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November 17, 2008, 09:50 AM
My trip to the range yesterday to sight in my Eotech and buis was a complete success. Got everything sighted in at 25 yards, then commenced to hammering shots into the center of the target off hand, it was beautiful:D!! Wanted to work over to 50 yards but everyhing was taken. So, satisfied that a 1" low at 25 yards zero would have to do, I packed up to leave.

This is when I see a gentleman with an Eotech like mine, but with an aimpoint 3X magnifier with the swing mount. I began questioning him and he was nice enough to answer my question of its origin. "E-bay cost 60 bucks"... Me... :what: !!!??? It turns out, the magnifier was for an airsoft gun, but actually worked from what I was told:scrutiny:! So now I am :o to say I'm thinking about getting the 4X one just to try it out for $100 with side swing mount. I was going to go with the "po boys special" from Larue, but would rather 4X magnification, the price is right though...Am I losing my mind for even considering this?

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Hoppy590
November 17, 2008, 10:11 AM
actually, iv heard the knock off magnifiers work ok.

hso
November 17, 2008, 10:19 AM
Am I losing my mind for even considering this?


I wouldn't consider the risk of failure in the field to be worth the savings. If you only use your rifle on the range it shouldn't be a problem.

expvideo
November 17, 2008, 10:22 AM
It's a magnifier, so it doesn't have to hold zero. I'd buy an airsoft version. No sense spending 4 times as much for something that will do the exact same thing, when it doesn't even have to hold zero.

I wouldn't consider the risk of failure in the field to be worth the savings. If you only use your rifle on the range it shouldn't be a problem.

What kind of failure are we talking about? I can't imagine anything happening to this that wouldn't happen to the real version. Please elaborate.

ETA: just checked Ebay. $99 for a 4x exact replica with flip-to-side mount. $799 shipped for the EOTech brand. That's 8 times the price, for something that doesn't even have to hold zero. Still hoping for an example of what kind of failure could happen to the replica in the field that wouldn't happen to the original.

taliv
November 17, 2008, 11:06 AM
it's not your mind you'll be losing, it's your integrity.

don't support patent-ignoring, communist slave labor.


btw, i have the po' boy larue deal and love it. love it.

Tarvis
November 17, 2008, 11:16 AM
It's a magnifier, so it doesn't have to hold zero. I'd buy an airsoft version. No sense spending 4 times as much for something that will do the exact same thing, when it doesn't even have to hold zero.
Come on, seriously. Think about what it takes to make a good scope and tell me you can cut corners and get the same product. You sound like one of the cheap scope fanboys. How about lense coatings, glass quality, body durability and warranty to name a few things that you buy when you buy American instead of Chinese. Are the cheap knockoffs nitrogen filled? If it isn't it can and will fog up on you. Are the cheap-o's crystal clear and undistorted? A cheap scope fanboy probably wouldn't notice, or care for that matter. As long as you can see stuff coming through it, right? If Satan offered you a screaming price for your soul, would you take it? ;)

PS. I'm referring to the cheap crap they sell on Ebay, not the cheaper version offered by larue which I know nothing about.

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November 17, 2008, 12:46 PM
This purchase would definitely be relegated to the position of "range toy/medium range can opener". For $100, I can play with this while saving up dough for the real deal, or if I don't like it, the money saved up goes to an ACOG, while the knock-off goes back on e-bay:) . Either way, I can still get my money back out of the unit. Of course I don't expect it to be nitrogen-filled for $100 :rolleyes: ! But for the money(and the intended use of this "knock-off"), I'll just push that little sucker off to the side and use the Eotech as a stand alone unit when it fogs...

The first time I bought a red dot it was cheap too, but it showed me the utility of them. Which then led to the purchase of quality units.

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expvideo
November 17, 2008, 02:18 PM
Come on, seriously. Think about what it takes to make a good scope and tell me you can cut corners and get the same product. You sound like one of the cheap scope fanboys. How about lense coatings, glass quality, body durability and warranty to name a few things that you buy when you buy American instead of Chinese. Are the cheap knockoffs nitrogen filled? If it isn't it can and will fog up on you. Are the cheap-o's crystal clear and undistorted? A cheap scope fanboy probably wouldn't notice, or care for that matter. As long as you can see stuff coming through it, right? If Satan offered you a screaming price for your soul, would you take it?

