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mdm288
November 18, 2008, 11:33 PM
might have any opportunity to pick up a HK91, does anyone have any feedback on these guns or how much you might expect to pay for one?

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Golden Hound
November 19, 2008, 03:25 AM
I like them. They're cool looking and have great accuracy, and they're extremely easy to take apart. Everyone says they have heavy recoil - mine must not be working right then because I don't agree at all. I think it hardly kicks more than an SKS. There is a great concussive force created by the rifle but the muzzle break dissipates most of it. The actual felt recoil is really not that bad.

The downside is the lack of a bolt hold open, and a charging handle that is located far forward and is rather heavy to operate. They also supposedly fling brass a great distance and mangle the cases but I have an ejection port buffer on mine so that doesn't happen.

The H&K model is overpriced. The PTR91 is cheaper and supposedly works just as well if not better. Mine is made by Hellenic Arms in Greece and is an HK in all but name. You MAY be able to find one of these (imported by Springfield and badged as SAR-3/8) but they are rare. These are slightly cheaper than the real German-made HK version but nowhere near as much of a difference as the PTR91 which is less than half the price. Newer Springfield SAR-8's are made of cast aluminum and are said to be very low quality-steer clear. At the bottom of the barrel is the CETME which I have only heard bad things about.

DRYHUMOR
November 19, 2008, 05:54 AM
They are good reliable rifles.

There are plenty of mags out there for them, collapsable stocks, and scope mounts/scopes.

Parts are available, both original and aftermarket. The manufacturer in Fla currently making PTR91's; the parts are interchangable.

Good accuracy, the bolt for me was not an issue, just a slap and your ready to go. Recoil typical for a 308. Very simple to disassemble, pins for the most part will separate it into "groups". Two stage triggers and set triggers can be had if you look hard enough.

There was one at the gun show Saturday, it was marked down to 3600.00 from 4???.00. I did not look at it, it may have been a SACO import. These command a bit more money. HK also imported through their location in the states.

They haven't been imported since the first AWB in the 80's.

If it is an original HK and not a current mfr, it would be a good buy from 1000.00 to 1500.00 beyond that it's up to you and your wallet. I have seen the high avg around 1800.00 to 2200.00. (the one mentioned above, I think it's the same one I've been seeing for maybe 4-5 years at that price)

The PTR91 is the same rifle for less money, depends on whether you are collecting, shooting, or defending.

stubbicatt
November 19, 2008, 07:08 AM
+1 to what the other guys said.

I have the PTR copy, and am quite pleased with it. It is my favorite rifle these days, and the one which gets the most range time. Just a joy to shoot.

PTR91 website (http://ptr91.com/products_ptr.html). For some the ergonomics are challenging, but a couple of worthwhile modifications such as a trigger job and a paddle mag release install by Bill Springfield, and somewhere an angel gets its wings, and all is well in the world.

If you get one, keep your eyes peeled for a good deal on a 22 long rifle conversion kit. What a lot of fun that is.

nalioth
November 19, 2008, 11:20 AM
The downside is the lack of a bolt hold open, . . . in your opinion.

The lack of a bolt hold open certainly hasn't bothered the 50+ countries that have used or currently use them.

SaxonPig
November 19, 2008, 03:55 PM
I have an original HK91 that I bought new around 1979 or 1980.

It is hard on brass. Flings them about 60' and always dents the cases badly. I only shoot surplus ammo in mine and leave the brass where it falls.

Very loud.

goldie
November 19, 2008, 08:51 PM
the only thing ive never seen mention about the 91 & its clones is that the bolt & chamber are black after shooting it,ive had one(91) since 1983, & its the only thing i dont like.thats why the cases have the black striated marks on them,too....

salvo
November 19, 2008, 08:52 PM
I have an original H&K 91 and to add to what the others say it is an accurate firearm, I did have the trigger worked on by Williams, one of his set trigger modification. The thing I like best about it is how easy it goes from a scoped & bi-pod long rang rifle to a trimmed down close range rifle and every thing in between.
Mine throws brass about twenty feet and other than the chamber fluting marks on the brass it is fine to reload.

Prices vary with condition and the amount of accessories that may come with it

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/Guns/HK91-2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d71/SeaOx/Guns/MVC-152F-2.jpg

zoom6zoom
November 19, 2008, 09:46 PM
There's also a .22 conversion kit available for it

Golden Hound
November 19, 2008, 10:53 PM
I think it is one of the most evil looking rifles ever. Even more evil looking than the AR. If Darth Vader had a rifle it would be the G3/91. Its modularity is a great asset, as is (in my opinion) the fact that it is free from the rail-mania of the "tacticool" ARs. In my mind, the fewer rails, the better. I am a fan of a simplified and streamlined design of which the G3 is definitely an example. It is extremely easy to take apart - maybe the easiest semi-auto ever, because of the lack of a gas system.

Onmilo
November 19, 2008, 11:16 PM
$3600 is way too rich for an HK91 now, I am a bettin' that rifle didn't sell and the seller was hoping it wouldn't.

With PTR rifles floating around in sufficient numbers, an original HK91 will bring $1900 to $2300 in my area depending on condition and accessories.

