Almost broke down and cried in the gun store


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Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 04:46 PM
I was at a local gun store over lunch and saw a guy walk in with a fairly new EBR. Looked to be a piston upper with a full rail kit along with an ACOG. I over heard the guy saying he wanted to sell it and asking what he could get for it. The guy behind the counter said $400.00 and the guy agreed to it!!! :what: I had to bite my tongue from yelling out "I'll give you $600.00.

Why don't I ever meet these guys first! :(

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indoorsoccerfrea
November 20, 2008, 04:50 PM
acogs are expensive, not to mention the gun!

dunlop
November 20, 2008, 04:52 PM
i would of said something, thats just crazy
The guy thats was behind the counter is prob shooting it rite now

smee781
November 20, 2008, 04:53 PM
Wow:banghead:

CSestp
November 20, 2008, 04:54 PM
I would have said: "Ill offer $475.00"

Eightball
November 20, 2008, 04:56 PM
Holy......

.....wow. You should've spoken up; you would've either made that guy get his head on straight, or offered something better so that he would get more $$$ and be happy, and you walk off with the deal of the year.

66912
November 20, 2008, 04:57 PM
Cougfan, I am now a Portlander, what gun store was this if you do not mind? I hate to say this but I see a gunshop owner who does this to the uninformed as unethical as someone who takes advantage of an ederly person who seems to not know any better.

takhtakaal
November 20, 2008, 04:57 PM
I wouldn't continue to give a shop like that my business. If they'd rip him off, they'd do the very same to you, too.

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 04:58 PM
i would of said something, thats just crazy
The guy thats was behind the counter is prob shooting it rite now

I thought about that, but the guy behind the counter DID ask the guy what he wanted for it and the guy selling it said "I trust your judgement. Tell me what you'll give me for it.". If I had seen him before he walked in the store I would have bought it right there in the parking lot.

Sinixstar
November 20, 2008, 04:58 PM
I'll never understand in this day and age why people don't do their own research first. Asking the guy behind a glass counter - who's looking to make as much money off of you as possible - what his opinion is... is well...
yea

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 04:59 PM
66912 This was Northwest Armory. I've seen them do some things there before to people that didn't know what they had. Don't think I'll be going back there.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 20, 2008, 05:00 PM
Wow. Yeah, that never happens to me. I *would* have said something, no matter what the repurcussions - would have offered him $500 or $600 - even if it was a FACOG, that's a good deal - man I HOPE it was a facog and not a real one on the package there or the guy got hosed badly - wonder if the store or the individual ended up with it.

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 05:08 PM
PremiumSauces Unfortunately it was a real ACOG. Even if I didn't want to buy it I would have suggested he take it to the gun show this weekend. I bet he could get at least $750.00 for it.

takhtakaal
November 20, 2008, 05:14 PM
How could somebody be in possession of that much rifle (guessing $1,800 to put together, minimum, maybe $2k tops) and take half of what the optic itself goes for?

Doesn't that seem fishy?

f4t9r
November 20, 2008, 05:15 PM
The guy said I trust your opinion and the clerk was still going to rip him off.
I would of spoke up and said its worth alot more then that.
If You wanted it for that kind of deal you should of spoke up. I know shops do not like that but they were screwing the guy who said he trusted them.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 20, 2008, 05:19 PM
Then there's always the possibility that it's stolen, and the gun shop bears the risk of losing it entirely to the owner when/if it is discovered as stolen. I suppose one could make an argument that the shops must lowball excessively to account for this risk. Just today an add in the paper says "Russian sniper rifle [doesn't say what kind], 7.62x54mm, plus 200 rounds ammo, $250" - is that a smokin deal, regardless of which rifle? Yes. Did I call? No, it's TOO good - probably stolen, I thought. Why oh why oh why isn't there a PUBLIC database (website) where one can simply type in a make, model and serial number and discover just simply "yes" or "no" whether the gun is on a stolen gun list???? :mad: :cuss:

BucksDC
November 20, 2008, 05:20 PM
+1 for takhaheel. It was a shady transaction. NO ONE would dump that much money into their AR and sell it for $400. Maybe it was stolen?
At least you would take your ACOG off and get hosed on the rifle.

praharin
November 20, 2008, 05:22 PM
Cougfan2, you are as guilty as the guy behind the counter for not speaking up.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, right?

Sinixstar
November 20, 2008, 05:23 PM
Then there's always the possibility that it's stolen, and the gun shop bears the risk of losing it entirely to the owner when/if it is discovered as stolen. I suppose one could make an argument that the shops must lowball excessively to account for this risk. Just today an add in the paper says "Russian sniper rifle [doesn't say what kind], 7.62x54mm, plus 200 rounds ammo, $250" - is that a smokin deal, regardless of which rifle? Yes. Did I call? No, it's TOO good - probably stolen, I thought. Why oh why oh why isn't there a PUBLIC database (website) where one can simply type in a make, model and serial number and discover just simply "yes" or "no" whether the gun is on a stolen gun list????


