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SpartanWarriorXIII
November 19, 2008, 06:33 AM
I've been searching the internet for awhile about this awesome phrase and I've seen that there has been quite some misconception about it. I do have questions though lol.

First of all, its literal translation is "having come, take." Which in plain modern English would be said as "come and take them." I see a lot of ppl saying it means "Come and Get them" and although that pretty much means the same thing "Come and Take them" would be the more accurate translation. Come and take them denotes a more hostile meaning as the phrase is meant to be taken. Come and get them sounds like we'll just give them to you when you come but come and take them shows we're not giving anything up easily. Second of all the correct spelling is this: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ. I don't know why I see accent marks on some of the spellings but I'm almost sure this isn't original to the Greek phrase is it??? This is one of my favorite historical sayings and I just want to make sure I'm pronouncing it right so here we go.

Moe (as in the Stooge)
Lone (as in alone without the A)
La (as in hah but with a la
Vay (as in bay but with a V)

So thats what it sounds like to me Moe-lone La-Vay??? Right lol

And another random question to ask, does anyone know how to pronounce Dienekes??? The Spartan Officer from Thermopylae who made the comment about fighting in the shade. I've always wanted to find that out lol. I'm thinking about getting this as a tattoo. Any thoughts on that?? Thx a lot guys!!! Appreciate the answers and comments!!!

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gunNoob
November 19, 2008, 08:34 AM
How many firearms do you own? I just think a tattoo would be suitable for the collectors with many many of them. You should use that money on another firearm instead

JWarren
November 19, 2008, 08:36 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe


The Greek phrase Molōn labe! (Μολὼν λάβε; approximate Classical Greek pronunciation [molɔ̀ːn labé], Modern Greek [moˈlon laˈve]), meaning "Come and take them!", is a classical expression of defiance reported by Plutarch in response to the Persian Army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons. It corresponds roughly to the modern equivalent English phrase "over my dead body". It is an exemplary use of a laconic phrase.


Ask... Receive.... No Problem.



-- John

possom813
November 19, 2008, 08:36 AM
Or use some the cash to join the NRA if you haven't done so already.

Shung
November 19, 2008, 09:15 AM
only 10 $ if you dont want the magazines !

MOLON LABE

expvideo
November 19, 2008, 09:52 AM
Moe (as in the Stooge)
Lone (as in alone without the A)
La (as in hah but with a la
Vay (as in bay but with a V)

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Ο is not Ω, and does not make the same sound. Also, the B is pronounced almost like a combination of B and V. Try to make a V sound but move your lips as if you were making a B sound. Usually we would use our upper teeth and lower lip to make a V sound. Instead, use both lips and no teeth, as if making a B sound.

Mah-Lone-La-(b)Vey

I'm thinking about getting this as a tattoo. Any thoughts on that??

My tattoo is of the inscription on the statue at Thermopylae.

Statue:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Molon_labe.jpg/250px-Molon_labe.jpg

My tattoo:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a58/expvideo/IMG00037.jpg

Shung
November 19, 2008, 11:14 AM
nice tattoo expvideo !!! I wouldnt mind having the same on my shoulder I think !


(and as you are here, let me know that i share your opinion about morons claimin' that they were "cleaning" their guns when they accidently went off..)

Nugilum
November 19, 2008, 11:19 AM
A little humor (I think we all need some :o )

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/nugilum/MolonLabe.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/nugilum/FeelingLucky.jpg

SpartanWarriorXIII
November 20, 2008, 03:27 AM
I own a total of 11 firearms. I have a 12 gauge (sawn off to the lowest legal limit), M1 Garand, Italian 6.5mm Carcano, .303 Enfield, Yugoslavian M59/66 SKS, Winchester .30-30, a .45 cal rifled musket, a classic .58 caliber smoothbore musket, two glocks one being a .45 and the other a 9mm and a little .380 Kel-Tec as a personal defense weapon. Thats my count lol. Does that classify me as a collector???

