Firearms Special on MSNBC "Behind the Trigger"


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MagnumDweeb
November 17, 2008, 10:48 AM
or MSNBC, sorry thought to post it when I first woke up and saw it this morning but forgot to as I woke up on a cold morning in Florida. It's on one of the major news networks (not FOX, CNN, or CNBC), it's on a 9pm this Sunday. From the blurry of images I saw on the commercial there was a Thompson SMG, an Kalichnikov, and some other "mean" looking firearms. I'm so tuning in to see what the anti nonsense that gets spouted.

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hso
November 17, 2008, 11:09 AM
Fixed the title for you.

Dr. Fresh
November 17, 2008, 05:38 PM
It's on MSNBC, I don't expect good things.

Kind of Blued
November 17, 2008, 08:41 PM
I've only experienced three words of this production (the title) and it already sounds like nonsensical anti-gun bile.

Guns and more
November 17, 2008, 08:43 PM
MSNBC? I won't waste my time with those whores.

mudstud
November 17, 2008, 08:44 PM
If MSNBC is now going to have a "special" dealing with black rifles, that tells me the push is on for a new "assault rifle" ban. MSNBC is going to start laying the groundwork. I'm far too old to believe in coincidence. I also strongly suspect there will be an "incident" involving a black rifle, highly publicized, which will curiously be just in time for the lefties to push for the ban. :(

ZombieHunter
November 17, 2008, 09:13 PM
*crosses fingers and puts on naive hat* maybe it'll be alright. I've actually read a few articles over the last few weeks the are pretty balanced...which reminds me...off to post a link

Ragnar Danneskjold
November 17, 2008, 09:20 PM
The fact that so called news stations even have segments "about" anything at all shows they are biased. Their job should be to report about actual happenings in the world. Not to do public interest crap designed to mold opinions.

Micropterus
November 17, 2008, 09:24 PM
The fact that so called news stations even have segments "about" anything at all shows they are biased. Their job should be to report about actual happenings in the world. Not to do public interest crap designed to mold opinions.

nailed it, couldn't have said it better myself

tmajors
November 17, 2008, 10:08 PM
Will be interesting to watch just for all the non-facts, opinion, and false information they spew as facts.

ServiceSoon
November 17, 2008, 10:10 PM
Media, the largest special interest group there is.

ZombieHunter
November 18, 2008, 12:18 AM
msnbc.msn.com/id/27666800/

seems mostly unbiased

jakemccoy
November 18, 2008, 12:48 AM
..............................

jakemccoy
November 18, 2008, 12:52 AM
Is there a link to specifics of the TV program?

I can't find it.

withdrawn34
November 18, 2008, 01:03 AM
I can't find it, either. Weird.

When I search, the only relevant result is this thread.

statelineblues
November 18, 2008, 12:27 PM
The only one I could find is a "Special Report" about guns featuring Al Roker - airs next Sunday (11/23) at 10:00pm on MSNBC-TV.

jakemccoy
November 18, 2008, 01:31 PM
^That's probably it. Can you post the link? I can't find it. I don't know the secret handshake. Programming in different parts of the country is often completely different (i.e., more than just a time zone shift). So, please just post the link.

Pilot
November 18, 2008, 01:44 PM
If MSNBC is now going to have a "special" dealing with black rifles, that tells me the push is on for a new "assault rifle" ban. MSNBC is going to start laying the groundwork. I'm far too old to believe in coincidence. I also strongly suspect there will be an "incident" involving a black rifle, highly publicized, which will curiously be just in time for the lefties to push for the ban.

Bingo. MSNBC should just be renamed MSDNC as they are jsut a mouth piece for the Democrats. I would agree this is a precursor of things to come.

statelineblues
November 18, 2008, 06:22 PM
Sorry, jakemccoy, but couldn't find a link - saw it advertised on MSNBC yesterday and wrote it down. Maybe on their (MSNBC-TV) website later this week...

yeti
November 18, 2008, 06:33 PM
I did the jump ahead on my program guide, Sunday, 10 pm Roker Reporting, Armed in America, news.( there is also a Roker Reporting at 5 pm, but it gave no content description)times are eastern

Spyvie
November 18, 2008, 08:03 PM
Doesn't sound balanced to me, but I'll wait to judge.



From the popup on the TV Guide program grid
In the first of a series of investigative reports, Al Roker examines gun crime. Included: the work of the ATF; how guns wind up in the hands of criminals; the role that guns play in gang violence and drug trafficking.
http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?id=9196355

On Sunday the 23rd @ 10AM, 2, 7 and 10PM

Gunnerpalace
November 18, 2008, 09:35 PM
Al Roker examines gun crime

I thought he was GMA's weatherman?

