most astonishing charge, and I think it's very sad."

CLINTON, HILLARY - "I perosnally do not believe that this level of paranoia, conspiricy-driven investigation is appropriate of anybody in public life, not just me. It is just absurd. If you take historical precedent, no president has ever had any of his activities before he became pres. Investigated like this."

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "I think the President [bush] played racial politics with the Haitian refugees. I wouldn't be shipping those poor people back." (Miami herald 3/4/92)

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "[those] who leave Haiti for the U.S. by boat will be stopped and directly returned by the u.s. coast guard." 1/14/93

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "President Bush's unconditional renewal of China's 'most favored nation' status is yet another sad chapter in this administration's history of putting America on the wrong side of human rights and democracy." (press release 6-3-92)

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "I have decided that the U.S. should renew 'most favored nation' trading status toward China." 5-26-94

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "I don't suppose there is any public figure that's ever been subject to more violent personal attacks than I have, at least in modern history, anybody whose been president."

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski."

CLINTON, WILLIAM J. - "We'll do what we said we were going to do or we'll do something else."

That's it... I'm finis.

Adios

[pittspilot]

Take a look around the world today.

We will pay for our vapid 8 years of Clintonism. I just hope not too dearly.

[AZLibertarian]

Yes, Bill Clinton is indeed "that bad". Hillary is worse.

A couple of points...

"Reform welfare as we know it": Clinton vetoed two versions of "Welfare Reform" before he finally signed the third. The R Congress forced his hand. Otherwise, IMO, he'd have much rather had the political issue of "helping the working poor" rather than actually solve it.

They both lie when they're caught, or when there is absolutely no reason to lie. Billing records found on a table outside HRC's office two years after they've been subpenaed (sp?).....No problem--"I don't recall". "I never had sex with that woman--Ms. Lewinsky [shake your finger at the camera]" Hillary claimed to a group of New Zealanders that she'd been named after Sir Edmund Hilary (New Zealander who first climbed Mt. Everest). Problem was--he was a unknown beekeeper when she was born. He didn't climb the mountain until she was 5.

We've been over the Waco issue at depth, and to a lesser degree, Ruby Ridge in a couple of other threads here recently, but these happened on his watch.

Political Math: Reno Justice Dept. + Elian Gonzales=JBT.

The two of them are as bad as I ever hope to see again in political life. Most politicians of both major parties are bad, but the Clintons have plumbed new depths. If there was any justice in this world, they'd be in prison stripes and shackles.

[Partisan Ranger]

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[Partisan Ranger]

I agree wholeheartedly about Hillary being scary. Have you guys seen The Dead Zone? She reminds me of the Martin Sheen character. No, I don't think she'd launch nukes if she were elected, but I could definitely see her trying to dismantle our federalist system and plunging us into Marxism.

I agree that Bill isn't inherently evil. He is a narcissist with low self-esteem, and the presidency was for him an 8 year ego massage. I don't think he has that many core beliefs; he'd sell his mother to slavery for 10 points in the latest Gallup poll.

Hillary, on the other hand.....scary, scary dame. A true believing Marxist. We all know about her designs on health care....I've also heard stories that she had/has some crazy idea about the government deciding what job each person will have. :scrutiny:

[geegee]

I heard a friend say once that it's hard to measure a snake until it stops moving. That may be, but I think most of us have a reasonably good measure of the kind of reptile that is Bill Clinton. :barf: geegee

[Quartus]

That was uncalled for, geegee. Snakes have some good points.


If Bill Klinton isn't evil to his core, such a person doesn't exist. That ******* is worse doesn't make him better.

[kentucky bucky]

That's like asking " Was the Bubonic Plague REALLY that bad??? " :confused:

[Dan from MI]

Klinton wasn't that bad. He was worse. I usually call him Klintler for a reason.

1. Mena
2. Sold us out to the Communist Chinese Government and gave them nuclear tech in exchange for campaign donations.
3. Janet Reno
4. FBI files
5. The abuse of power from the railroading of Billy Dale.
6. His circle of power - Dan Harmon, Dan Lasater, Buddy Young, Mike Espy, Don Tyson.
7. His dancing on the blood at OKC blaming it all on gun owners.

This man made Nixon, Harding, LBJ, and Boss Tweed look like saints.

