"Shadow Armoury" Uncovered in GB


PDA






Keith
September 18, 2003, 01:15 PM
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_820563.html?menu=news.latestheadlines

Teacher admits gun misconduct

A former acting deputy headteacher who was jailed after police discovered an illegal weapons cache at his home has admitted unacceptable professional misconduct.

Thomas Hosty, 55, was given a 12-month sentence last year for possessing nine handguns, a CS gas canister, a stun gun and several rounds of ammunition at his home in Shaw, Greater Manchester.

The General Teaching Council's professional conduct committee, sitting in Birmingham, heard on Thursday that Hosty, who taught at Harwood Park School, Heywood, Lancashire, was jailed at Derby Crown Court in June last year and released three-and-a-half months later.

The father-of-three was arrested following a police raid at his home in November 2001, where officers discovered the arsenal.

It included a loaded Smith and Wesson .38 revolver stashed under the floorboards in his toilet and a Colt. 45 secreted in a central-heating duct.

Many of the guns had been modified and some had had their serial numbers erased.

Hosty, a teacher with 31 years' experience, who appeared before the committee to give evidence, pleaded guilty to the criminal offences and agreed that his behaviour constituted unacceptable professional misconduct.

Reading from a transcript of the Crown Court hearing, GTC presenting officer Bradley Albuery said that Hosty described himself as "an obsessive collector" who had, in the words of the sentencing judge, created a "shadow armoury".

Hosty, who now works at a private adult college in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, said he had learnt his lesson and deeply regretted his actions.

The teacher told the panel that he had been interested in firearms since he was a young boy and was a member of a local gun club.

He had owned handguns before they were banned by legislation passed in the wake of the Dunblane massacre.

Hosty, who often used to play Santa Claus at school celebrations, said: "I never brought firearms to school.

"I felt the guns would be safe with me. I was wrong to let my keen interest in collecting firearms lead me to disobey the law."

Neither his three adult sons nor his wife had known about the stash, he added.

The committee adjourned to decide what sanction to impose.


Story filed: 14:28 Thursday 18th September 2003

If you enjoyed reading about ""Shadow Armoury" Uncovered in GB" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Mark Tyson
September 18, 2003, 01:48 PM
"Several" rounds of ammunition? Jeez, some of the guys on this board have several thousand rounds of ammo.

Edited to add: Oh it's in Britain! I was trying to figure out exactly what crime had been committed here! There are truly shades of 1984 here. The "criminal" repents in court, denigrating his wicked interest in firearms. How horrible. This man is clearly not a threat to the community. The language of the judge is disturbing as well.

Henry Bowman
September 18, 2003, 01:52 PM
Title should read: Member of Underground Resitance Caught

and several rounds of ammunition
:what: OMG! You mean he could have actually FIRED one of those evil things!

Wonder from where the SS got the tip on him?

Mark Tyson
September 18, 2003, 01:59 PM
He probably opened his mouth and told someone, or showed one of his friends. Lesson here: keep your mouth shut about what you have that you shouldn't have. So many guys get caught because they love to talk talk talk!

Tamara
September 18, 2003, 02:04 PM
Wonder from where the SS got the tip on him?

The telescreen was behind the picture.

jacketch
September 18, 2003, 02:06 PM
One nine eight four!

El Tejon
September 18, 2003, 02:08 PM
Thank goodness, another criminal off the street!:D

Keith
September 18, 2003, 02:08 PM
He has already spent a year in prison and now this board is determining how they can further ruin his life. They can fine him, revoke his credentials so he can never teach again, etc. They've beaten him down and made an example of him. He's been through the "Re-education Camp" and is now thoroughly cowed into confessing his crimes against the proletariat and is begging forgiveness.

This in a country where burglars are no longer sent to prison...

Mao would be proud!

Keith

Keith
September 18, 2003, 02:11 PM
Did you notice that some of those guns were "modified"? I mean, the horrors! With the Novak sights on that 1911 he could have taken out most of Manchester with those several rounds of ammunition!

Keith

Wanderer
September 18, 2003, 02:29 PM
Dear Lord, he could've -God forbid- hurt a burglar with one of those things!!!:what: :eek: :uhoh:

Justin
September 18, 2003, 03:05 PM
So what are the odds that they used a mask with rats in it to get him to admit the error of his ways?

HankB
September 18, 2003, 03:21 PM
I, too, was wondering what the "crime" was . . . until I saw it was in Britain.

Still don't understand how guns at home constitutes "professional misconduct" on the part of a teacher. Hosty, who now works at a private adult college in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, said he had learnt his lesson . . . The lesson is, in Britain, either keep your mouth shut so the local Bund doesn't denounce you, or find a better hiding place!

RobW
September 18, 2003, 04:44 PM
Good example how to criminalize "subjects". The politicians need the real criminals, otherwise it wouldn't be so easy to suppress the serfs. This is why criminals in GB have such a fine life.

Did you hear, that on several occasions our own "democratic politicians" threatened us to release criminals out of jail if we don't agree to higher taxes?