German scopes and bipods added in will bring $500-$700 additional.

meef
November 19, 2008, 11:59 PM
I bought one back in the late 70's.

Insanely accurate but I just didn't care for the feel, recoil, noise, etc.

It was 100% reliable and with a buffer on it it didn't hurt the brass. Again, just didn't like it much. I sold it.

A little tale about the accuracy - and I do not BS in the least.

I put an HK machine gun adjustable iris aperture sight on it to replace the stock sight. I took it out to the nearby range to try it out at 100 yards.

I fired a 3 round group which I checked with a spotting scope. The first shot hit about where I expected it to on the large orange circle. The second shot apparently missed entirely and the third shot almost touched the first one.

I went and got the target for a closer look. Imagine my amazement when I discovered that the second shot was practically in the exact same hole as the first one - so much so that it wasn't possible to discern through a spotting scope.

The 3 round group with with that sight was 3/8" measured.

Insanely accurate rifle. I just wish I could have warmed up to it.

:(

meef
November 21, 2008, 12:04 PM
What is this adjustable iris sight ?
Sounds very interesting to me.....:uhoh:

Oh man, I was afraid someone was going to ask a question like that.

Mind you, it was somewhat over 20 years ago that I made this setup and the details are a bit fuzzy. I mean, that was about half my life ago.... ;)

I don't remember where I got it (special ordered through a local gunshop, I think, maybe the Shotgun News) but HK-91s were a kind of hot item back then and actually affordable. I bought lots of goodies - the overpriced, bulky scope mount, the overpriced, bulky bipod, the ejection port anti-mangling brass buffer, and various other overpriced stuff for it. As I recall, the sight was around a hundred bucks - but what wasn't for the HK-91?

It was disc-shaped and about the size of something between a nickel and a quarter, I think. Picture a small doughnut with an adjustable iris in the center. It had a small lever on the top or side that controlled the iris aperture. You just moved it from one side to the other to adjust it. You could open it quite wide or close it down to completely blocked or anywhere in between. Infinitely adjustable with no clicks or anything throughout its range of movement.

For quick target acquisition it opened up pretty wide and for long distance precision you could set it down to a very fine pinpoint. Quick to operate and very rugged. A little on the large side but not so much as to be of any consequence.

I believe it was made for HK's .308 machine guns and meant to be used when fired from a bipod. It would have excelled in that capacity, I think.

Now I'm curious again about exactly what it was I owned and am going to do some research. Whatever (if?) I come up with, I'll post it here in case anybody else is interested.

I personally felt it was a vast improvement over the standard HK-91 sight.

Gunfighter123
November 21, 2008, 08:17 PM
Great battle rifle. As to the price ,for a true H&K -$1600/$2500 is the going price around here. I bought mine brand new for $500 and that included tax !!!! YEAH -- gas was less then 50 cents a gal. , comic books were 15 cents etc.

Put a port buffer in and it helps keep the brass from getting the H&K dent.

The accuracy in mine is VERY good --- with the iron sights , I once took 1st place at a 600 yard combat shoot. Head shots at 200 yards.

The Germans etc. always loaded their mags so the last 3 rds. were tracer --- lets you know it's about empty.

The only thing is they are a bit short in the stock length and the trigger could use some lightning.

sinistr
November 21, 2008, 09:54 PM
big fan of them .if you want a shooter geta ptr.will need a trigger job.i use a b&t low mount so i can't use a deflecter,ruins the brass oh well.you can buy a modified machine gun cocking arm for 125.00,worth getting especially if your a south paw.kicks more than an ar10 but i like a little punishment:D.matches up to a acog bdc pretty well too.birdsong's black t finish makes it alot easier to clean/maintain.will run even when filthy so don't worry about all the crud that builds up during extended firing sessions.MEEF!i must know what sight you speak of....

meef
November 22, 2008, 12:39 AM
As to the price ,for a true H&K -$1600/$2500 is the going price around here. I bought mine brand new for $500 and that included tax !!!!Yeah, I got mine for $389. That was in 1979, I think. Before they were "discovered".

and the trigger could use some lightning.:what:

Now that's a truly shocking concept! Likely take your trigger finger right off at the hand.

MEEF!i must know what sight you speak of....Believe me, I'm trying to find out. It's bugging me, this memory thing. I even went to the store where I bought it so many years ago and the store owner said, "Yeah, I remember it."

And that was it. He couldn't recall any details other than that. His memory's no damn better than mine. Frustrating. :mad:

I'm trying though. Still searching and researching the Internet like someone possessed. Not having any luck - so far.

Sunray
November 22, 2008, 01:57 AM
"...might have any opportunity to pick up a HK91..." Who made it?

taprackbang
November 22, 2008, 02:13 AM
might have any opportunity to pick up a HK91..

Just get a PTR 91F. It is an improvement over the original HK 91. And a preban HK goes for large dollars.

I absolutely love my PTR. It never ceases to amaze me when I shoot it. The PTR 91s offered by CDNN Sports all have Thompson Center Match grade barrels. Got mine for $899!
I have learned to acclimate to the ergonomics and the bladed front sight is so easy to acquire my target. Boston's Gun Bible rates it as one of the best rifles ever.

Get the 3-point HK sling, port buffer, and wide body fore end.
And just some spare parts! You'll be set.

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