Reality check, what will the Obama admin GET out of us?


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|0O0y
November 19, 2008, 06:00 PM
I think they will only get a closing of the nonexistent "gun show loophole." No AWB thank God.

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ZombieKiller
November 19, 2008, 06:02 PM
Obama's circle is becoming very Clintonian. Take it as you will:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl156

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 19, 2008, 06:04 PM
The NEW Change!:)

Anyway, I also hope all the power they have is to close the gun show loopholes.

When you think about it, just anyone should not be able to walk into a gun show and buy a gun.

What about outlaws and convicted felons? I'd say most don't care about laws.

PTK
November 19, 2008, 06:07 PM
Very, very little will be lost, IMO.

larry starling
November 19, 2008, 06:08 PM
Nothing, :confused:

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 19, 2008, 06:09 PM
Then the stores will be out of stock for a little while, then the new goods will come in, twice as many as before, and most everyone already shot their wad on guns, ammo, you name it and then the prices will FALL!

Let's hope that's the way it goes!:)

tnieto2004
November 19, 2008, 06:13 PM
I agree with inspector.

mgregg85
November 19, 2008, 06:15 PM
I believe that all of the above is pretty possible. Especially if the obama reign of terror goes for eight years.

DRYHUMOR
November 19, 2008, 06:16 PM
You forgot to put taxes on your poll. That's gotta come.

Treo
November 19, 2008, 06:19 PM
Listen and understand, that Gungrabber is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop until you are ...disarmed
Do you guys really think that the left is so stupid that they actually think gun control lowers crime? Hello, they live in D.C. they know it doesn't but they will hide behind that reasoning to take your guns away.

Every inch you give them is an inch they will never ever give back They don't care about crime statistics, they don't care how many crimes are stopped every year because somebody had a firearm. They want your guns and when (note I didn't say if) they get them they will set out to prove to the world that the only reason Socialism hasn't worked ever, anywhere it's ever been tried is because it hasn't been tried by Americans.

Ky Larry
November 19, 2008, 06:19 PM
In his first term, not much. I think he will enjoy the power so much he won't screw up his chances for reelection. However, in his second term, he'll push for whatever he can get. Remember, the president cannot rule by edict. He can sign or veto legislation that is sent to him by congress. Dem controlled congress is what we should be worried about. Chuck and Dianne never met a gun grabbing bill they didn't like.

Lone_Gunman
November 19, 2008, 06:23 PM
A new and improved assault weapon ban is likely, but probably not as a law unto itself, but as a rider on some other piece of legislation.

The Democrats will use an AWB as a bargaining chip. The scenario I see is that the Dems will want to raise taxes. The Republicans will oppose this. The Dems will then agree to less of a tax increase in exchange for a new AWB. The Republicans will gladly cave in to keep from paying as much tax.

tpaw
November 19, 2008, 06:25 PM
He does not think that anyone should own a firearm at all, except the military and police. He wants to disarm the entire country if he can and make us vulnerable to every criminal that's out there. Here's where we are headed. It's a bit of a read, but worth it.


This may be closer to reality than you think

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later,

Sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took Away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars.

Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA , THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."

--Samuel Adams

If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.

SigfanUSAF
November 19, 2008, 06:25 PM
2008, we've lost too many jobs already.

The social democrats want our assault rifles off the streets, HOWEVER, they probably realize that shutting down the civilian sector of assault rifle sales in this country would probably kill 10 to 20,000 jobs between sales, manufacturing, distributing, shipping, etc.

GHF
November 19, 2008, 06:32 PM
He as to make a choice on our issues, as well as others.

Remember that even though he is from Daleyville, there is no indication that he is the rabid banner in the mold of Chuckie, Sara, or McCarthy. Kennedy may not live to see the new year, and Laudenberg is no spring chicken either.

Part of his problem in the issue is that he is essentially clueless. Anybody that lived where he has lived - Hawaii, NYC, and Chicago - has no idea what is involved with having guns in your life. On the other hand, he has no known experience that has tramatized him (Kennedy, DiFi, McCarthy) into political action.