Something goes in the same direction...

:barf: :barf: :barf:

greyhound
September 18, 2003, 04:54 PM
I was wrong to let my keen interest in collecting firearms lead me to disobey the law."

I find this very sad. If Sen. Feinstein and Schumer have their way, how many of us might end up saying something similar?:fire:

Good grief, the country that conquered the world, reduced to this. Why?
The legacy of WW I & II? This is lunacy.....

4v50 Gary
September 18, 2003, 05:02 PM
Now here's a jolly Britain who probably wishes his folks emmigrated to the "colonies" and fought the crown back in '75.

Jrob24
September 18, 2003, 07:20 PM
Where's Agricola? We gotta hear why this is justified.

Atticus
September 18, 2003, 07:28 PM
That story makes me want to hurl. :barf:

geegee
September 18, 2003, 07:43 PM
Hosty, who now works at a private adult college in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, said he had learnt his lesson and deeply regretted his actions.
Yeah, he's learned that he should have kept his mouth shut about that "arsenal" whilst down at the pub, and regretted that there wasn't more of an outrage when his socialist government pressed it's boot harder against the throat of it's subjects (as they were being disarmed). :fire: :cuss: Kind of chilling. geegee

Standing Wolf
September 18, 2003, 08:17 PM
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

I think England would have been much happier as a Nazi subject state.

RobW
September 18, 2003, 08:29 PM
As most of the time, I'm with Standing Wolf. But, just look around, there are A LOT of people in our country with the same mindset that made the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots and other scum possible.

The urge of some characters, to rule over other people is insatiable. Nice word for them in German: Handlanger (accomplice) or, in English: Henchmen.

Tamara
September 18, 2003, 08:48 PM
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

Dude, not that I disagree too terribly much with the sentiment, but you gotta work up some new catchphrases. ;)

toro
September 18, 2003, 08:48 PM
I just wonder if the government in England is happy they ruined that man's life over such a thing as having guns to protect yourself. What about the wife and children. What a horrible experience. They must really be afraid of an uprising. When you think how much money it takes to support the Royal Family.

It's almost as bad is us supporting our President, Vice President and all the Congress and Senators. Just think if they would all cut their pay in half we could pay off the national debt sooner. Oh, I almost forgot, how about the Govenors and their mansions.

Well I can tell you we will be in the same boat, without a paddle if Hillary gets elected this next time. She seems to be the only democrat who can beat Bush. If she gets in we will have the same gun laws as the UK. Don't think that can't happen, with her connections. She is power hungry. She'll have Shummer for Vice President. Then we can kiss our guns good-by. Remember how the Clintons sued all the gun manufactuers?
Mrs. Toro


_________________________________________
Matthew 20: 17,18
And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the Chief priests and unto the scibes, and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him. And the third day he shall rise again.

seeker_two
September 18, 2003, 09:55 PM
Where's Agricola? We gotta hear why this is justified.

I wonder if he was involved with this case at all...:scrutiny:

He has already spent a year in prison and now this board is determining how they can further ruin his life. They can fine him, revoke his credentials so he can never teach again, etc. They've beaten him down and made an example of him. He's been through the "Re-education Camp" and is now thoroughly cowed into confessing his crimes against the proletariat and is begging forgiveness.

Another Noble Savage bowed...:(

Will he end up on the public dole? Will he go criminal to earn a living? Either way---it's OK in the Realm...:barf:

Dain Bramage
September 19, 2003, 10:40 AM
Woowee! If we're redefining the word, then I must be carrying an "arsenal" every time I go to the range.

Yeah baby! I got your arsenal right here!

Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to my forefather for getting on that 707 and leaving Europe. :D

agricola
September 19, 2003, 10:47 AM
just seen this.

Police do not raid houses on mere whims - the story suggests they would have to have obtained a search warrant from a magistrate, which would have required evidence.

As it happens, Hosty was part of a group operating from a legitimate gun club who had been reactivating firearms post-ban, and all those involved in the group were raided simultaneously, which to me suggests that a "test purchase" had been made by undercover police.

as for the justification, well it is our country after all, and noone can really claim ignorance of this particular law. I would also doubt the mans mitigation that he was seeking to defend his family based on the others convicted with him.

oh, and keith please try to read the story before foaming into your usual "orwellian england" monologues - he spent three and a half months in prison, not a year, and burglars do get put in prison almost all the time. still, why let the truth interfere with your fantasies?

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/stories/Detail_LinkStory=68039.html

Nightfall
September 19, 2003, 10:53 AM
Holy schmolly! A stun gun? A .38 revolver?! SEVERAL ROUNDS OF AMMO?!?! This man was obviously planning to start WWIII! What sane citizen needs this kind of arsenal?

Mmmm, I dunno. Maybe a free sane citizen. :rolleyes: You people over on the other side of the Atlantic should really give freedom a try. I hear it's great.

