Does a CCW make you a Target?


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clevland11
November 19, 2008, 08:36 PM
Does possessing a concealed carry permit make you more susceptible to harassment? I have heard dozens of horror stories on forums like this about citizens getting pulled over by the police and subsequently disarmed and harassed for merely exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Do you feel possessing a CCW makes you more likely to have a problem with the police?

I was considering getting my CCW but the thought of certain individuals gunning for me is a bit unsettling. Would police see you as a law abiding citizen, or a gun totting madman?

Any opinions?

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indoorsoccerfrea
November 19, 2008, 08:38 PM
in my opinion having a CCW would be proof to the cop that you are a law-abiding citizen, unless of course you are pulled over for something. a cops first concern when pulling someone over is resistance. showing them a sign you have committed no serious crimes and that you willingly admit to carrying seems to me that it would reassure them.
of course, cops are people like the rest of us. some may appreciate it and some may not

ServiceSoon
November 19, 2008, 08:41 PM
Depends on the officer.

clevland11
November 19, 2008, 08:44 PM
Thanks for the reply. I always assumed that owning a CCW would make one appear more trustworthy, but I've read much to the contrary. When an officer checks your license and sees that you are a permit holder, do you imagine them being ill at ease or confident in your lawfulness?

I know this is quite subjective but I'm really just looking for a gambit of opinions/experiences.

hobgob
November 19, 2008, 08:45 PM
As long as you are carrying within the law, then you are not going to have any problems. An LEO would have to have some other reason than your permit for harassment. However they can ask to see your permit and possibly your gun, but i doubt they would harass you. I posted a similar thread a year or so ago before i got my permit. If they do harass you, you can remind them that they are harassing a lawbiding citizen who has not broken any laws.

hso
November 19, 2008, 08:47 PM
No, I don't think it's a problem, but that may depend upon the state and community you live in.

ArfinGreebly
November 19, 2008, 08:50 PM
Most of the anecdotal evidence I've seen would seem to indicate that, in general, the law enforcement guys see a CCW as confirmation that you're one of the good guys.

Varies by region. Also varies by individual officer.

However, recently, there have been some incidents involving the press engaging in intimidation of CCW holders by obtaining lists of permit holders through FOIA requests and then publishing their names.

This has led to legal backlash in one or two places, and may do so in another.

Most places?

You will have no trouble with it.

You may find that you tend to engage is fewer risky activities -- like speeding or incautious driving maneuvers, or staying out late with your buds and getting wasted.

On the whole? I'd say go for it.

I would also, however, ensure that you are a member of the NRA (at the very least) and of other Right To Carry type organizations as well (GOA, JFPO, and any state organizations where you live).

Also familiarize yourself with which attorneys near you are RKBA-friendly and know their way around the firearms laws.

If you're going to participate in "active self defense" it is well to be prepared for something we call "problem #2," or defending yourself after defending yourself.

Search up some posts by member El Tejon on problem #2 for a glimpse of what that can mean.

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
November 19, 2008, 08:51 PM
I voted maybe since there is always the chance you will get an officer that might be anti with an agenda and a chip on his shoulder or even worse an officer who doesn't know the laws and tries to arrest you like they did in PA at the open carry dinner. We hear about this all the time on the forums.

jfdavis58
November 19, 2008, 08:55 PM
You will have a problem with the police when you break the law, or when you forget that respect is a necessary ingredient for peaceful coexistence or when you ignore common sense.

I don't do the first thing, always start by treating others as I want them to treat me wrt the second and learned a whole bunch of the third long before I was able to handle a gun. I've never had any problems with the police. They've never had a problem with me.

Sam1911
November 19, 2008, 09:03 PM
Your mileage may vary considerably with this one, but, generally, no.

As others have said, it will depend a bit (sometimes a lot) on the officer. Some are quite favorable and do view it as a bit of a "good guy" card. Others see it as a threat because someone other than themselves (or another cop) has a gun and that makes them unhappy/uncomfortable. Many are going to fall somewhere in between. As in, might not be completely in favor of every man being armed but know the law and understand that these "gun nuts" pretty much don't cause any trouble.

(Let me preface by saying, cops are citizens, too. I'm just using the word "citizen" to indicate the non-officer-individual in each situation.)

There are stories of pretty raw treatment due to (at least in part) the citizen's weapon being seen as a negative.