He has other issues that he wants to pursuit. He needs both the Blue Dog Dems to support him, and can not afford to fire up the GOP. Several of his key team - Rabin Emanual for example - were around in 1994, and know what happened; Emanual recruited some of the congresscritters from the south who are loudly pro-gun. Even Chucky - in his drive to increase the number of Dem senators - went out and enlisted people like Casey, Webb, and McCaskle who are not Laudenberg alcolites.

We are better organized than we were in 1994. The emotionalism of the time has spent. People are much involved in their personal protection. Heller has come down. There are 6 million CCW people are out there.

We must remain vigilent and disciplined, but we will prevail.

AKCOP
November 19, 2008, 06:41 PM
God forbid something tragic happens, but if or when it does that will be the push the dems and BHO will use to promote whatever form of increased gun control will fly with the public. If some lunatic kills a boat load of people with a bolt action .22 then that is what will be the focus of the new laws to protect us from ourselves.

everallm
November 19, 2008, 06:47 PM
First term

High profile but essentially meaningless "War on illegal guns" announcement.

Tiahrt Amendment repealed or "Under review" and words about closing the "gun show loophole" which won't affect intrastate FTF private sales.

Discussions and some pushes for states to up the ownership age for handguns to 21, most states tell him to bugger off.

Son of AWB will be raised and die in committee

Term the Second

"Time for me to burnish my legacy".....be aware and look at ALL bills

mljdeckard
November 19, 2008, 06:52 PM
I agree with everallm word for word, BUT I'm also made more uneasy by BHO's cabinet choices. NONE of these people would like to wait.

7.62X25mm
November 19, 2008, 06:53 PM
JOIN THE NRA

Demos have learned that "gun control" is a divisive issue, and that it loses elections.

Obama seems genuinely interested in "working across the aisle." Let us endeavor to remind him and his cabinet what stands "across the aisle" and how it will turn out politicians who support asinine and ineffectual restrictions on RKBA.

RX-178
November 19, 2008, 08:23 PM
There's one thing that most of you are neglecting in your reasoning on 1st and 2nd terms.

What if Obama realizes that he can't win a second term?

He's not stupid, he knows the demographic that voted for him. Interviews at the polls had people saying 'I voted for Obama so I could be a part of history.' or 'I wanted to see the first black President.'

Well, now he's set to be the first black President. He's automatically going to lose those voters in the next election.

His other supporters were parading in the streets in celebration, saying how their saviour hath cometh, and how they were sure that Obama was going to fix everything that Bush did, and make everything right.

Come on, Obama is an educated man, and an INTELLIGENT politician. He knows darn well that there is nothing he can do to fix the problems we have right now. At least, nothing he can do within the attention span of his supporters.

I've said before that the current US political and economic situation mirrors that of Taiwan exactly.

Taiwan had their 'Bush' (IE, a bad president, in the public eye. In Taiwan's case, he really WAS a bad president, and is under house arrest pending charges of corruption, insider trading, embezzlement and money laundering) for the past 8 years. Recently, the other party won in a landslide, with the election of Ma Ying Jiu.

It's been 6 months since that election, and President Ma's supporters have now taken to protest marching the Presidential estate, because of how the economy got worse, instead of better.

It's not his FAULT. There was nothing he or anyone else could've done to stop the recession from progressing further within just 6 months of taking office. But his supporters don't care about that. They elected him so that he would fix things, and in their minds, he's already failed.

I would bet you that the exact same thing happens to Obama.

Obama has been elected to serve in the worst possible situation he could ever imagine. A situation where he cannot do anything to please the public. If I didn't know any better I might even be convinced that this is the 'legacy' that Bush was talking about leaving for his Democrat successor.

This can go one of two ways.

Obama can do everything he can to keep from being controversial. No sweeping gun bans, no attack on the coal industry. Bring the troops home because that should make people happy, try to do his best to make sure that nothing he does ticks anybody off.

Or

Obama will give up on re-election, and start doing everything he really WANTS to do.

mljdeckard
November 19, 2008, 08:27 PM
If he's in a position where he KNOWS he can't win a second term, it is highly unlikely he'll have enough political capital left to push something as controversial as gun legislation. Even if he doesn't think he can win, he'll still be running.