I have been thinking about joining the NRA but I'm shipping out for Basic in April and i figured I would join after I finished my enlistment in the Army. It's really only 10$??? I could do that and the tattoo lol and I'd probably end up getting the magazine too... how much would that cost???

So its actually a mah instead of a moe sound??? And yes I was aware of the Omega as the second O so how does that change the sound??? It wouldn't sound like alone without the A then??? How would that sound??? Sorry for all the questions just curious haha... Thx for the answers though.

Thats an awesome tattoo!!! Thats almost exactly the one I want to get and I would get it in almost the exact same spot except I would have it going across my back but in an arc. Like the handgun too Nice touch ;)

Lmao I've never seen that one before. I love those things too lol. Thx for the humor, you can never have enough nowadays :) I like the first quote in your sig too lmao. I personally love bayonets. Have one for my M1 and my SKS has a permanent folding one underneath the barrel.

Thx for all the responses guys!!!, now I just gotta nail this pronunciation thing ;)

JWarren
November 20, 2008, 08:00 AM
I've nothing against tattoos. It would be kinda hard for me to, since I have a couple.


But remember this. That tattoo would say make your view known. Joining any RKBA organizations would actually be DOING something to back that view up.


Let's all put our actions behind our words. Get the tat. And then put a check in the mail to the NRA. ;)



-- John

Shung
November 20, 2008, 08:57 AM
only 10 $ for associate membership.. did it 10 days ago ! go for it ! (I would have taken the magazines if it didnt costed more because of my location)

garyhan
November 20, 2008, 09:40 AM
I got the molone lave tattoo on the day the Heller decision was passed down. My first tattoo at age 57. I agree that if you are not an NRA member, don't have the guns you want, or have not otherwise contributed to the cause, money might better be spent that way. However since I'm endowment NRA and am approaching three figures of guns owned, I am very happy with my decision to get the tat. It certainly shows a serious commitment to permanently display your feelings in this manner.

gary

expvideo
November 20, 2008, 09:59 AM
I've nothing against tattoos. It would be kinda hard for me to, since I have a couple.


But remember this. That tattoo would say make your view known. Joining any RKBA organizations would actually be DOING something to back that view up.


Let's all put our actions behind our words. Get the tat. And then put a check in the mail to the NRA.



-- John
Really? Join the NRA? Is that how you are "fighting" for your rights? With a checkbook? Go train a new shooter. Convert an anti. Email your senator. Actively campaign for pro-gun politicians. Don't tell me that I'm not fighting for my gun rights just because I haven't sent my $10 to the NRA. Checks are nice, but they are not action. If all you've done for your gun rights is to send a check to the NRA, then I have put MUCH more action behind my words than you ever have.

KINGMAX
November 20, 2008, 10:15 AM
I already have that TAT on my right arm!!!!!!!!!

K3
November 20, 2008, 10:21 AM
Really? Join the NRA? Is that how you are "fighting" for your rights? With a checkbook? Go train a new shooter. Convert an anti. Email your senator. Actively campaign for pro-gun politicians. Don't tell me that I'm not fighting for my gun rights just because I haven't sent my $10 to the NRA. Checks are nice, but they are not action. If all you've done for your gun rights is to send a check to the NRA, then I have put MUCH more action behind my words than you ever have.

Perhaps decaf would have been a better choice for you this morning. ;)

harmonic
November 20, 2008, 10:42 AM
Be careful the phrase doesn't become a mere cliche.

I've known a few truly tough guys in my life. One was a Marine who was wounded in the Pacific theatre in WW2. One was a two tour Green Beret Captain circa Vietnam. One was a Navy Seal.

None of these guys talked about what they did or were willing to do. Actually, now that I think about it, none of these guys talked much at all.

Then again, I've known a lot of guys who talked a lot about how tough they were. But the times I got to see them when the chips were down, they didn't back up their words.