There are a LOT of stories -- and I think a whole lot MORE -- where minor infractions are discharged with a verbal warning after the citizen's permit and/or weapon are made known. This has happened to me (not paying attention, 80 mph in a 65 zone, officer saw permit and had me on my way again in less than two minutes with a verbal warning).

Your behavior and attitude will always mean more than your permit status (well, unless you're carrying illegally or something) and, unfortunately, so will the officer's opinions and attitude.

As with every other interaction you face when carrying, when that gun is on your belt you must hold yourself to the highest standards of which you are capable, regardless of what any other citizen (officer or not) does.

Get your permit, carry your gun, obey the traffic laws, and adopt the highest level of civility. You won't have any trouble.

-Sam

TRGRHPY
November 19, 2008, 09:13 PM
Maybe. I have heard of people having been given a hard time, but I have decided the persons actions and/or behavior as being the deciding factor of whether a person gets harrassed or not. Of course there are some instances where cops are just plain jerks. Let's be honest here, many people in the gun community act like know-it-all jerks themselves. They rant and rave about how much they think they know about guns, how much better they shoot, how much more knowledgeable they are about CC laws and local laws...this attitude, no doubt, reflects in the way they speak with LE when engaged. I had a boss who had this attitude when I lived in CA. His attitude alone was responsible for him getting pulled over and harrassed almost on a weekly basis. (His attitude reflected in his vehicle which had illegal window tint, car lowered too far, loud stereo, loud exhaust) He insisted on questioning the security/officers of the places we went which were places that he was not supposed to be able to carry...ie: the courthouse and other government buildings, the school, the casino, etc. He wasted an hour and a half with security at the casino as to why it was dangerous for him (and his $40) to be there without his gun. Irritating.

Since I have had my permit, I have had no problems at all. It is not unusual for the local pd to run registration while sitting in traffic, and I have seen my plates being run several times without the officer wasting out time to pull me over to check for firearm issues. I look at it this way: I am more worried about not having my firearm in case of an emergency than I am about being harrassed by LE. I stay low-key, keep it concealed, and obey the law. If you do that then I don't see a reason for LE to bother you.

Good luck with your decision. I certainly can understand why some people do not want to carry. I personally wouldn't make a suggestion one way or the other, but I would state that taking other peoples experiences with a grain of salt would be wise.

wally
November 19, 2008, 11:35 PM
Absolutely not. In the 13+ years I've had my CHL, showing it to the police when stopped, carrying or not, has got me a warning instead of a ticket 3 of 4 times. The one a-hole who accused me of speeding when I wasn't, I beat in traffic court. Rather pay the lawyer than the city of Houston for their speed traps!

--wally.

BrianB
November 19, 2008, 11:38 PM
Less of an issue if you have an out-of-state, non-resident permit. But where I live, it's a moot point.

jakemccoy
November 19, 2008, 11:43 PM
After reading the original post, I see you have a different point of view than what I was thinking. I'd vote yes after reading the perspective of the original post. However, I thought "target" meant harassment by non-cop citizens, like people picking fights for no reason just because you have a CCW.

I imagine that carrying a CCW during a pat down by a cop would never be better than having no CCW at all. Comparing the two scenarios, how could it be better? Be real. If I got pat down, I'd want my weapons to vanish magically, thanks. So yes, there is a higher likelihood for harassment if you are carrying in certain situations.

DoubleTapDrew
November 19, 2008, 11:52 PM
I can't imagine carrying a CCW in front of a cop being BETTER than having no CCW at all.
I think any LEO who has been on the job for a little while would be a tad more concerned with the ones who are carrying and they don't know about it (yet). Showing that you've jumped through all (their) legal hoops to be in compliance with the law speaks positively for your character. You've got their boss' signature on that card. But like others have said, it varies with the location and individual officer.

jakemccoy
November 20, 2008, 12:04 AM
I think any LEO who has been on the job for a little while would be a tad more concerned with the ones who are carrying and they don't know about it (yet). Showing that you've jumped through all (their) legal hoops to be in compliance with the law speaks positively for your character. You've got their boss' signature on that card. But like others have said, it varies with the location and individual officer.

Let's be on the same page. Let's assume a non-violent person being pat down during a traffic stop for going 95 in a 65. How would having a CCW on your person be better than having none at all? In my parts, I have a pretty good hunch to say, no, it won't be better in just about every kind of stop. Of course, a law violation can be much worse than merely speeding on the freeway. So, the opportunities for going down hill from there are vast.