MD_Willington
November 19, 2008, 08:28 PM
Start writing the blue dog dems, in a civil manner tell them they will not keep their .gov jobs if they side with more asinine weapons laws, as you will see fit to legally remove them from said .gov job.

tblt
November 19, 2008, 08:38 PM
I don't think Obama will last 8 years

Blue .45
November 19, 2008, 08:43 PM
I think he will do something before the mid term elections. He can't count on having a filibuster proof majority in Congress beyond that time.

JWarren
November 19, 2008, 08:47 PM
I think he will do something before the mid term elections. He can't count on having a filibuster proof majority in Congress beyond that time.


He doesn't have one of those NOW...


-- John

BrianB
November 19, 2008, 08:59 PM
Bohica

tpaw
November 19, 2008, 09:15 PM
'I wanted to see the first black President.'

Isn't it interesting how his being half white is totally dismissed by everyone. In all actuality, BHO is the first Mulatto president. Think about it, what does that tell you?

JWarren
November 19, 2008, 09:26 PM
I voted Gun show "loophole."

The Democratic thinktanks have practically come to a consensus that the "94 AWB costed control of Congress. To them, the price was too high-- 14 years out of power in congress.

I think that they would LOVE to have a permanant AWB, but they will not make the attempt prior to the Mid-Terms.

BHO NEEDS control of congress to do what he wants to do. The Messiah NEEDS to have a successful Presidency. This means he will do what most 1st term Presidents do if they want a second term-- stay in the middle and not be too controversial in the first term.

If he gets a second term, THAT is when Presidents repay all thier owed favors and when they reveal their agendas.

BHO KNOWS the economy got him elected. He knows that this will be where he will be judged. This is where he will win or lose the opportunity for a second term. To do anything legislatively, a President must expend political capital. BHO isn't interested in using it on gun control at this time, in my opinion. He has bigger fish to fry.

I will get VERY wary after the mid-term elections if the Democrats gain ground there. I will breath a little easier if they lose ground there-- and will feel pretty good if they lose majority.

If he keeps a majority in Congress after the mid-term, we may well see something in the first term-- but it will likely be something less-controversial-- i.e. the "loophole."

That issue has been sold fairly well, and the public doesn't understand it. When those two conditions are present, the public usually accepts what they are told. No controversy, no risk to him. Add to that the fact that they will say that EVEN John McCain supported closing the "loophole" and they have an instant win in Congress.

It makes them seem like they have done SOMETHING in the area of gun control-- and they will have done so with little risk to themselves.

This "buys off" to a degree the Bradys and thier ilk. It allows them to close out some of the "debt" owed to them politically.

And still, they have risked nothing.



It will be the 2nd term that you REALLY have to worry about. Or if a supermajority forms in the mid-terms.



-- John

Blue .45
November 19, 2008, 10:25 PM
Quote:
I think he will do something before the mid term elections. He can't count on having a filibuster proof majority in Congress beyond that time.

He doesn't have one of those NOW...


No. we still have to wait and see what happens in Minnesota and Georgia. However, even if the Democrats lose both of those races, We can't count on " moderate" Republicans to stand firm on 2A rights. I still believe Obama's best chance of getting significant gun legislation passed, will be within his first two years.

Having been born and raised in Chicago, perhaps I'm more pessimistic about this issue than some. I hope I'm wrong.

The Bushmaster
November 19, 2008, 11:01 PM
He'll get nothing from me...

5knives
November 19, 2008, 11:29 PM
Has anyone considered that a rapid "amnesty for Guest Workers" and their given citizenship before the 2010 elections, will guarantee a Dem sweep in 2010?

No fear for 'O' nor for the Dem congress critters.

The official 'estimate is Twelve Million but it'll turn out to be more like Twenty Million.

And then of course there's the Party 'Ace in the Hole' ACORN.

I lived and worked in the Chicago area for over 40 years. I'm sorry to say I was even active in Party Poliitcs for a while.

I know what a Chicago Ward Politician is!

And Obama is a Chicago Ward Politician!

And Chicago politics just went national!

I voted 'All of the above'.

And it'll happen faster than anyone here today can believe.

For a glimpse into our future, check out what happened in Australia.