PS. I'm referring to the cheap crap they sell on Ebay, not the cheaper version offered by larue which I know nothing about.

You have a serious tone/trolling problem. Why don't you leave the personal attacks alone. I have made my stance and you have made yours. It doesn't need to be personal. You think nitrogen filling, a lens coating, and a difference in clarity that the human eye can't even notice is worth $800. I don't. You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours. That doesn't mean you need to talk down to me or result to name calling. Have a little more confidence in your points and maybe you won't feel the need to resort to such childish tactics.

To respond to your points, I would rather that it didn't fog, but since it's on a flip-to-side mount, and the sight will still work without it, it's not worth the extra $700 to me to have it not fog. There are some nice features of the name-brand unit, but for my budget, it is not a difference that justifies the extra $700, and this is a corner that can be safely cut. The thing could snap off and be destroyed, and the rifle would still have the eotech.

Because of my budget restrictions, anything that is only a convenience (like a magnifier) is going to have to cut corners. Critical accessories, such as the optic and light, need to be able to stand up to real combat conditions, but if it's not critical, it's not worth $800 to me.

A good optic is critical. A magnifier is convenient. A good optic fogs up, it could cost me my life. A magnifier fogs up, it's inconvenient.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 17, 2008, 02:33 PM
Question on these "swing-out arm" thingies: Do they it "lock" in the open position, or do they flop around if you jolt the gun or turn it upside down?

expvideo
November 17, 2008, 02:34 PM
Question on these "swing-out arm" thingies: Do they it "lock" in the open position, or do they flop around if you jolt the gun or turn it upside down?
It would seem that they are probably held in the out position with spring pressure, but I don't know.

hso
November 17, 2008, 02:45 PM
Please elaborate.

You asked for elaboration.

Alignment of lenses can be off due to subpar component manufacturing, assembly or design, housings may not be durable, lenses may easily scratch, the ability to return for service or replacement can be low to no, etc.

I and friends have done the ebay/airsoft range toy route. We even spent the time to research which knockoff was best. We found that due to QA/QC and materials/construction shortcuts we would have probably been better off saving the money due to the "lessons learned" and using it to help purchase the product being emulated. The simpler the knock off is the less likely to have problems.

So, yes, you can have very basic manufacturing quality issues that make even the rang toy items fail. Research the particular make/model on real gun sites before plunking down your money. We found the TacPro red dots to be good optically and they held zero, but they had the softest adjustment screw covers we've ever seen and they almost wanted to cross thread and gall. 1 of 4 of them wouldn't hold zero and another drains the batteries in half the time of the others. That's a QA problem.

expvideo
November 17, 2008, 03:06 PM
Thank you, HSO. That was a very detailed and informative explanation that makes me see the benefit of spending some more money and getting something of name-brand quality. I might get the cheap one as a range toy, but I can see why I might want to reconsider trusting it for anything more than that. I appreciate that unlike Tarvis's post, you don't feel the need to resort to name calling and mocking to make a point.

I would still like to try out the cheap option, but it is good to know exactly what kind of sacrifices I am making to save the money.

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November 17, 2008, 11:22 PM
Thanx to all that actually contributed to my thread. I think I have my answer. I'm so going for it :), the pros out weigh the cons.

Pro: price, 4x magnification, comes with q/d swing mount, no need to hold zero, can work as a monocular, can be attatched/removed without tools in seconds....oh yeah, and the price:D!
con: Chinese made, questionable q/c, questionable glass, not nearly what the real deal is, oh yeah and made in china:(

So good luck with a repair, but for a hundred bucks, I would almost consider the unit disposable...atleast compared to the 700 buck alternative.

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crazycarwes
November 17, 2008, 11:49 PM
I just received the Larue mount with the po boy magnifier and this thing is awesome, the mount locks the magnifier up just as strongly as it does down and this thing is solid! I would highly recommend this unit and the Larue company in general.

Wes

Tarvis
November 18, 2008, 02:10 AM
By the "po boy" you are referring to the $400 version as opposed to the $800 version right?

I don't know, I'm still skeptical. This sounds like the Hesse/Vulcan answer to the AR price problem. It's made for airsoft guns.

Never mind, just let us know when it breaks.