DoubleTapDrew
November 20, 2008, 12:13 AM
Fair enough. I was thinking more of a LEO finding out you have a CC license rather than the task of frisking an armed vs unarmed person. Although finding a weapon won't be a surprise if you are licensed and cooperative (here it comes up when they run your driver's license and they sometimes ask if you are carrying at the time).

7.62X25mm
November 20, 2008, 12:17 AM
NO!

State law provides a CCW notice on the "run sheet" police use to check a vehicle. So the police know you have one when they pull you over.

We're not required to "inform" but I do as a courtesy. They know anyway. The other courtesy, in the dark, is to turn on the overhead light so the interior of the vehicle is visible.

I have nothing to hide. I don't care if they can see in the car. It makes them significantly less anxious when they can see inside the vehicle.

Typically they ask for license, registration, CCW. Then they ask me if I missed the speed limit sign coming into town (which I did) or why I passed the tanker at 80 MPH (because your vehicle was behind me, and the passing lane is short).

I had one LEO ask to see my Rem. 700 PSS -- not for any sort of "legal inspection" but because he wanted one and was interested in what I had set up.

I think, and law enforcement has told me, that the CCW puts the holder in the "vetted and safe" column on a traffic stop.

5knives
November 20, 2008, 12:36 AM
Is anyones answer affected by the President elects previous statements that he favors blanket cancellation of all CCW licenses and permits?

now you know how I voted!

Regards,
:(

jerryrigger
November 20, 2008, 03:43 AM
i'll agree with the last poster in that i am concerned about such things...here in MA, we who have obtained legal ccw permits (class-a in this state, altho possibly class-b as well) have certainly jumped through enough legal hoops that i would be surprised to find a permit holder who is not quite an upstanding citizen who just values his right to defend himself (or herself). while i know the cops in my town may value my ccw permit, as it is technically issued by the town, i still fear being pulled over by state police who i do not know, or know somewhat who may feel something different. believe me when i tell you that in this state, when i firearm is involved, i tend to be far more conscious of laws that i may not have been as conscious of before obtaining my ccw, such as rights on red lights, or speeding past 5 mph over the posted limit. there is too much of a chance of drawing the card of an officer who feels threatened by the fact that you are taking advantage of your constitutional right to bear arms and decides to pat you down etc. i have nothing to hide, but to be honest, when especially when a firearm is involved, you can bet that my jeep does 60 in a 65 zone, just to be safe. the risk of losing my ccw for any reason (which would probably be easy here) carries too much weight for me to chance it to get somewhere 5 minutes sooner etc...i would rather get up earlier and not have the encounter at all than take my chances with the police, even though i do everything within the limits of the law. the chances are just too great to risk, and this right is not highly regarded within the commonwealth. with the new president-elect coming into office, i certainly see myself continuing or even strengthening my will to abide by every traffic law etc., so as not to allow my position to become weaker to my state authorities, who nodoubt would see my right to carry disappear just as soon as they would wake up in the morning. just my .02, and while i dont feel it makes you an LE target, i would say that in some areas they may hold a permit holder to a higher standard, and i want nothing to get in the way of my ability to protect myself and my loved ones should i ever have to, nor do i want my ability to do so limited or inconvenienced any further than it already is. with a freedom as valuable and volatile as the right to bear arms, all of us must make sure that we act with the highest amount of responsibility in order to keep this right available to us. not all of us live in an area that is as regulated as mine, but you must keep in mind as well that when exercising your right to carry, you not only hold your own right in the balance, but the rights of every other citizen in the country. if you happen to be the one ccw'er of 1,000 who drives drunk, disobeys traffic laws, mouths off to a cop, or carries incompetently (read: in a manner that is not in line with your state's laws), you hold in the balance of your actions nothing less than the rights of every legal ccw permit holder. whether you feel you might be a target or not, you have the responsibility to act accordingly, and make absolutely sure that you do not break any law, no matter how minor it may seem at the time, because your actions affects us all.


edit: especially with a new president et al. coming into office!!

j_charles
November 20, 2008, 11:53 AM
Oops! I answered the poll before I read OP's question. I assumed by target, we were talking about of the criminal kind, so I answered no, but I guess I should have answered "maybe." In my neck of the woods, it could probably go either way. Since I got my CHL I've made it a point to drive very carefully, because I don't particularly want to have the opportunity to find out what our local LEO's opinions on CCW are, really. I live in the liberal NW, in one of it's most liberal cities.

jackstinson
November 20, 2008, 11:58 AM
I have heard dozens of horror stories on forums like this about citizens getting pulled over by the police and subsequently disarmed and harassed
I've read dozens of stories on the internet of alien abduction also.

texaspunk
November 20, 2008, 12:08 PM
I'm sure it's different State to State, but in Texas I think a citizen showing a CHL generally makes LEO's more comfortable during traffic stops, etc... it's an instant background check. I'd like to think it wouldn't ever make us targets for harassment, but in today's climate, who knows??? Things seem to be getting pretty crazy.