[Quartus]

Many like to obfuscate the evil of the Klintons by pointing to crimes of other Presidents. But I don't know of another President who was so obviously an out-an-out TRAITOR.


Nor another one who is credibly accused of complicity in murdering political opponents.


Nobody else comes close.


Demon440, if you want to know the asnwer to your question, get on over to Jeremiah Films and get the videos.


They'll scare you.

[Joe Demko]

Pointing out that other presidents were guilty of evil acts isn't supposed to excuse Clinton. Rather the point of it is that you should not excuse or overlook the acts of other politicos because you think Clinton was the locus of evil in the world.
I think Clinton was a bad man. The problem is that he was only one in a string of bad men that have held the office.

[Partisan Ranger]

I think many of us would long for the Bill Clinton years if that witch won the presidency. She's a hard, hard leftist who shows her real stripes when she thinks nobody is watching, or when she thinks she'll get away with it. Hillarycare was a warning shot across our collective bows. Take a hard look at her voting record in the Senate. There's practically no spending bill she's not in love with.

Hillary is a Marxist and thoroughly un-American.

[DorGunR]

One summer, the President and Mrs. Clinton were vacationing in their home state
of Arkansas. On a venture one day, they stopped at a service station to fill up
the car with gas. It seemed that the owner of the station was once Hillary's high
school love. They exchanged hellos, and went on their way. As they were driving
on to their destination, Bill put his arm around Hillary and said, "Well, honey,
if you had stayed with him, you would be the wife of a service station owner today."
She smirked and replied, "No, if I had stayed with him, he would be President of the
United States."
;)

[2dogs]

he had a pattern of taking military action whenever necessary to divert attention from his personal situation

Which pretty well makes him a murderer- he should be hung.

[2dogs]

Oh yeah, and check the post (see link) regarding "the national disgrace's" legacy: 9/11.

http://http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=39837&highlight=buzz

Titled: "Remembering Sept. 11: Bill Clinton's Ulitmate Legacy"






Edit: Maybe this link will work.:)

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/schm091203.shtml

[Partisan Ranger]

Thanks for the etherzone article. In the 90's, I kind of bought into the notion put forth by the media and the Clintonistas that Americans wouldn't tolerate any casualties in a military conflict. Thus the Clinton administration avoided them at all costs.

I think now that the 'don't get our hands dirty' mentality was more a reflection of Clinton's muddled mindset about America's goodness and high standing in the world, as well as fear to do anything that would cost him points in the latest Gallup poll.

I think Americans can be sold on a bloody military conflict, if the goal is worth it. Some will probably disagree with me here, but I think killing terrorists and wiping out the snake pits that harbor them is worth it. For all I disagree with President Bush on some things (the domestic spending is ridiculous), I am glad we have him in the Oval Office prosecuting this war without fear of poll results.

[Waitone]

If the islamofascist terrormongers had a brain cell, they would immediately drop all offensive operations against the US. Cease being a threat would give the US public the impression the war on islamofascist terrormongers was over and the US won. Bush could not stand up to the natural democrat desire of stopping conflict. The US public will shortly give up worrying and we'll all go back to the days of fat, dumb and happy with the added feature of a Clinton in the Whitehouse. Talk about a return to the good ol' days.

Bush will lose the 04 election, hillary will win and 2 to 3 years into hillary's term islamofascist terrormongers could hit us with a haymaker.

We are our own worst enemy. All the gotta do is just take a powder and we'll drop our own defenses.

[Quartus]

Right on target, waitone. But I don't think they'll do that - hate is usually irrational. These creeps sure are.

Doesn't mean they're never smart, though.

[DaveB]

he had a pattern of taking military action whenever necessary to divert attention from his personal situation

Which pretty well makes him a murderer- he should be hung.

I didn't think anyone here did irony.

db

[Monkeyleg]

DaveB, if you're implying that Bush went into Iraq to divert attention from other issues, you're wrong. If that's not what you're implying, accept my apologies in advance.

My father put forth the "Bush went into Iraq to boost his poll numbers" to me yesterday. Much as I love my dad, and as bright as he is, he can sometimes be an idiot. The White House knew full well that going into Iraq would put further strain on the economy, and that the economy will be one of the central issues in the 2004 election. Bush has taken a tremendous political risk by going into Iraq.