Hope I'm wrong, but afraid I'm right!

Regards,
:)

MD_Willington
November 19, 2008, 11:42 PM
Look at his AG pick, he's surrounding himself with gun grabbers...

Blue .45
November 20, 2008, 12:24 AM
I know what a Chicago Ward Politician is!

And Obama is a Chicago Ward Politician!

And Chicago politics just went national!

I voted 'All of the above'.


5knives, You summed it up perfectly.

Ron-Bon
November 20, 2008, 12:34 AM
I believe that eventually, an all out ban on guns will exist. The coming new world order is dead-set against the right of citizens to own firearms because that reduces their power to impose their will on us. If you don't believe me, read a Bible and look at all the cable news networks. Our very way of life is in very real danger people. The government is buying stock in all kinds of industries, which I can almost guarantee will end capitalism and private ownership rights as we know it. The devil is at work. I only hope that this new world order does not come about in my lifetime

Rifleman 173
November 20, 2008, 12:57 AM
I don't think that Obama, Pelosi, Schumer and Fat Teddy have enough votes, this time, to get a new AWB put into effect. I have two reasons for saying this:

#1. The last ban failed miserably. It had no effect on crime at all and it cost a number of elected officials their precious re-election efforts.

#2. Most western and southern politicians will want nothing to do with a new AWB of any kind. They saw what happened to those that voted for the last one so I don't think that support for this effort will be forthcoming. I think that in some circles, a new AWB will be treated like a red-headed stepchild that has the plague.

I also think that even though the numbers are against him, Obama and ilk will still TRY to pass or slip an AWB through Congress only to have it defeated again.

DoubleTapDrew
November 20, 2008, 01:09 AM
They will get whatever we give them. Band together, spread information, join an organized RKBA group, don't budge an inch. Just because they aren't coming for YOUR favorite weapon class this time doesn't mean it's not next on the list. They want to take them all. Protect them all. We have the power and numbers to stand up and say "I don't think so" but only if ALL gun owners stick together. Don't let the antis use the effective "divide and conquer" technique when our freedom is on the line.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 20, 2008, 05:07 AM
I believe that eventually, an all out ban on guns will exist. The coming new world order is dead-set against the right of citizens to own firearms because that reduces their power to impose their will on us. If you don't believe me, read a Bible and look at all the cable news networks. Our very way of life is in very real danger people. The government is buying stock in all kinds of industries, which I can almost guarantee will end capitalism and private ownership rights as we know it. The devil is at work. I only hope that this new world order does not come about in my lifetime

I agree, and I believe it is closer than we would like to think.

For once in my life, I believe the antichrist is among us.

Dravur
November 20, 2008, 10:13 AM
What will Obama's administration get out of me?

My undying hatred.

jason10mm
November 20, 2008, 10:54 AM
I think he will wait until he can be sure of a SCOTUS win should a new weapon ban be challenged with DC vs Heller.

Plus, a fight to ban guns while the economy and the war is still the top topic will show that he isn't focused where he was promising.

Finally, there are a LOT more "AWB" rifles out there, and with the AR-15 CLEARLY a legitament hunting rifle it is hard to assault.

I think imported stuff might become more scarse, Executive Orders are more likely a tool than congressional ban.

What worries me more is if Reid and Pelosi try to force the issue to weaken BHO. If they can wrest control of the party away from him (and I really think there will be an internal Dem struggle as BHO starts to realize he is "the man") by forcing him to sign bills or face vetoing stuff, then all sorts of stuff could start passing.

Realistically, assuming the republicans can get their act together in the nest 2 years, we should see the pendulum swing back. 2 years is a LONG time to still "blame Bush" for everything and those new blue states will go back to red, especially when higher taxes come along, hitting a much lower threshold than 250K.

The dems only chance is to keep the repubs on the defensive and their base demoralized. Antagonizing the gun lovers is a sure way to foil that plan.

If everyone signs up their wife, kids, and parents into the NRA $10/year membership and the NRA goes from 4 million to 15 million members, then I'd start thinking we will be safe.