ArfinGreebly
November 18, 2008, 09:53 PM
So, are we gonna get a report on the program, or are we gonna make this about the media in general?

bluetopper
November 18, 2008, 09:59 PM
We are trying to acquire info about the specific program mentioned in the title.........OK.

Let's not close the thread yet.

ReadyontheRight
November 19, 2008, 01:30 AM
So, are we gonna get a report on the program, or are we gonna make this about the media in general?

I see a lot of questions on where to find the program and the prejudiced bias of the program's name and TV Guide program description.

I see a lot of "let's wait and see what MSNBC does with this" responses.

I see questions/comments about MSNBC's objectivity. Not the media in general.

I also see a recognition of biased media "stories" like this driving anti-RKBA legislation. If we cannot discuss that here...the Antis have already won.

wacki
November 19, 2008, 01:34 AM
We need to get the NRA (with it's deep pockets) to push back with something similar to this video made by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms:

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/2a-today-download.htm

The video impressed me enough that I just became a member. I'm just glad you don't have to be a Jew to join.

wacki
November 19, 2008, 02:01 AM
I also see a recognition of biased media "stories" like this driving anti-RKBA legislation. If we cannot discuss that here...the Antis have already won.

no kidding. When liberals are polled even they admit that the media is biased. I'm a scientist which means I'm surrounded by many liberals.. many of which own guns and they are completely clueless because the only thing they know is MSNBC.

jakemccoy
November 19, 2008, 03:42 PM
We need to get the NRA (with it's deep pockets) to push back with something similar to this video made by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms:

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/2a-today-download.htm

The video impressed me enough that I just became a member. I'm just glad you don't have to be a Jew to join.

I'm impressed too. I'll be keeping on eye on those guys. I may have to become a life member. I don't do the regular membership stuff. I'm all in or nothing.

statelineblues
November 23, 2008, 07:28 PM
The show "Armed in America" is on tonight at 10pm EST - MSNBC apparently just broadcast it between 5pm - 6pm EST, but I only caught the last couple of minutes. Doesn't look good from what I saw...

ServiceSoon
November 23, 2008, 08:15 PM
From what I saw it was pure horse manure. Comments like, "According to current law any weapon that is 50 cal or smaller is classified as having a sporting purpose. That means anybody can buy this 50 cal Barrett." Then they went to a shooting range where Al Roker said he was going to fire a few weapons that these criminals have. He was shooting it in full auto. Obviously this is a tactic used to scare uneducated people into supporting whatever new anti-second amendment law is on the table.

cassandrasdaddy
November 23, 2008, 08:26 PM
i watched wasn't so bad.
one quote was during a gunshow film clip "while the vast majority of these guns are used safely when one goes afoul the results are often tragic"

jakemccoy
November 24, 2008, 03:37 AM
I didn't think the bit was so bad. One guy (I can't remember) made the best comment of the night. He said something like, "we can work on fighting gun crime with laws that are currently on the books." You have to listen carefully because MSNBC didn't highlight the comment.

Overall, I didn't see the piece as being overtly anti-gun. I think MSNBC was legitimately trying to present the issues related to gun violence. I thought the main point MSNBC was trying to get across was that law enforcement needs to find ways to prevent guns from getting into the hands of criminals. I agree. I didn't find MSNBC to be outright suggesting we need more gun laws, but rather focusing more on the enforcement of current laws.

I wish MSNBC would have highlighted the idea of more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens as being a good thing. Unfortunately, the last bit covering that 4-day stand-off in Missouri directly countered such a concept.

Oh, also, the bit was kind of like a propaganda piece for the BATFE. Based on what I've read about the BATFE, I consider the BATFE as being more detrimental than good.

foghornl
November 24, 2008, 08:49 AM
MSNBC =
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N othing
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C ommunists

qajaq59
November 24, 2008, 09:10 AM
I wouldn't believe MSNBC is they said the sun came up in the East.

jackstinson
November 24, 2008, 09:51 AM
It was about like Al doing the weather....taken with a grain of salt.
Mostly it was bland and boring. There were a few things that stood out: (1) The one guy referred to the Barrett as a ".50 Browning machine gun". We know he was talking about the cartridge, but that isn't how he put it. And most folks would tune out thinking you can buy a .50 Browning machine gun as easy as a .22 rifle. (2) Why have Roker shoot a Thompson? Do many gangbangers use Thompsons these days? (3) The end segment was not good and rather pointless. (4) I laughed when the guy said the KelTec .223 pistol could kill a man at 300 yards....uh huh....if you clamped it in a vise.
The whole show was waaaaay too BATF oriented.
However, I thought the straw purchase segment was done rather well.

camslam
November 24, 2008, 01:16 PM
Garbage, complete garbage.

It isn't so much that there wasn't anything factual or redeeming about the program, it is the way things are presented that drove me nuts.

Most of the items, guns, and facts were for the most part truthful, but with the jaundiced view that the media always takes in regards to guns.

