Don't have the revolver yet but I got a good deal on some Lee dies
and Starline brass .
Any info you could give me would be appreciated .
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November 19, 2008, 12:12 AM
I'm just starting to myself,I've been useing .32 H&R,but now I've got the Lee dies and two boxes of Hotshot 7.62x38r.One thing I've noticed is that my cast bullets are .311,and the Nagant is supposed to be .295. I can size them down as far as .308 useing what I've got,but they sell .32 acp conversions that use a .312.Maybe I should pull one of my 7.62 Nagant loads to see what we have going on here.
November 19, 2008, 12:36 AM
What are you using for your cast Bullets ?
Wadcutters or something else ?
November 19, 2008, 01:05 AM
I'm not sure if we're talking about the same revolver, but, how do you get the open end of the brass to be crimped down to form the gas seal to the cylinder?
What die would you use?
The Nagant I have came from WWII. My dad brought it home in '45. As far as I know, it's the only revolver that can be used with a silencer.
Not doubting what you're doing, just didn't know anyone was loading for it.
The only time mine has been shot, stateside, was when I ran accross a box of rounds in a gun shop. Made by Fiocchi(sp).
Will follow this thread out of curiosity.
November 19, 2008, 02:41 PM
not much way to get a "factory crimp" on a reload.I just load the bullet down inside the case and put a roll crimp on the brass.if your case is long enough it sort of forms a seal. one of the forums,may be Parallax Bills site has gobs of info on reloading the Nagant Revolver.it's a bear,takes pieces of several loading dies and some home made parts to do it right. jwr
PS: there use to be a 1895 Nagant site,can't find it,but Google 1895 nagant pistol will get some info.
November 19, 2008, 04:27 PM
i like my 32 Long and Mag cases to0 much to use them in the nagant. i re-load using 32-20 cases--though they are a tad too short to form the gas seal. this winter i shall 'make' some proper cases using 223 brass.
November 23, 2008, 04:34 AM
I reload the nagant cartridge using cast 93 grain bullets (from .312 mold) sized to .309" 3.0 grains of NM04 (like bullseye) give about 950-1000 fps. Accuracy is 3" at 25 yards. I put the max crimp I can with Lee dies but this is barely enough to ensure the brass mouth enters the forcing cone. I'm going to order a Lee 30 carbine factory crimp die and see if it crimps better without wrinkling the case.
I need to use the nagant brass instead of the 32 cases because I am making a silencer on an ATF form 1 for it.
That lower one in the pic doesn't have enough volume, by those specs, to effectively silence a 30/32 cal round. It may reduce the noise of the shot quite a bit, tho.
Some perforations in the flats of the baffles would help with noise reduction.
November 25, 2008, 06:55 AM
Each K baffle has a hole in the front flange and a hole in the skirt. I know the first stage doesn't have the volume to do a good job, but it is small enough for the sights to see over.
November 25, 2008, 04:58 PM
What ammo types can be shot and reloaded practically in the mosson nagant revolver? What type of American ammo is it supposed to shoot and what is the average bore size or bullet diameter?
November 25, 2008, 08:25 PM
If you plan on suppressing it, then only the nagant brass can be used as it is the only brass long enough to seal the gap.
November 25, 2008, 08:55 PM
I have 2-3 dozen empty 7.62 Nagant cases that I found, free if anybody wants 'em. Look like they were brand new and fired just a couple hours before I found them. First to send me a PM and holler dibs gets 'em.
November 25, 2008, 09:31 PM
February 14, 2009, 10:22 PM
It took a while, but I finally am able to reload Nagant revolver ammo that works well. I use the Lee die set which is not very good as purchased.
I started by making a longer expander to prevent bulging the case when seating the bullet. The seating die does a poor job of crimping. I bought a Lee 30 carbine factory crimp die. The nagant brass is longer than the 30 carbine, so i just use a couple of washers between the shell holder and die to make up for the difference in length. This does not crimp the mouth as much as the factory brass, but does a very good job compared to the Lee seating die.
3 grains of bullseye moves a cast 93 grain bullet about 1000 fps.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/nagantcrimp.jpg The case on the right is crimped with the Lee 30 carbine factory crimp die.
RON in PA
February 15, 2009, 06:11 AM
To BHPfan, where did you get the idea that Nagant bullets were .295? I've pulled factory Nagant loads and the jacketed bullets were .308 on my micrometer. Lots of folks shoot 32 longs or 32 mags in them and these shoot .311-312 bullets. If you are quoting Cartridges of the World, they ot it wrong.
February 16, 2009, 11:26 AM
I've played with this oddball for around four years now with fair success.
I use a standard Lee die setup (my sizing die's marked as a .32-20)....with the single modification of installing a cylindrical insert under the seating plug in order to get the bullet down into the case........works like a charm. Crimping is no problem, just adjust the die to the point you achieve the amount of it you desire.....it won't quite look like the pictured factory stuff, but it is a waisted crimp not too awfully different.
Bullets I use are mostly cast Lee 100 gr. RN's sized to .308 and lubed with Javelina brand alox. I seat that bullet about a quarter inch into the case over 3.0 grains of Bullesye and then dribble a coating of Lee's liquid alox on top (don't know if it REALLY makes any difference, but my gun has a rough bore so the extra lube's gotta help).
That load, in my gun, will cut ragged hole groups at ten yards.
Brass I use is mostly Graf's (Starline) with a couple of twenty round boxes of Bertram I picked up when I first bought the piece...........Should you use the latter I'd strongly caution you to avoid full length sizing as that stuff is without doubt the most brittle brass I have ever seen......full length it and you WILL loose 80% of your cases. (don't ask how I found that out!)...
Bottom line is that its a fun project and it can produce some surprising results..........
Forgot to mention that a friend gave me 1m of .32 commercially cast bullets.....swc's.....at .312 dia.....they're usable, but I see utterly no difference in performance, plus they are a bit tougher to seat.
As an aside, that batch of Graf's brass I got is NOT sufficiently long enough to afford you a gas seal.....I called 'em on it and they knew it was 50m too short..........frankly I see no difference for my purposes but if you intend to supress the thing it MIGHT have some slight consequence.
Hope this helps.
February 16, 2009, 01:47 PM
dogrunner, what brass are you using?
February 17, 2009, 10:52 PM
Here's a little info I found a while back on reloading for the Nagant.