#shooter
November 20, 2008, 11:20 AM
I think he will do all on this list and more. He may not do anything his first 100 days per se. He does have a lot on his plate right now and wants to get re-elected so not much may happen right now unless some incident occurs. Heller will limit Obama’s anti-gun agenda little, but there is plenty to worry about. The only ban being talked about is the AWB. The other issues attack gun ownership from a financial POV, such as: ammo serialization, lead bans, banning hi-cap mags(usually included with AWB), microstamping, childproofing, and federalizing CCW (then limit it to retired police only).

dcal
November 20, 2008, 11:23 AM
Where's the, "They'll get what we give them" option?

If every one of us jumped at the same time, Congress would feel the ground shake when we land. It's a matter of coordination, effort, and maybe getting a few Fudds on board. If we could do that, I don't think they'll get anything from us.

It was quite a scene when Congress was running around like chickens sans heads when everybody was screaming about the bailout package. Granted it eventually passed, but only after the pressure from the People waned a bit.

I'm hardly an optimist, but I'd hope that we could muster enough folks together to make them understand a vote for any of the aforementioned options would result in loss of a Congressional seat.

Farnorthdan
November 20, 2008, 12:02 PM
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.


The next most important tool in your arsenal should be a shovel not your phone....See no evil hear no evil....


DS

Cmdr. Gravez0r
November 20, 2008, 12:46 PM
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.

There's a pretty clear lesson here. Can anyone say "Zimbabwe Drill?"

Big Matt
November 20, 2008, 05:30 PM
I have to say all of the above. And I feel that post #40 hit it dead on.

The "executive order" item that allows BHO to bypass congress is the key. Now it's been a long time since my government classes; but I believe that Biden's statement of another attack/tragedy/etc will come true giving BHO the "time of crisis" reason to create massive gun and equipment bans. Anyone remember Katrina and NOLA?

I know that there have been laws passed to prevent these sorts of seizures, but (correct me if I'm wrong) his executive orders could easily circumvent those rulings.

I am very concerned about the "change" this country is now facing. I do, however, pray that I'm wrong and simply paranoid for no reason. But I highly doubt that I am.

newkahrman
November 20, 2008, 07:28 PM
I would be willing to bet that the people who are saying BO will do very little or nothing to our gun rights voted for him. I would also bet some of them are buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style. Not a gripe, just an intuition. I would like to believe the optimists, but I'm a realist. I think at a minimum, it will be no more gunshow loophole and AWB the sequel. I hope to god I'm wrong.

Juna
November 20, 2008, 07:52 PM
If ever there were a time for anti-gunners to get their way, it is now. Even under Clinton the conditions were not as tilted toward the anti-gunners. Democratic majorities by a large margin means gun bans are coming. I would say nothing is off the table. Microstamping, ammo tax hikes, AWB, caliber bans, "loophole closures", repeal of the Tiahrt amendment....

The only thing that may keep them a little less aggressive is not wanting to be voted out right away. The threat of needing to win re-election is the only potential check we have now. No vetoes. No help from the courts once Obama appoints his nut job judges. Possible filibuster proof majority in the Senate still (depends on Coleman & Chambliss races still underway).

ServiceSoon
November 20, 2008, 09:46 PM
I have every intention to fight them so they get bubkes.

LightningJoe
November 20, 2008, 11:31 PM
Obama wants to socialize healthcare, jack up the taxes on certain people, exempt certain other people from taxes, and create a socialist utopia. But he probably won't be able to do any of that because government revenues will be way down and borrowing a trillion a year to make up for that may not be doable. So, he'll get frustrated and move on to symbolic stuff like gays in the military and gun control.


Of course, by then it might be 2010.

Prince Yamato
November 21, 2008, 02:00 AM
He's not getting anything from me. You remember those 8 years where liberals hampered everything President Bush did? Well, it's payback time. The Dear Leader isn't getting anything from me. I suspect the majority of you feel the same. This isn't 1994 and we don't have to be politically correct any more. This isn't 1994, we're all aware of the AWB this time. Most importantly, this isn't 1994 and we're not going to take their crap anymore.

Deus Machina
November 21, 2008, 02:41 AM
My honest opinion is that the administration will try everything on the list.