Whether you believe in him or not, it should be obvious that he went in because he believes it's the right thing to do.

Clinton never bothered to worry about what the right thing to do was. Actually, I don't think he'd recognize the "right thing" even if it jumped into his shorts.

[Quartus]

Monkey, it's not that he doesn't recognize "the right thing to do", it's that he scorns the very idea of there being a "right thing to do".


There's a vast difference between that and poor judgement.

[Monkeyleg]

Quartus, given that I mentioned both Bush and Clinton, and mentioned "the right thing to do," I'm not sure which side you're coming down on. The debates about Bush on THR have become so boring that I've forgotten who's for or against Bush.

For all of his mistakes in foreign policy--and there have been some--I believe the man is honest. For all of the legislation that he's proposed (the Patriot Act being most abominable), I believe that he has done so for reasons that he believes are proper. That's not to say that he's right, but that he's been upfront about what he believes.

I don't for one minute believe that Bush/Ashcroft will abuse the expanded governmental powers that the Patriot Act created. What I fear is that some other administration will abuse them, just as Nixon and Clinton abused IRS powers against their enemies. It's in this arena that Bush has been especially short-sighted; if he can't imagine Hillary wielding the governmental powers that he has newly created, then he has indeed been myopic.

If the carpers and harpers in congress and the senate allow this administration to fulfill its mission in Iraq, history will record GW as one of the greatest presidents in our history; restoring some semblance of stability in the region has been the goal of administrations since WWII. It will also record him as one of the most egregious tramplers of constitutional rights. Historians will weigh and argue these two contradictions in his character ad infinitum.

But history will also compare the risks that GW has taken with the safe route that Clinton took. History will undoubtably blame Clinton for not taking risks, for forsaking the safety of American lives in exchange for "peace in our time," for allowing the bombing of Kosovoan innocents from 16,000 feet in order to not upset the soccer mom vote, for taking the safe route of bombing one suspected chemical lab on the eve of his impeachment, for turning down Indonesia's offer to hand over Bin Laden, for failing to pursue the terrorists who killed US servicemen on the USS Cole and in other regions. The only risk Clinton took with regard to Mideast policy was to keep Yassar Arafat cooling his heels in the hallway for 45 minutes while Bill got some from Monica.

Thanks to Cisco Systems, Intel, Microsoft, and other tech giants, Clinton rode an unprecedented boom in both the stock market and, thus, government revenues. If he is to be given any credit for that boom, it should be written that his greatest role was that he didn't do anything.

But that same policy of inaction has brought us to where we were in 2001 and where we are now. Bill Clinton raised the 1960's mantra of "if it feels good, do it" to an actual campaign platform.

Now the adults have to fix what Doctor Feelgood screwed up, and they will likely pay a political price next year for their serious decisions.

[UnknownSailor]

I'm curious. Has anyone ever gone to the trouble to make a detailed list of every scandal that happened under Clinton's watch?

I'd be interested in seeing one (and it would be a long one, too, now that I think about it).

[DaveB]

Mr. Monkey, I do believe that Bush's state of perpetual war - against Iraq, terrorism, drugs, Iran, North Korea, whatever - serves his purpose of diverting our attention away from the things he's doing domestically, and from a national economy that's essentially coughing up blood.

He's clearly got no idea of what to do outside of respond to the demands of the people who finance his career.

db

[Quartus]

Quartus, given that I mentioned both Bush and Clinton, and mentioned "the right thing to do," I'm not sure which side you're coming down on. The debates about Bush on THR have become so boring that I've forgotten who's for or against Bush.



Monkeyleg, we're on the same page. Bush is sowing some very bad seeds for some very good reasons. He just doesn't know any better.

I don't think he'll go down as one of the greatest presidents, though.


the things he's doing domestically, and from a national economy that's essentially coughing up blood.


Thanks to a combination of Bush41 and Clinton's tax hikes, and the very predictable results of the dotcom boom and bust, which was not the doing of ANY politician. (Though a good president could have lessend the problem with some decent leadership. If Clinton made ANY contribution to that, it was to exacerbate the problem.)