Keith
September 19, 2003, 01:11 PM
keith please try to read the story before foaming into your usual "orwellian england" monologues - he spent three and a half months in prison, not a year, and burglars do get put in prison almost all the time.

He was sentenced to twelve months. As opposed to the new sentencing guidelines in Great Britain which prevent burglars from being imprisoned except in the case of repeat arrests, etc.

You people have just got it wrong over there.

Keith

agricola
September 19, 2003, 01:16 PM
keith,

yet you said:

"He has already spent a year in prison and now this board is determining how they can further ruin his life"

which is wrong, he spent three and a half months in prison. You also wrote:

"This in a country where burglars are no longer sent to prison..."

which is also wrong, as you now admit.

[edited for an ommision]

RocketMan
September 19, 2003, 01:24 PM
...that the Germans finally won? Just well after the fact...

Keith
September 19, 2003, 01:37 PM
Yes, I got it wrong. His actual imprisonment was for a shorter span than I had indicated. And it is true that SOME burglars can push the envelope enough to get prison time.

The point is still valid. In your country, owning a gun to protect yourself against home invaders is a greater crime than invading a home.

Orwell is vindicated!

Keith

TallPine
September 19, 2003, 01:41 PM
well it is our country after all

Well said, and the same thing applies here.

So why does most of the rest of the world want to disarm US citizens?

Atticus
September 19, 2003, 01:56 PM
Agricola: You Brit's are always so calm and rational about these things. Granted, he broke the law - but it is an unjust law. The man dared to own a handfull of bullets and some handguns? Now he has to publicly crawl and beg for forgiveness? That sounds like Asian communist philosophy.
Do you have to be a member of Parliment to scream, shout, and pound your fist in protest over there?

You're so fortunate to have such a gentle, caring, and humanistic dictatorship in GB today - they are gently raising the temperature on your fine kettle of Frogs.

Patrick Henry must be postively spinning in his grave.

seeker_two
September 19, 2003, 03:45 PM
Do you get the feeling...

...that the Germans finally won? Just well after the fact...

I don't think the Germans would have let it get THIS bad...:scrutiny:

You're so fortunate to have such a gentle, caring, and humanistic dictatorship in GB today - they are gently raising the temperature on your fine kettle of Frogs.

I think they're already at a rolling boil...:banghead:

geegee
September 19, 2003, 03:47 PM
Subjects, not citizens...subjects. geegee

Nazirite
September 19, 2003, 07:26 PM
Gald I don't live in GB

Atticus
September 19, 2003, 08:59 PM
Who's John Gald?

Redlg155
September 19, 2003, 09:21 PM
How much do ya'll want to bet they didn't get all his guns!:D

I'm guessing that he had to grovel at the feet of the govt to get them off his back.

Good Shooting
Red

ExpatGator
September 19, 2003, 09:41 PM
As I sit reading this thread (and its attendant bickering), my three kids are in our gunroom priming 300 rounds of 9mm for their loving mother. I cannot help but feel sorry for this English fellow who finds himself in this ridiculous predicament. From our perspective it seems easy to insult the Brits for so easily surrendering their rights, but we should not be so cocky that it blinds us to the threat to our own freedoms.

I will instead take this opportunity to acknowledge the sacrifices that our forefathers made. And in a concillatory and sympathetic gesture I will offer free range time with any of my family's firearms to any Brit who finds him or herself in Maine with some free time on their hands. The ammo is also on us. Come on over and shoot for friendship and freedom.

Travis McGee
September 20, 2003, 02:06 AM
"RULE, BRITANNIA,
BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES!

BRITONS NEVER EVER
SHALL BE SLAVES!"

Hahaha! What a joke! What a pathetic bunch of cringing begging whining forelock-tugging slaves!!!!

Justin
September 20, 2003, 02:18 AM
A'ight, let's not let the jingoism get outta hand now...

:rolleyes:

Justin
September 20, 2003, 02:19 AM
As it happens, Hosty was part of a group operating from a legitimate gun club who had been reactivating firearms post-ban, and all those involved in the group were raided simultaneously, which to me suggests that a "test purchase" had been made by undercover police.

as for the justification, well it is our country after all, and noone can really claim ignorance of this particular law. I would also doubt the mans mitigation that he was seeking to defend his family based on the others convicted with him. So what you're saying is that this Hosty guy isn't so much a victim of the state as he is a true hero?

Well then, rock on. :D

andy
September 20, 2003, 02:33 AM
Agricola, I read the article and noticed they kept using terms like "GUN-obsessed" to describe this teacher. Made him sound like he was mentally ill. Agricola, do you think people who enjoy firearms and keep firearms for self defense are mentally ill? Do you think the members of this board are sick? Is this the future we, as gun owners, will face if people like you gain control of our country? Would you send police to kick in the doors of our homes and drag us out? Stand us up in court and publicly humiliate us, imprison us, turn us into pariahs?
I can understand your desire to rid the world of gun violence, but at what price? I'm afraid of you and people like you.

If you enjoyed reading about ""Shadow Armoury" Uncovered in GB" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!