You don't get to be a politician by being stupid or uneducated. But I've dealt with quite enough people to have prove that intelligence and education do not equal sense.

Most of the people in office now don't remember what happened to their predecessors after '94. Most think things have changed since that backlash. Most think people are on their side, because the media is. Most think they can do anything they want, since their colleagues support them and the republicans lost their support.

Some actually do think that criminals will be subject to the laws. And even the ones that don't just don't want you carrying--after all, the military, police, and their personal guards can, and that's everyone that has a reason to, right?

The only thing that may keep these people in check are the lobbyists, and maybe a reminder of the backlash of '94--that their career will be severely limited--accompanied with the number of new purchases. The ones with more sense might realize what losing all those votes means.

With very few exceptions, they're elitists. They don't see the types of places where a gun is a survival tool. Republican, democrat, and everything in between, they're the elite class, and your rights, and your welfare and your security can go rot--as long as they keep their nice comfy paycheck. Things turning out well is only a lucky coincidence in their hope for job security.

Will anything actually pass? I can't say. Fund the NRA, contact your representatives, and remind the ones that won't vote against it that '94 saw a harsh flip, and no one survives losing those tens of millions of votes that new gun owners will be moving elsewhere. If the level of basic human sense is as abysmal as I, in my cynicism, expect it to be, it will be a hard fight.

Remind them their paycheck depends on how they treat us. And prepare for the worst.

BHP FAN
November 21, 2008, 02:52 AM
50% Income Tax.

skoro
November 21, 2008, 06:08 AM
Just my opinion, but I don't think the Democrats are all that hot to pass any gun laws. The last time they did, they lost both houses of congress for a dozen years. They're professional politicians. Losses like that register strongly. They now know it's a losing issue for them.

Obama's record in the Illinois legislature is strongly anti-gun, But he represented a high-crime area of South Chicago where his constituents wanted gun controls. He did what any good representative would: he acted in the interests of his district. I think Obama's an extremely bright guy. I doubt that gun control is a priority for him now. He has much bigger fish to fry.

During the campaign, the only place I EVER encountered any discussion of gun control was on forums like THR. And then, it was brought up by gun owners who fear the worst. In political forums, there was no clamor from Democrats for new gun laws.

I don't think it'll be an issue, unless some crackpot does something sensationally stupid. If that happens, all bets are off.

Ron-Bon
November 21, 2008, 12:03 PM
I think that gun-control nuts brainwash disenfranchised youth into committing school massacres just to have more ammunition in the war against guns

BHP FAN
November 21, 2008, 12:14 PM
That seems pretty cynical.On the other hand,one does seem to pop up whenever gun control laws are pending....but I think it has more to do with the state hospitals kickin' 'em lose before they're ''done''.

marineman
November 21, 2008, 05:38 PM
The best we can do is to write to our Congressmen and Senators and hope that they work for their constituents. Be proactive, not reactive.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 21, 2008, 05:46 PM
I would be willing to bet that the people who are saying BO will do very little or nothing to our gun rights voted for him.

I beg your pardon, I said he just may close the gun show loophole.

For the record, I did NOT vote for this man.

30mag
November 21, 2008, 05:59 PM
He hasn't talked much about gun control, and it seems to me that the only people worried about it anymore are gun owners.
I don't know how it was the first time around, but it seems like gun control hasn't been an issue in this election, and hopefully gun control won't be an issue of this administration.

Did Clinton run on a gun control platform in '92?
I was kinda smallish then.
like two.

30mag
November 21, 2008, 06:07 PM
I hate the NFA.
What's so bad about automatic rifles anyways?

The only difference is you don't have to squeeze the trigger for every single shot.

Friggin' public opinion.

newkahrman
November 21, 2008, 06:50 PM
here, here

XD-40 Shooter
November 21, 2008, 07:40 PM
With Eric Holder as Obama's AG and the probability that he will nominate a real jerk to head up the ATF, I'm concerned. Eric Holder pretty much supports the Brady wish-list, mandatory 3 day wait, one gun a month, licensing and registration, AWB, and on and on. I think the gun ban lobby will actively push this agenda on the Obama administration, and they will be receptive. We've got dark days ahead folks.