My conclusion? Truly tough/dangerous guys don't advertise.

scrat
November 20, 2008, 10:55 AM
No tats but for sure {molon labe}

Corporal K
November 20, 2008, 11:00 AM
My conclusion? Truly tough/dangerous guys don't advertise.

You nailed it, especially on blogs.

yeti
November 20, 2008, 02:29 PM
Stop talking smack about us self promoting tough guys.:cuss:

I'm a tough guy and announce it proudly.:what:

I'm so tough, I eat aluminum cans for supper!:eek:
And deposit FORGED AR lowers after breakfast!:scrutiny:

:neener::D:evil:



(not pokin' a stick in anyone's eye, the cans for supper and forged lowers after breakfast just struck me funny:cool:)

expvideo
November 20, 2008, 02:41 PM
Be careful the phrase doesn't become a mere cliche.

I've known a few truly tough guys in my life. One was a Marine who was wounded in the Pacific theatre in WW2. One was a two tour Green Beret Captain circa Vietnam. One was a Navy Seal.

None of these guys talked about what they did or were willing to do. Actually, now that I think about it, none of these guys talked much at all.

Then again, I've known a lot of guys who talked a lot about how tough they were. But the times I got to see them when the chips were down, they didn't back up their words.

My conclusion? Truly tough/dangerous guys don't advertise.
I'm really confused. Who was claiming to be tough? Because if you were refering to me, you obviously misunderstood my post and you should read it again.

harmonic
November 20, 2008, 02:52 PM
Instead, use both lips and no teeth

Now you're talking about people who go to Willie Nelson concerts.

As in, "What's 40 feet long and has two teeth?" Answer: the front row of a Willie Nelson concert.

:D

BacSi67
November 20, 2008, 03:13 PM
I'm of Greek descent. Take it from me, both the Omicron and the Omega are both pronounced as an abrupt O, and yes, the B is pronounced like the letter V.
John

JWarren
November 20, 2008, 07:07 PM
Really? Join the NRA? Is that how you are "fighting" for your rights? With a checkbook? Go train a new shooter. Convert an anti. Email your senator. Actively campaign for pro-gun politicians. Don't tell me that I'm not fighting for my gun rights just because I haven't sent my $10 to the NRA. Checks are nice, but they are not action. If all you've done for your gun rights is to send a check to the NRA, then I have put MUCH more action behind my words than you ever have.


If that is all you got out of my post, you utterly missed the entire point. Your arguementative tone suggests that you either have something against the NRA or me personally.

If it is the former, great. join something another organization-- or a few. The efforts you mentioned are applaudable, and are critical, but don't pretend that simply converting people actually translates seamlessly into governmental influence. Surely, you are not so nieve that you believe that converts alone will matter. The people's consent hasn't been a deciding factor in a long time. No...Lobbying is king. Powerful organizations get in the door.

You would be in error to believe that the whole of my activites was contained in one post on "da intrawebz."

Now, if it is the latter... well, knock yourself out. I've had a long day and I just simply don't have enough concern to justify the expense of effort to uncover the issue. Feel free to PM me with any issue you have with me. I'll answer if it seems valid.


-- John

Walkalong
November 20, 2008, 09:00 PM
unbelievable

.38 Special
November 20, 2008, 09:54 PM
Be careful the phrase doesn't become a mere cliche.

Way, way, way too late for that. Molon labe? You may as well just attach some plastic testicles to the trailer hitch on your F150, get your mom to touch up your flat top, take one of the flashlights off your accessory rail, and go hang out with the rest of the trick-or-treaters at Wal-Mart.

harmonic
November 20, 2008, 11:42 PM
You may as well just attach some plastic testicles to the trailer hitch on your F150

Somebody else alluded to that on another forum. Is that for real?

.38 Special
November 20, 2008, 11:51 PM
Yeah, saw a pair just today. Didn't see a molon labe sticker, though. Probably on back order or something.

harmonic
November 21, 2008, 12:54 AM
saw a pair just today

You saw a pair of testicles hanging from what? A bumper? What is it supposed to mean? And, who on earth sells testicles to hang from your bumper?