WardenWolf
November 18, 2008, 04:20 AM
Here's my take on it: most airsoft stuff really does work, to varying extents, and it has to stand up to hard play in the woods and to hits from high-velocity pellets. On a low-recoil rifle like an AR-15, you should have NO problem with its long-term durability.

Shovelhead
November 18, 2008, 06:46 AM
Glad to hear folks are happy with the 'Po-Boy Special. :D

I've got a Aimpoint ML3 / PBS heading my way via FedEx.

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/catalog/P1011843200.JPG (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Categories.bok?category=Optic+and+Mount+Combos%3APo+Boy+Special)

click on the pic for a link

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November 18, 2008, 10:42 AM
The "po boys special" is only 2.5X and costs twice as much. It is military quality glass, and the mount is probably worth more (to me atleast) than that 2.5x optic.

But like I said, I want more magnification. I did get to look through one at the range and it is decently clear, but at 100 yards 2.5X just doesn't provide the power needed for more precise work. Better than nothing, but 4X will help you strecth the 5.56's legs out to atleast 400 yards, quite nicely.

The field of view of the "Larue Special" is quite limited at 100 yards, and if I recall correctly from my quick-view of the optic, the eye relief was pretty short; making it difficult to quickly find the reticle. I think the Eotech knock-off magnifier has a wider f.o.v. @ 100 yards. The "Larue special"
does have a certain cool factor about it though, it being a de-milled rocket lancher part and all:what: LOL.

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November 19, 2008, 12:06 PM
Just an update. I placed my order today, 11/19/08 @ ~10:30am. The seller is in China so I'll let you guys know if/when it gets here. With full range report to follow. Also, there is now a 5X magnifier being offered with a lifetime warranty, that it is domestically produced... $125 bucks, ships for $9 bucks. Does not come with Q/D mount, or swing to side mount though. Just an FYI for any that are interested. I'll try to adds link later.

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November 19, 2008, 12:35 PM
As promised, here is the linky http://cgi.ebay.com/UAG-5x-MAGNIFIER-FOR-EOTECH-AIMPOINT-SCOPE-SIGHT-RING_W0QQitemZ370112956594QQihZ024QQcategoryZ7307QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

I almost ordered this setup, but the lack of the swing to side mount, or atleast a Q/D mount, made me pass...

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Eyesac
November 19, 2008, 12:44 PM
Oh dear, no I don't like the look of that or the mount. Just save up, it's not a big deal, you've done it for the gun and the Eotech...

Frog48
November 19, 2008, 01:58 PM
That looks like the Mako Security magnifier.

www.makosecurity.com

It seems to get good reviews from CheaperThanDirt...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SCP411-0.html

joeg26er
January 13, 2009, 10:46 PM
looks to be the same thing - what is the warranty and shipping cost from CDT on the mako?

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January 26, 2009, 10:10 AM
Yes!!! I finally got my magnifier!!!! Pics to be up soon! The unit is surprisingly made very well. I just installed it, and now I have got to get to the range!!! When flipped to the side, it stays open due to spring pressure. My buis is kind of in the way, but it closes over it so np worries. First impression, this thing is well worth the $120 I paid for it:).

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January 30, 2009, 12:28 PM
I hope this works:uhoh:...
1. Eotech and the 4X knock-off magnifier
2. Rear view with magnifier flipped to side, and BUIS flipped up
3. Left side view of magnifier showing the release latch
4. View of the Eotech reticle through the magnifier
5. Another view through magnifier

Roadwild17
January 30, 2009, 06:24 PM
Clarity?

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January 30, 2009, 08:36 PM
The Eotech reticle is actually clearer through the magnifier to my astigmatic right eye. There is very little( if any) "bloom", when viewing through the magnifier. All this is based on viewing around my place, so after a range outing I'll have some targets,and better report...

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January 31, 2009, 10:27 PM
Got to the range today with the Eotech, and knock-off 4X magnifier. I had to readjust the Eotech since it had to move forward to make room for the magnifier. After sighting in(then confirming the co-witness with the BUIS), I got the magnifier flipped in place and shot these targets below...

The first target was shot after sight in confirmation at 25 yards, with the magnifier, and offhand/unsupported... I would have probably done better without the magnification as a later target that I didn't stay to take a picture of confirmed.