Also, Obama could give a rats ass about the 2-A, he lied through his teeth during the campaign, 50 million voters were dumb enough to buy it, they will get the govt they deserve. "A nation of sheep, begets a govt of wolves".

22-rimfire
November 21, 2008, 08:17 PM
Here are some American nightmares which could come to life if the right situation occur relative to a Obama presidency and administration.

This is fiction. An arbitrary date is included as April 2009. You might enjoy it. Maybe not.

An Important Message from our President. NBC interrupts all programing for this important announcement by our president.

Obama to the Nation.... My fellow citizens, we are about to embark on a campaign to rid the country of crime and violence against our citizens. I know you’re fed up by crime in our streets. The proliferation of firearms in our society is the root cause and the means for forces trying to rip apart the fabric of our peaceful society. Reasonable and responsible gun control measures are an important facet of that effort. Don't be alarmed. You still will be able to go hunting like your forefathers as it is an American tradition. The measures are common sense and will help the government track down terrorists and criminals more easily.

With that in mind I feel law enforcement as it is today is insufficient to respond to the threat as we know it to be. My recent visits to Kenya, Iran, China, and Russia and world history shows that traditional law enforcement as we know it in the USA is not prepared to quell organized criminal behavior on a national level. So in the next 12-months I will be forming a national security force outfitted much like our military who will answer to the President and operate within our borders. It will be a multi-national force and will work in conjunction with UN objectives worldwide. This force will stomp out crime, terrorists, would be terrorists, and keep the peace for the benefit of all peace loving Americans. We will protect our borders from foreign intrusion. We will be vigilant for the common good. We want you to be vigilant too. Contact our hot line if you see Anti-American behavior. A reward is offered if a terrorist is apprehended and convicted of crimes against the state.

I am a firm believer in the our Constitution. However due to world events and national economic crisis, I am suspending Amendments 1 through 10 commonly known as the Bill of Rights in our Constitution. Do not be alarmed, I conferred with a majority of our Supreme Court Justices prior to implementing this decision. We are currently seeking additional justices to fill posts of a number of retiring justices. It is temporary. Infractions will be reviewed on a case by case basis with the press given the most latitude. We live in troubled times. Internet activity will be monitored for Anti-American behavior since it is the preferred means of communication by terrorists. We will let no stone unturned in our search for terrorists. All email communication shall be automatically forwarded to an address to be provided to the internet providers. It will be automatic, so don’t be alarmed. You won’t even know it is happening. Emails will be spot checked for unpatriotic comments, beliefs, and other indicators which suggest threats to our national security or domestic tranquility. Internet providers who resist this requirement will be shut down.

To pay for this force, I am cutting an equal amount of funding from the military and one full division to start since we shall no longer wage war outside our boundaries unless attacked. We respect other nations to do what is in their best interest and we hope that the world will respect our efforts. We intend to show the world what Americans are made of, not the cowboy image of the past. We are not the world police force. Funding will be increased to the UN to pay for a unilateral military force with nuclear capabilities to maintain world peace. Rest assured that Uncle Sam will be watching out for you.

Good night and Peace be with you.

RX-178
November 21, 2008, 09:05 PM
Lest we forget that not all was gloom and doom even under the Clinton years.

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He managed to pass the Assault Weapons Ban. But let's keep that in perspective as well.

mordechaianiliewicz
November 21, 2008, 09:07 PM
It is virtually impossible to answer this question. What will Obama do? Just impossible to tell.

Deus Machina
November 22, 2008, 09:00 AM
To be honest, Obama probably doesn't care much about it now.

But he will sign any new restrictive laws that get through, and we should be worried about the other people in that line.

30mag
November 23, 2008, 01:37 PM
I agree with Dues

MT GUNNY
November 23, 2008, 01:59 PM
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Say something is bound to Happen

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Say not to worry.

Lone_Gunman
November 23, 2008, 02:15 PM
The way he has changed his tune, he might not do much of anything...

He isn't commmitted to pulling out of Iraq anymore...
He's decided not to raise taxes on the rich...

who knows what he will do?!

wacki
November 23, 2008, 07:28 PM
The supreme court, which (in the long run) will be far more damaging than anything Congress can pass.

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