Because for something like that to work - you would need a fairly comprehensive database to track said guns. Isn't that one of the things we're kind of opposed to in the first place?
I agree it's a good idea - but how to implement it correctly becomes a bit of a slippery slope...

dunlop
November 20, 2008, 05:31 PM
"i trust your judgement"" WOW ... i really dont like people that arnt honest

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 05:31 PM
praharin Excuse m all to s***, but I am not the world's conscience and the guy agreed to it before i even had a chance to say anything. :fire:

MaterDei
November 20, 2008, 05:41 PM
I don't think that saying something to the guy in the shop would have been any more ethical than what the shop keeper did. As angry as I might have been, that is his place of business and interruption of it would have been, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to get into the gun buying at a discount business place a want ad or open your own shop.

Just my $.02 worth.

dunlop
November 20, 2008, 05:49 PM
u really need to go back and see how much he sells it for now :rolleyes:

highorder
November 20, 2008, 05:52 PM
That rifle was stolen. It had to be.

zombienerd
November 20, 2008, 05:54 PM
ust today an add in the paper says "Russian sniper rifle [doesn't say what kind], 7.62x54mm, plus 200 rounds ammo, $250" - is that a smokin deal, regardless of which rifle? Yes. Did I call? No, it's TOO good - probably stolen, I thought.

Sounds about right for a Mosin... They come in "sniper" trim...

I would have called.

Maelstrom
November 20, 2008, 05:56 PM
There are no victims, only volunteers. If the guy got screwed on the price it's because he allowed himself to be.

66912
November 20, 2008, 05:57 PM
Cougfan....Thanks, this gave me affirmation of my previous questions about NWA.

Sinixstar.....+1, It still amazes me on how some people do not know how to research things on their own.

This was one of two things, A shady deal all around, or Someone is getting hosed due to complacency and relative laziness.

I really do not know, but I am going to stop by this shop and see if they have any of these items for sale. Hey cougfan, isn't there a big gunshow this weekend? They also do quite alot of consignment business on Auction Arms.

crushbup
November 20, 2008, 05:58 PM
Isn't that one of the things we're kind of opposed to in the first place?

I don't think he means a registry of all guns, just the ones reported as stolen. That way everybody keeps their privacy, and one doesn't have to buy blind when it comes to used guns.

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 06:00 PM
66912 Yes. There is a big gun show at the Expo center this weekend. Keaner and I are going. I'm not really looking to buy anything, I just want to see how crazy it gets. :D

gunNoob
November 20, 2008, 06:01 PM
Shop probably turned around and put it up for $1000+

j_charles
November 20, 2008, 06:07 PM
Cougfan, thanks for the heads-up about Northwest. I've been in there before, when I was shopping for my CCW. Brand new to guns at that point (this is just within the last few months), and never really felt quite right about being there.:o I went over to The Gun Broker and they were great. Very helpful and educational (with the right knowledgeable sales staff). The guy even handed a walther directly to my wife without handing it to me first. And all she did was comment on "how pretty" it was. :) Now I know who gets all my business in the future.

ny32182
November 20, 2008, 06:07 PM
2K? maybe if it was a DI gun... remember the ACOG is ballpark $1k just by itself. If it was a piston upper, probably at least 3K in it.

No one who spends $3k+ and countless weeks of waiting on parts to come in on a rifle like that is going to "trust his judgement" and take $400 for it. That thing was either stolen, or, no offense to the OP, seriously mis-identified.

I don't know what I would have done. Not making an offer would have been tough... courtesy to the shop is one thing; thousands of dollars at stake if you move quick is another.

Cougfan2
November 20, 2008, 06:12 PM
That thing was either stolen, or, no offense to the OP, seriously mis-identified.

No offense taken, but even the cheapest AR clone would be worth more than $400.00!

ny32182
November 20, 2008, 06:15 PM
That is true... even a Delton garage build with a fake-cog could probably fetch more than $400 in this market.

alsaqr
November 20, 2008, 06:24 PM
Do not assume that there is a low price on a gun because the gun is stolen. Was working in Reno a few years ago and picked up the morning paper at about 3:30 am. Saw an ad that shocked me out of my socks. Woke the person up, went by a casino, cashed my pay check and bought her inherited guns:

A like new 6.5X54 Steyr Mannlicher with scope for $250.
A Belgian Browning light 12 auto for $200.
An artillery Luger for $450.