.38 Special
November 21, 2008, 02:23 AM
Hanging from a trailer hitch. It is supposed to mean that the owner is a tough cookie, but actually just makes him out to be a juvenile braggart with more testosterone than he really knows what to do with.

Hence the comparison to the "molon labe" business -- and I'll bet you can get both from the same store.

yeti
November 21, 2008, 03:27 AM
http://www.bumpernuts.com/IMG_0108.JPG

I picked the blue picture as probability the least offensive to grandma.:o

harmonic
November 21, 2008, 03:37 AM
What the.....?

That's just retarded. He's better off with a sign that says, "Inbred fool onboard."

expvideo
November 21, 2008, 09:17 AM
If that is all you got out of my post, you utterly missed the entire point. Your arguementative tone suggests that you either have something against the NRA or me personally.

If it is the former, great. join something another organization-- or a few. The efforts you mentioned are applaudable, and are critical, but don't pretend that simply converting people actually translates seamlessly into governmental influence. Surely, you are not so nieve that you believe that converts alone will matter. The people's consent hasn't been a deciding factor in a long time. No...Lobbying is king. Powerful organizations get in the door.

You would be in error to believe that the whole of my activites was contained in one post on "da intrawebz."

Now, if it is the latter... well, knock yourself out. I've had a long day and I just simply don't have enough concern to justify the expense of effort to uncover the issue. Feel free to PM me with any issue you have with me. I'll answer if it seems valid.


-- John

No problem with you, and I don't have a problem with the NRA. I'm just tired of having the NRA shoved down my throat on this site. It seems that every other post I read is telling me that if I don't join the NRA, I don't care about my rights. I'm just really getting sick of the idea that sending a $10 check to the NRA is all someone has to do to protect their gun rights. And I'm really tired of hearing that if I don't send them a check, I'm not doing anything to help my gun rights. It's especially infuriating to hear this sentiment when I do actually spend a lot of my time and money supporting gun rights in other, more effective ways. Like I said. Train a shooter, convert an anti, email your senator, help a pro-gun candidate's campagn. And sure, you can join the NRA and it is going to help.

No, I don't have a problem with you personally. I'm just tired of hearing that I need to send my check to the NRA or I'm not being supportive of my gun rights. If all a person does is send their check to the NRA, then I have done much more for my rights than they have. So I'm getting tired of being told that I'm not doing anything to help my rights.

And I'm sorry to address you personally, but I am responding to your post which addressed me personally.

hemiram
November 21, 2008, 05:24 PM
Happily, I can honestly say I never heard of the term before, until I read this thread.

My guess is I'll never hear of it again. :evil:

JWarren
November 21, 2008, 05:38 PM
expvideo,

I think that your sentiments and mine are in perfect agreement. I concur with your view that "joining a RKBA" organization is enough. No, it is the bare mininum. In this, we are in perfect agreement.

Thanks for your explaination. It serves as a good reminder that joining a RKBA organization is only the FIRST step.

Best,

-- John

MT GUNNY
November 21, 2008, 10:52 PM
How can a typical key board text these strange letters(symbols)?
ΛΩ
I had to copy and past to get them there?

SpartanWarriorXIII
November 22, 2008, 05:18 AM
Point well taken Warren ;) I have actually been meaning to do that for awhile lol. How much is it with the magazines Shung??? I would prob get the magazines also.

Yes my feelings are very permanent on the subject lol and I def have the main rifles I want. The M1 was #1 on my list and I recently acquired that so now all I want is an M1 Carbine and an M14. That would just about do it. Besides its only 10 dollars so its not like me getting the tattoo would take away from me being able to join the NRA. Oh and rock on for the Heller Decision bring repealed lol

I'm not advertising my toughness Harmonic just displaying my beliefs in the form of one of my favorite historical sayings. And by being tough if you mean I would just let anyone disarm me, whether that being a single person or the government then I guess I'm a tough guy cause that wouldn't happen. I am actually a very humble person but I am an idealist and I do defend those ideals and what I believe in. But for the most part you're right, I've known many of those ppl too and they just aren't for me ;) Btw my Grandpa saw two tours in Vietnam in the 101st and he doesn't talk about it either. I've only been able to get one "story" out of him. He was a Company 1st Sgt in the infantry.