#shooter
November 20, 2008, 12:09 PM
I choose "maybe" becuse it depends. If you travel a lot I would imagine it might. If you have a CCW in Indiana and you travel to Chicago, if you are pulled over in IL they may ask to seacrh your vehicle if they see you have a CCW. This is speculation of course, I have no idea how much information states share with each other. In addition most states do not require you to disclose that you have a CCW. I would think within the issuing state haveing a CCW would lesson harrasment.

foghornl
November 20, 2008, 12:15 PM
Target of Law Enforcement? generally, no.

Target of Bad Guys? Oh, yeah...especially in Ohio, where the Legislature has NOT closed the Media Access to CCW License Holder Records Loophole. i.e. "The MainScream Media" can AND DOES publish lists of CCW License holders.

Cleveland "Plain Dealer", Akron "Beacon-Journal", Lake County "Herald" are all guilty of this. Not sure about other papers in Ohio, but these "Pravda" replacements do publish those lists.

expvideo
November 20, 2008, 12:16 PM
Absolutely. Having been pulled over several times (I used to speed a lot. Not anymore) while CCing, I can tell you from personal experience that it depends entirely on the officer. I've had officers who don't care at all. I've had officers let me off the ticket because they appreciated that I let them know I had a weapon. I've had officers who took my gun and ran my serial numbers. I've had officers who called for backup, delayed me for 30 minutes, had me step out of the car and acted as if they were arresting me.

It varies entirely on the officer, but yes. Just having a weapon (regardless of if you say anything about it) can get you a lot of harassment from the police. My advice is to not say anything about it, but they are able to see that you have a CCW permit when they run your plates, before they ever get to your window. Some cops are nice about it, some cops don't care, and some cops will all but place you in handcuffs.

ETA:
I should also mention that I'm not a suspicious looking person, and I act like your average Joe. I don't give off a "gun nut" vibe, or anything either. Usually people are surprised to find out that I carry. So we aren't talking about me acting like a weirdo and making the cops want to look further into my situation.

esq_stu
November 20, 2008, 12:16 PM
I said maybe. In my experience, LEOs have been totally fine. Sometimes the subject comes up in casual conversation and there are those that support it and those that are afraid of it.

A cousin of mine just yesterday said something like "I know you and you are normal so it would not bother me if you carry a gun, but if everyone carried, it would be like the old west." I pointed out that the old west was not like the movies and TV, which he acknowledged, but yet, that is the image in his mind.

I have to give some of the blame for our problems to TV, TV news and Hollywood. That may be the place to focus our efforts.

GEM
November 20, 2008, 12:22 PM
No problems in my part of Texas.

mljdeckard
November 20, 2008, 12:33 PM
I flipped through the other responses, and I agree with what I read. Remember, every time a cop pulls you over, he is hoping to bust you for something more than speeding or a taillight, the rationale being, "If he's irresponsible enough to not take care of his car, maybe he's also irresponsible enough to ignore an old bench warrant." When they see the permit, they know this is highly unlikely. (I also have veteran plates on my car. I think this has gotten me out of a couple of tickets as well.) When I rarely get pulled over, it usually winds up turning into a conversation about why I like my 1911 better than the cop's Glock. I actually bumped into one of them at the range later and let him shoot it.

When you get a permit, your perspective about the law should change. You are under the microscope. You become aware that there are people in this country who desperately want you to screw up and hurt someone. They want you to justify their fears about all of us. You can't be average anymore about following the law. You must be better. This is why CCW holders are the segment of society least likely to commit a crime. Use the middle lane, let people pass you. Don't burn through that yellow light. Avoid bringing attention to yourself. Look for a back door. You'll get the idea.

In Utah, CCW holders are sealed.

Deanimator
November 20, 2008, 01:03 PM
Most problems with the police that I've heard about involve open carry.

I'm not worried about being harassed by the police. It isn't likely to happen where I live. If it happens somewhere else, that's just money for me to retire on. If you're a cop and you feel some need to misbehave toward me or you're a city law director and don't have control over your public security people, here are three concepts to master:

I hate bullies.