[Cosmoline]

Rule one. All politicians are professional liars, left right or center. The ones that aren't never make it past their first race. So with that rule in mind, Clinton never bothered me all that much. Carter was far, far worse. Indeed, Bush Sr. was nearly as bad as far as gun rights, with the high cap ban. And Clinton, for all his leftist talk, never created anything as unspeakably awful as the Dept. of Homeland Security. Like Reagan said, a federal agency is the closest thing to immortality on Earth. We'll be living with GW's errors for a lot long than we've had to live with Clinton's.

[bountyhunter]

Very true. When the Clinton Federal government wanted to remove all firearms from a housing project by force, he was advised that it would be in violation of the Amendment protecting against Search and Seizure. His response was "isn't there some way we can get around it [the Amendment (!)]", not to mention trying to "get around" the Second Amendment.

He was a jerk, but at least he stopped when somebody pointed out it was illegal. There is a guy there now I would sure like to read the constitution to... especially the parts abot how the congress has the exclusive power to make war.

[RWK]

Bill Clinton wasn't "that bad" . . . he was a heck of a lot worse! I remember George Will commenting: Clinton isn't our worst President, but he is the worst man who has ever served as our President". In my opinion, that is a very astute summary.

[SGT109FA]

Is or was Bill Clinton that bad?

Yes Billy Bob Klinton wasted 8 years in the White House and disgraced the office of the Presidency plus himself. Now you think this dirt bag would be smart enough to just fade away back under his rock?...NO he is still trying to regain a legacy. But he has one as a POS !:cuss:

[jrhead75]

especially the parts abot how the congress has the exclusive power to make
Just for the sake of accuracy; President Bush asked for and received Congressional approval for the war in Iraq.

Love the George Will quote!

[californian]

God save us from Hillary.

[SGT109FA]

God save us from Hillary.

Could you imagine this bimbo as President. I wonder if she would be giving filatio to all the male interns?:confused:

[CZ52GUY]

Yes!!

This man came to my part of the country campaigning on an economic platform that highlighted a TAX CUT! for the middle class.

Instead, he stole money out of my pocket to support a social agenda that I found revolting.

He's a thief. We've never really recovered financially from the theft.

BTW, it isn't the "Bush Tax Cut", it's MY MONEY!! To all the Dem's out there looking to elect another Clinton, keep your fingers out of my wallet!!

- AWBAN

- Somalia cut and run

- Oslo sellout of the Israelis (Hamas must have an autographed picture of their buddy Bill)

- Pathetic response to WTC 1

- Pathetic handling of Iraq's non-compliance

- Ridiculous agreement with North Korea

- Monicagate desecration of the office he held

- Post-modernist apologist

- Perpetuation of class and racial conflict for political gain

- The list goes on and on....

CZ52'

[toro]

How many scandals was President Clinton involved? Let me count them!
!. Extramarital affairs Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc,Etc.

2. How about the Madison Guaranty Saving and Loan and the Whitewater land development. Of course this was when he was Govenor of AK. Former judge David Hale says that then-Governor Bill Clinton pressured him into fraudulently soliciting a $300,000 government loan through Capital Services Inc. The money was then allegedly passed on to Susan McDougal, Clinton's Whitewater partner. Meanwhile, investigators learned that Hillary Clinton, then an attorney at the Rose Law Firm was in fact the lead counsel assigned to Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan. It is not a pretty picture. If testimony is true, her husband was pushing on one end, trying to get his friend to scam the government out of money, while on the other end his wife was providing the legal advice. Of course after Clinton became President the billing records were found in the White House There were personal notations on the document in the handwriting of White House Counsel Vince Foster, the man later found DEAD in Fort Marcy Park. Gee I wonder why?

3. Ask Hillary Clinton how to turn $1,000 into $100,000 on the Commodities Market. You pick your stock AFTER it goes up. Can't loose.

4. What about Hillary framing Billy Dale of the Travel Office. Billy Dale had served under John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George Bush. She said he couldn't do the job. She wanted the job for her Hollywood friend Harry Thomason.

5. Who killed Vince foster? Nobody knows for sure. What happend in Fort Marcy Park that summer of 1993? Was Vincent Foster murdered? Was he advocating a course of action that would have been embarrassing to powerful people? Or did he really commit suicide?

6. How about WACO? Not to mention Ruby Ridge? Well I could go on and on. Is he EVIL You tell me.

Mrs. Toro


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