For instance:

1. When Al is shooting guns found on the street. He's firing a full auto Thompson and can anyone tell me the last time that particular type of gun was used on the streets to commit crime? Probably Bonnie and Clyde don't you think?

2. Al's limp wristed attempt at holding the Glock 9mm was hilarious. What a pansie. Did you notice how the close up of the camera was of the gun in slow motion and then Al talking about how powerful the gun is to hold? Ridiculous. I would love to have seen his soft hands holding a .454 Casull or a .500 S&W.

3. When they present the .50 cal, they actually equate the purchase of it to a .22 long rifle. Saying there is no difference. Right, other than several thousand dollars and about $10 per bullet.

4. At the end when they are discussing the ATF's bullet database and how they swiftly, with no explanation, show the NRA, while explaining how the amendment (Tiahart, which is not mentioned by name), keeps them from getting more guns off the street. Total misrepresentation of what that amendment does, as well as not giving even 5 seconds as to the protections it provides, or those that support it.

5. They spend 2 segments talking about the problem in New Orleans and the gangs, drugs, and guns. When they do the BIG HUGE bust, they recover exactly 2 guns. Lame and they play up the drug part. Nice coverage.

There were a few more items, but I'd have to watch that crap again.

Overall, it is what I expected from an outfit like MSNBC. When it comes to guns, most of the media is just as bad, if not worse.

Dave B
November 24, 2008, 01:46 PM
What I saw was an indictment of a poor legal system, a poor law enforcment system, and a hip-hop culture of young blacks with their pants down around their a$$ and their hats on backwards. The guns were a side issue.

gregormeister
November 24, 2008, 03:33 PM
Oh great some more hoplophobe, gun grabbers decided to have a 45 min. special on the evil "GUN"....How many others will join their legions after watching it??

DaveBeal
November 24, 2008, 03:58 PM
It looks like some segments of the program are available here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27811624#27811624). Anybody know if the whole thing is available anywhere on the web?

RonC
November 24, 2008, 04:35 PM
I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, there were the typical errors with clips versus magazines and bullets instead of cartridges. There was the loose, diffuse, careless use of 'high-powered,' whatever that means.
Although there were some gratuitous statements that could be considered anti-gun, I was surprised that the show was focused on how bad guys got guns. Then, further focus was on nabbing the gang-bangers. The BATF role, in the show, was directed to the illegal guns and their use by drug gangs.
I could have done without the last part of the program, but the first section was remarkably balanced, given the source.
It seems like the BATF uses the illegal possession of firearms as an excuse to go after the gangs. There are other issues and problems associated with the BATF, but I can't argue with busting violent gangs.

Ron

fireman 9731
November 24, 2008, 04:42 PM
It surprised me that Al Roker had never fired a gun before the show.

mitchg233
November 24, 2008, 04:44 PM
"The Glock, favorite of policemen and criminals alike".......


And a whole big pile of law abiding civilians too.

ServiceSoon
November 24, 2008, 06:51 PM
They also used the word "assault weapon" Such wording will be bad when the antis present an assault weapon ban.It surprised me that Al Roker had never fired a gun before the show.Did you notice he held it wrong and proceeded to say how powerful the 9mm was? There was even a slow motion camera showing the recoil. All-the-while implying that regular citizens have access to these weapons, oh no!!!

Thanks camslam for the awesome summary in post 36.

bhp9mm
November 24, 2008, 07:26 PM
i think the Atf guy that was in the gun room did a good job telling al about the ak that u cant have a full auto one i think al was thinking all ak-47 were full auto

NeoSpud
November 24, 2008, 07:31 PM
I laughed pretty hard when the ATF agent in the gun vault ID'ed a Barrett M82 as a "Browning machine gun" or something like that. He was so far off, I was embarrassed for him :neener: :D

Sinixstar
November 24, 2008, 07:33 PM
The fact that so called news stations even have segments "about" anything at all shows they are biased. Their job should be to report about actual happenings in the world. Not to do public interest crap designed to mold opinions


So if Fox News did a piece that went on and on about how the founding fathers wanted us to be well armed and prepared, and how these rifles are no more dangerous then your kid's red-rider bb gun, I imagine you'd say the EXACT same thing...

right?

:)

wacki
November 25, 2008, 01:23 AM
Anyone know when this will be on again? I missed it.

Lucky
November 25, 2008, 01:44 AM
Neospud that's what the BMG after .50BMG stands for, the cartridge being developed by Browning (from a German one) for a machine gun.

NeoSpud
November 25, 2008, 04:26 PM
Yeah, I know what that means but I thought he was referring to the gun, as I didn't hear him say "fifty" in front of it. All I heard was, "This is a browning machine gun."

The program didn't have my full attention, though, so I could've misheard. I was too busy browsing THR :neener:

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