I hold grudges.

I have absolutely no sense of proportion.

Deanimator
November 20, 2008, 01:07 PM
Absolutely. Having been pulled over several times (I used to speed a lot. Not anymore) while CCing, I can tell you from personal experience that it depends entirely on the officer. I've had officers who don't care at all. I've had officers let me off the ticket because they appreciated that I let them know I had a weapon. I've had officers who took my gun and ran my serial numbers. I've had officers who called for backup, delayed me for 30 minutes, had me step out of the car and acted as if they were arresting me.

It varies entirely on the officer, but yes. Just having a weapon (regardless of if you say anything about it) can get you a lot of harassment from the police. My advice is to not say anything about it, but they are able to see that you have a CCW permit when they run your plates, before they ever get to your window. Some cops are nice about it, some cops don't care, and some cops will all but place you in handcuffs.
In Ohio, you HAVE to notify if you're carrying. It's the law.

You DON'T have to notify if you're not, although some cops seem to think that you do. If I'm not carrying, I wouldn't notify, PERIOD. The law is what matters, not the cop's whim. If he wants to push it, I'm willing to damage his career and take food out of his kids' mouths. Don't go there and it won't happen.

TIMC
November 20, 2008, 01:11 PM
As far as the police are concerned I have found I have been treated much better by law enforcement when stopped and they find out I have a CHL. I noticed they are more relaxed and less likely to give me a ticket. The three times I was stopped for speeding (yes shame on me) I was given a warning 2 out of 3 times.

Juna
November 20, 2008, 08:55 PM
If you're even remotely thinking about getting a CCW, do it. Obama opposes CCW openly and wants to pass federal legislation to ban it like it's banned in IL. Maybe he won't be able to, but if ever there were a time when the stars were aligned enough for him to do it, it is now.

Get your CCW now so you're grandfathered in (at least until it expires).

The current political landscape that's coming in January makes me realize we're long overdue for a revolution.

TRGRHPY
November 21, 2008, 03:17 AM
Target of Bad Guys? Oh, yeah...especially in Ohio, where the Legislature has NOT closed the Media Access to CCW License Holder Records Loophole. i.e. "The MainScream Media" can AND DOES publish lists of CCW License holders.



Why would they do that, what's the point of it? It seems to present a danger to those who carry the possibility of a criminal breaking into their home and trying to steal a firearm. Wouldn't they hold some responsibility if that were to happen? Are they just trying to get a rise out of the cc community? Just my .02, but it would seem wise not to piss off people with guns.:D Shouldn't that be a fifth rule of firearm safety?

clevland11
November 21, 2008, 06:12 PM
Thanks for the input everybody. I did the right thing, and as of 2:30 pm today I am licensed to carry a firearm. Although I am still a bit anxious about actually carrying, I believe I will warm up to the idea. Thanks again and stay safe.

jkittle99
November 21, 2008, 06:46 PM
Don't be anxious. Just be you. I remember the first time I walked into some place carrying after getting my ccw (it was a wal-mart) it made me feel just plain good. I really felt "freedom".

Sinixstar
November 21, 2008, 07:16 PM
I think it all depends on the officer.
Some officers are going to assume that you're an upstanding citizen, and if you jumped through the hoops to get your permit, you're not a threat.
Some officers just don't like to take ANY chances, and seeing that you're CCW - is just a heads up warning to them that you're possibly armed.
Personally, i wouldn't get overly upset if I was pulled over, and a cop prefered to see that I was disarmed during the stop. If they're respectful about it, and they're not giving me a hard time over the simple fact that I was carrying - it's a certainly understandable position to take. These guys don't know who you are, what you're doing, what your mental state is - only that you're armed. I mean hell - the guy who shot up VA Tech was completely 100% legal, but clearly there were some issues there no one was aware of. Being licensed just means you have a much lower probability of flying off the handle, it's not a 100% safety measure though.

Rimmer
November 21, 2008, 07:18 PM
clevland11
I have heard dozens of horror stories on forums like this about citizens getting pulled over by the police and subsequently disarmed and harassed for merely exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Obviously your not talking to an Ohio CCW person. That's BS..... What forums?

Do you feel possessing a CCW makes you more likely to have a problem with the police?