The lady just wanted to get rid of those awful guns. Even gave her $250 for waking her up so early. The lady lived on a fantastic estate and it was obvious she was not hurting for money.

guninthewater
November 20, 2008, 06:48 PM
+1 on the gun potentially being from an estate. Knowing that I'm "into" guns, a fair number of people have approached me asking the value of guns they've inherited, be it from their father, uncle, brother, etc.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 20, 2008, 07:01 PM
I don't think that saying something to the guy in the shop would have been any more ethical than what the shop keeper did. As angry as I might have been, that is his place of business and interruption of it would have been, in my opinion, wrong. If you want to get into the gun buying at a discount business place a want ad or open your own shop.

Hmmm, that may be the right view actually - it's certainly *A* valid viewpoint - I'll have to think about that one. The counter argument is that it's fair game because if they don't like customers snatching their deals away from other customers, then they should set up their shop in such a way as to deal with customers one at a time, in a sound-proof private setting. If they do, then you cannot hear the offer and intervene, but at the same time, the seller is on *some* sort of fair notice that a shafting may be about to occur - otherwise, why would this guy need to talk to me in private?

mljdeckard
November 20, 2008, 07:43 PM
Selling an AR NOW, when the rest of the world is trying to BUY them, is in itself an act of desperation. Guys in the pawn business (at least the successful ones,) have made their living talking you into selling things you wanted to keep at one time. If the guy behind the counter smelled the desperation on this guy, or already had a history with him, he knew exactly where to hit him, and apparently it worked. The guy should have done better homework.

Any commodity in any market is worth whatever you can get for it. (Are you sure he wasn't getting a loan on it?)

JImbothefiveth
November 20, 2008, 07:48 PM
is that a smokin deal, regardless of which rifle?
Isn't that a little much for a Mosin Nagant? Maybe if it's scoped that's not the case.

66912
November 20, 2008, 07:51 PM
+1 for The Gunbroker, Remember though, they are all in it to make money. Especially while the market is in it's current state. As I understand, profit margins in this industry are normally quite low.
Do not get me wrong, I love a good deal, but I loath unscrupulous dealers and sellers.

benEzra
November 20, 2008, 09:12 PM
He may have lost his job and been very hard up for cash.

I once pawned a stainless Ruger mini-14 Ranch Rifle for $125 for gas money to take my son to a medical appointment at Duke. Yes, it was worth WAY more than $125, but I needed the money badly and was over a barrel. (And yes, I bought it back as soon as I got paid.)

But in the case above, the guy says "I trust you, make me a fair offer" and the gunshop guy offers him a QUARTER of what it's worth? As someone else mentioned upthread, that was seriously taking advantage of the guy. I don't like that, and like others have said, I'd shop somewhere else in the future (or at least avoid that employee like the plague).

And BTW, pawn shops, gun shops that take trades, etc. run all guns that come into the shop against a national database of stolen guns, and report any matches (and the people that brought them in) to the authorities.

anymanusa
November 20, 2008, 09:36 PM
DAYUM!!! I would have had to say something. I would've bought it, ACOG alone for $400.

Stupid guy.

kcmarine
November 20, 2008, 10:34 PM
Sounds like we might have an ATF guy coming in there...

GarandOwner
November 20, 2008, 10:49 PM
I don't know what I would have done. Not making an offer would have been tough... courtesy to the shop is one thing; thousands of dollars at stake if you move quick is another.

Courtesy to the shop would be the least of my concerns if someone was being taken advantage of. If they were making a fair offer is one thing, then I wouldnt interupt, but if someone was getting hosed, I would speak up.

Now you will never get the BEST price trading something in, gunshops cant give people the amount something is worth because then they couldnt resell it and make a profit. But if the rifle was what the OP claims it was, then it wasnt a fair trade in I would kindly ASK the seller if I could see the gun as it is one I am interested in and might make them a better offer, then take it from there.

Of course, maybe the rifle/scppe was mis identified, maybe it wasnt, maybe since the economy is in the crapper right now, the guy was taking whatever he could get so he could put food on the table, drastic times cause us to take drastic measures.

Ratshooter
November 20, 2008, 10:57 PM
I'm surprised you guys are so upset about this deal. Pawn shops f**k people like this everyday. Most items in a pawn shop have a 300% markup. If its priced for $300 it a safe bet they gave a $100 for it.

I bet the guy needed money and needed it right now. I've seen this before in gunshops.

I have a friend that is allways buying guns and then getting in a pinch and pawning them off. He never calls me or his brother to see if we want to buy them. I guess he's imbarrassed to say he needs the money.