The second target has two things going on. The group in the middle was shot supported, with magnification, 1 shot a second, @ 25 yards also. It looks like a 10 shot group, but is actually 15...
The outer black and orange squares, were my attempt at making sure I could still use my iron sights after using the Eotech way more than I shoud on range trips:o ...

The 50 yard and 100 yard ranges were pretty busy today, but next time out, since all the basics are confirmed at 25 yards, I'll work the farther ranges, and post those targets for you guys.

I also saw a SIG 556 PISTOL that was marked as such, and stupid me, I didn't think to take a picture for you guys, and another really cool guy let me shoot his M1 Garand. For the first time ever, I understand what the "hype", and the "ping!", is all about. It is a must have!!!

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Treegunner
February 11, 2009, 12:34 PM
Thanks for the info and report, now we need an update.
I have a limited budget and I hate to buy knock-offs, I've thrown away much money that way but hate to safe up when there is so much to buy.

warchild
March 15, 2010, 11:59 AM
:rolleyes:can u tell me the make and model of this magnifier, i read your posts, looked at the pictures, and this sight looks pretty good(for the money of course) i just spent 1700 on gun and eotech 522. told the wife i would stop spending for a little bit, but i want to get a magnifier. Would u reccomend this one as an intermediate? If it works... great, i will use it at range this year and up grade to eotech g23 next year, if it doesnt work i guess i will use it as disposable. Let me know where u got it. I think i will try it out, after all its $125. thanks!!!!!!:)

jkingrph
March 15, 2010, 12:33 PM
I just put a Burris AR Tripler behind my Aimpoint Comp ML3, both in Larue mounts. You have to spread the rings on the Larue to get the Burris unit in, but Burris supplies a longer screw to use as a jack to spread the rings slowly and evenly. The Burris tripler works fine.

I wish that Larue had still offered their Po boy. I picked up one of the Hensholt(sp) units cheap and the glass is fantastic, but do not know how to get the reticule out, and would need a reducer to fit the Larue mount.

wicked711
November 13, 2010, 12:12 PM
sorry to revive an old post, but wondering how the knockoff Eotech 4x mag is going? I'm looking of getting one to use with a real eotech xps

Mags
November 13, 2010, 01:26 PM
Get the Mako or Primary Arms.

kwelz
November 13, 2010, 01:39 PM
I will never understand the desire to buy junk just to save a few bucks. Especially when buying that junk contributes to companies that make a living off of ripping off other companies.

In my opinion it shows a lock of character when someone supports a company such as this by purchasing their products.

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November 13, 2010, 02:20 PM
Here we go with this again! Buying junk with my own money is my choice, and as I stated in the opening to this thread, it was basically an experiment. So if you don't understand buying the knock-off just to see what it's like before dropping 500 bucks on the real one ,that's you. I also said this was almost disposable to me, and became so when I attached the magnifier to my FAL. The mount was eaten in short order, lol. I still have the magnifier, and plan to purchase the real thing now after deciding on the magnifier as a usefull product. YMMV

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kwelz
November 13, 2010, 02:36 PM
It isn't buying cheap that I am talking about (Although I am not a fan of that either). It is buying rip off products. That I have a problem with.

JohnnyOrygun
November 13, 2010, 02:53 PM
Shooting is a pretty expensive hobby, guns, Ammo, and optics. For some of us on a budget in these tough times, buying a knockoff is our only option. I could not afford the real thing right now, but I could save up enough for a knockoff. Half of the stuff sold here is made overseas, if you don't like to buy knockoffs, don't, but don't knock some else's character if they chose to. We can't all afford mercedes.
Perhaps if some of the brand name manufacturers could offer something affordable, then maybe I could eat bologna sandwiches longer for lunch and buy an eotech

kwelz
November 13, 2010, 03:02 PM
There is a reason that quality items cost the money they do. If you want to buy inexpensive then by all means do so. Vortex is a great example of inexpensive sights. I am not a huge fan myself but that is only because they don't fit my intended use. But what a lot of these companies are doing is illegal. And when you buy their products you are just supporting their activities.

Mags
November 13, 2010, 04:23 PM
Oh yeah, Vortex makes a nice magnifier too. I would go with that over the Mako or Primary Arms. Whatever you do don't buy "clones".

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