So Bac it is Moe-lone La-vay like I originally said???

I'm guessing your insinuating Molon Labe has been attached to Rednecks or White Trash lol... seriously though thats what it sounds like your saying... In fact very few ppl I know have ever heard the phrase. Only those that are history oriented or very pro-gun know the phrase. And yes i think the trailer hitch testicles are the stupidest thing I've ever seen... I live in Florida and I see way way way too many of them and I'm not even in a rural area lol

logical
November 22, 2008, 05:37 AM
Are people afraid it wouldn't make them seem as cool if they simply used the English version?

DoesItMatter
November 22, 2008, 05:51 AM
How about just getting 2 simple tattoos.

1 letter 'M' on each butt cheek.

bend over - it says 'M o M'

lie on your back and lift your legs up and spread...
' W o W '

Credit goes to the late and great George Carlin for that idea ;)

SpartanWarriorXIII
November 23, 2008, 05:57 AM
No but the Greek version looks cooler lol at least to me it does... and it has a more significant historical meaning

Yeah thats an interesting... tattoo... ... ... lol I wonder if anybody actually has that??? lmao that'd be quite a tattoo to carry around

Shung
November 23, 2008, 07:04 AM
How much is it with the magazines Shung??? only 25$ for you in the USA.. would have been 35$ for me (shipping). I prefered, for that money, to buy one memberships for me, and gift 2 others !

Loosedhorse
November 23, 2008, 11:28 AM
does anyone know how to pronounce Dienekes?Greek (today) is very phonetic: i is pronounced ee, e is pronounced between eh and ay (no dipthong), so Dee-eh-neh-kehs.

I suspect Dye-en-nee-kees is said a lot (if any pronunciation of this name is said a lot!), and who kows how he pronounced it.

DFW1911
November 23, 2008, 05:58 PM
SWXIII,

I'm not going to address tattoos, "bumper nuts", or tough guy stuff, instead I thought you might find this interesting: the laconic phrase.

I hate to cite Wikipedia, but they do provide for some quick answers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase

One example of a laconic phrase you cited: "We'll fight in the shade!"

What's important about this particular device is there is a tremendous amount of confidence underlying that which is actually said. Molon Labe is such an example: you want what we have....come and take it. Imagine hearing that and knowing the person saying can actually back it up: it's not a hollow threat or mere posturing.

I think to many of us the use of "humor" in the face of what seems to be an inevitable bad ending is a great sign of courage and defiance.

Just my $.02.

Hope this helps,
DFW1911

mbt2001
November 23, 2008, 06:03 PM
Below, the flag flown during the revolution in Texas... Certainly where some of the lone star imagery comes from. Read the links, very interesting history with that flag...

http://www.comeandtakeit.com/txhist.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Come_And_Take_It_Mural.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg/800px-Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg.png

.38 Special
November 23, 2008, 10:06 PM
What's important about this particular device is there is a tremendous amount of confidence underlying that which is actually said. Molon Labe is such an example: you want what we have....come and take it. Imagine hearing that and knowing the person saying can actually back it up: it's not a hollow threat or mere posturing.

It's my belief that very few people actually would back such a statement up, especially considering that taking up arms against the government is going to get you some serious jail time at the very least, and more likely just killed on the spot. And I have a feeling that the very few people who would actually take a principle that far are not the kind of people that advertise it on their pick-ups, T-shirts, or butt cheeks.

dbbeebs
November 24, 2008, 07:42 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hL1kEv4Yy8o/SSSv1dUTRII/AAAAAAAAAQg/wBziHl_nsQQ/S660/molonlave_s.jpg

BacSi67
November 24, 2008, 09:23 PM
In the Greek language Capitol letters never have an accent mark, only lower case letters. The hat does look cool though.
Bac Si

SpartanWarriorXIII
November 25, 2008, 04:02 AM
lol not bad for a membership and some mags haha.