Not based upon the 3 times I've been stopped over the past 4 years. Local Sherriff's dept once, twice by OSHP. Only an uninformed LE would give you a problem. Their computer gives them the CCW info when they run your plate. They know your not a "Bad Guy" before they get out of their car. All three times they let me go with a verbal warning. Once was 55 in a 35 zone.

I was considering getting my CCW but the thought of certain individuals gunning for me is a bit unsettling.
Just pure BS, sorry it just isn't that way in the real world.

Would police see you as a law abiding citizen, or a gun totting madman?

See above.

Walkalong
November 21, 2008, 08:00 PM
No it doesn't.

Ringer
November 21, 2008, 10:30 PM
Twice in the last 5 years or so I have had to disclose to LEO that I was carrying. Once to a local Police dept, once to Deputy Sherrif of Oakland Co. Both times they all but ignored my disclosure and continued with our conversation.

I voted "No".

MT GUNNY
November 21, 2008, 10:37 PM
Never mind, I need to read the whole post before Posting on it!

mongo4567
November 22, 2008, 12:21 AM
State police have all seemed to have a positive change in their demeanor when presented with the permit. They have always been professional, they just seem to relax more. It has actually worked in my favor, I have gotten several warnings for speeding that I'm sure would have been tickets otherwise.

I have had several encounters over the years with inexperienced city police; they seem to be very "jumpy". During a traffic stop I had one take control of my pistol, unload it, and leave it in the back seat after they sent me on my way. During another stop, I had the officer pat me down even after telling him the firearm was in the glovebox...he was obviously a rookie. His sergeant even teased him about patting down a permit holder.

gitnsige
November 22, 2008, 12:42 AM
I was in a car accident yesterday in my business vehicle. The guy I hit had called in the entire fire department and a state trooper was also dispatched. The guy was just setting up his future law suit although there was no damage to his little suv and my car had minor front end damage. When the officer finally arrived he asked us both for our license, reg, and insurance which I had at the ready. My copy of the registration was old so I commented as such but let him know it was current. At no time did my CCW come up and I actually forgot to mention it. I wasn't carrying at the time anyway because I can't get an out of state permit from NY where I regularly travel. When he came back I was cited which I expected as I was at fault, so I asked if I should plead not guilty since i have a clean DMV record (which I would do anyway for any ticket) he stated off the record, court would probably just toss it. My CCW apparently was a non-issue AND the officer was helpful as well. Imagine that.

Zach S
November 22, 2008, 02:43 PM
Based on my experience, a CHP is a "get out of a minor ticket for free" card. Of course, when I get stopped, I conduct myself as a a civilized human being, and I'm sure that helps too. Most of the officers dont seem to care, and I've only been "disarmed" once before I had my CHP. I had the pistol laying in my passenger seat, so he simply had me wait behind my car for my fast driving award.

My CHP was a headache once at a license check. The officer felt that it was PC to search my car for illegal guns:rolleyes: Sat there for an hour. Not much has changed in the town I grew up in.

azhunter122
November 22, 2008, 03:04 PM
All the cops I know have not one problem with guns. Go back east or to California and things will change though!

Thin Black Line
November 22, 2008, 03:25 PM
I was pulled over for speeding many years ago. Cop came up all relaxed and
got my drivers license and reg (plate was in a relative's name). After he
called the info in, he walked back with his holster unsnapped and his hand
resting on his pistol. Stood a bit more to the back and gave me my papers
and ticket with his free hand.

I have been hassled more for political activity regarding Constitutional rights
and weapons rather than the actual CCW under license. This was not done
by local cops trying to make quota during speed traps.

PRM
November 22, 2008, 03:54 PM
As a 30 year veteran LEO, I vote no. I've been reading posts for some time where LEOs are stereotyped as storm troopers who just want to lock people up. I'm not saying there aren't officers out there who are trying to make a name for themselves or fall into an over zealous category. But, the majority of veteran officers are not that stereotype. Its a job and certain people need to be off the street! The majority of contacts with the public, are with law abiding citizens who may have violated the law in some minor way. They deserve to be treated respectfully and where appropriate given a break. Even before CC became legal and was not an issue - the majority of officers I have worked with did not get wrapped around the axel about someone having a gun in their possession unless they were breaking the law or were known trouble makers. Personally, I am an NRA Life Member and very pro-2nd Amendment. I like the idea of law abiding citizens being armed.

denfoote
November 22, 2008, 04:36 PM
"Why the HELL do you think they call it a concealed weapon for God's sake!!!"

Poll answer is NO!!!

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