What about Dee-eh-nee-kee-s??? I heard that on the history channel the other day and that seems to make sense... does that sound like a reasonable pronunciation Loosed???

DFW wikipedia is actually one of my favorite websites lol but I do know to take it with a grain of salt also. Thx you for the link I've actually read that page several times. The Laconic Phrase has always fascinated me as has Spartan society as a whole but their unique manner of speech is something I think is often overlooked. An excellent piece of $.02 there DFW lmao

Ahhhh the old Come and Take It Flag... also an excellent piece of history. They've been remaking them with .50 BMG on them to update them a little bit. Some ppl like sticking to tradition but I love the new flags as well as the original. I wonder if the flag was inspired by the Spartan response??? I guess we'll never know... I doubt it though...

Excellent point .38 and I agree with you 100%. But I also think that a good deal of gunowners would band together if the govt. all of a sudden came knocking on doors collecting their firearms. In a singular event I agree with you but if the Govt. is confiscating a single persons firearms then they probably have good reason too. But if they were disarming the population as a whole then I honestly do believe they'd run into some major problems in the form of citizen soldiers with their rifles. Maybe I'm naive maybe I'm an optimist or maybe I'm right I hope we'll never have to find out.

Nice first post db lol and where can you get those hats??? I've been looking everywhere for hats like that??? I agree with Bac the hat looks awesome despite the accent marks.

expvideo
November 25, 2008, 11:15 AM
My understanding is that modern greek pronunciation is different from the pronunciation of that time period.

.38 Special
November 25, 2008, 10:30 PM
Say, dbbeebs, remind me how that worked out for the Spartans, would you?

And SpartanWarrior, remind me what happened in New Orleans, too!

Seriously, I agree with you that nationwide door-to-door confiscation would probably result in gun owners banding together, but I don't think it could ever get to that point. It's kind of hard to imagine our military willing to take such action against the citizenry in the first place.

SpartanWarriorXIII
November 26, 2008, 03:46 AM
I think they were using modern pronunciation but yeah you're right it is different.

Yes but in New Orleans the OVERWHELMING majority of ppl were gone because of evacuations and I think ppl just wanted help whether they had to give up their firearms or not. I believe those circumstances were different than if the govt were infringing on our 2nd amend. rights for their benefit.

I agree with you also I don't ever believe it would come to that either but I do believe laws will continue to be tightened until we finally say we will resist those laws by threat of force. Either that or our new president elect will force us out of the race money wise by increasing taxes to a ridiculous point on ammo and firearms. That's just my outlook on the topic ;)

BacSi67
November 26, 2008, 11:12 AM
As the American letter D has no letter equivalent in Greek ( it's a diphthong,NT) it is pronounced Thee-en-nee- kes (hard th, the accent is on the nee, and the last e is short as in elephant.
So much for the Greek lesson. LOL
Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
BacSi 67

expvideo
November 26, 2008, 11:14 AM
It's kind of hard to imagine our military willing to take such action against the citizenry in the first place.
About as hard as imagining them spying on our phone calls.

.38 Special
November 26, 2008, 08:17 PM
Some of us have more vivid imaginations than others, as this website clearly demonstrates.

bujinin
December 8, 2008, 12:45 PM
in re: molon labe/ the add mentioning the one mil persians vs 300 lacedaemonians is surely incorrect in the numbers stated and doesnt mention the Thespians who also died with the 300 sparkles. ALL were disarmed, dislegged and beheaded?

CoRoMo
December 8, 2008, 03:28 PM
I'm thinking about getting this as a tattoo. Any thoughts on that??

Don't get staph.

SpartanWarriorXIII
December 8, 2008, 06:16 PM
lmao thx Coromo...

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