My wife has an uppity cousin that came in a pawn shop I was in one day. She was pawning some jewelry and damn near died when I went up and said hello. She's busted. But her secrets safe. I understand about being broke. Been there.

madcratebuilder
November 20, 2008, 10:58 PM
Something sounds fishy, I know those guys very well. I well ask about it. I have always felt they had some honesty, always straight with me, I have gotten some killer deals from them.

Ratshooter
November 20, 2008, 11:02 PM
I forgot to add that if the economy keeps going to hell you may see a lot more deals like this. Probably from people that panic bought ARs because they might be banned and never even took them out to shoot them.

jpwilly
November 20, 2008, 11:03 PM
Even if it were stolen they could remove the ACOG sell it for $700+ and Upper and sell it for $400 them or remove the parts from the lower reinstall in stripped reciever etc etc. So many ways.

savage116
November 20, 2008, 11:10 PM
If it wasn't stolen and the guy actually bought it previously wouldn't he have a general idea of what they are worth.Unless it was given to him by a family member.

ugaarguy
November 20, 2008, 11:14 PM
I was at a local gun store over lunch and saw a guy walk in with a fairly new EBR. Looked to be a piston upper with a full rail kit along with an ACOG. I over heard the guy saying he wanted to sell it and asking what he could get for it.
Did you ask to look at the weapon after the purchase was completed? Was it really an ACOG? Was it really a piston upper? Who made the quad rail? We need specifics.
No offense taken, but even the cheapest AR clone would be worth more than $400.00!
That would be inline for used wholesale value on a Century, Hesse/Vulcan, or cast receiver Olympic with a Barska or NcStar ACOG look alike sight, and cheap UTG quad rail. There are too many variables in AR manufacture, accessories, and optics to pass any judgment on value without knowing exactly what each component was. Last, the guy agreed to the price; no one forced him to sell it to the shop.

jerkface11
November 21, 2008, 12:06 AM
Maybe it was Airsoft.

moewadle
November 21, 2008, 12:09 AM
is that three of you have stated you should have said something while the deal was being. Let me say that if you had said something you would walking on very sticky ground. You are in the business of someone else who is trying to make a living buying and selling. You are really being unethical, if not dishonest, to interfere with business being done on premises where you are only a guest, so to speak. I could even see the possibility of a person being sued if you disrupted a deal that had a potential of lots and lots of money. So, before you put your mouth in gear make sure your brain is engaged at a time like that. There is a pretty big latitude for a dealer to be within his/her legal rights to offer as little or as much as he wants.(I have a legal right to offer you $5 for a $20 gold coin if I want because maybe that is only how much I am willing to pay.) After all, the seller does not have to accept the offer and the seller has some personal responsibility to determine what the item is worth TO HIMSELF. And, if you think the dealer is being crooked, why are you even willing to set foot in his place???

jackdanson
November 21, 2008, 12:27 AM
I could even see the possibility of a person being sued if you disrupted a deal that had a potential of lots and lots of money.

How? You can say what you want. The owner can ask you to leave for saying it, but I would have offered him something for it.

Or better yet I would immediately offer the gun store owner %15-%20 over what he paid.. He can take it, make a little cash, and everyone leaves happy. Or he can be a ripoff and say he's going to sell it on a %200 markup in front of the guy who sold it to him.

Infidel Cowboy
November 21, 2008, 12:59 AM
If it was stolen, keeping the ACOG would still be possession of stolen property.

moewadle
November 21, 2008, 01:02 AM
but you cannot necessarily say what you want in our legal system if it causes "damages" to others. If you said something and disrupted a profit for the dealer by opening your mouth in his place of business I am guessing a case could be made for a legal action to collect damages from you. You cannot always say what you want. Have you ever heard of slander and libel? Do you think you can legally yell, "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire? Think about it.

Frog48
November 21, 2008, 01:19 AM
Olympic with a Barska or NcStar ACOG look alike

Exactly what I was thinking.

Ignition Override
November 21, 2008, 01:37 AM
Guninthewater:

There is something called "Craigslist", maybe a local market like EBay.

Well, a really nice person has an ad to help you correctly dispose of ammo or guns, possibly by destroying them.
Part of the ad said "....swords to plowshares".

He might be fooling a lot of people who are young and inherit something etc.
It seemed really clever and slick.

alsaqr
November 21, 2008, 09:11 AM
I forgot to add that if the economy keeps going to hell you may see a lot more deals like this.


Bingo!!!

People have to buy food.

CajunBass
November 21, 2008, 10:27 AM
I don't see what the problem is. Seller comes in and says he wants to sell it and asks what he can get for it. The buyer responds with an offer. That offer is what it's worth to that buyer at that moment. The seller accepted the offer. Apparently that what it was worth to the seller at that moment.

MAKster
November 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
Assuming the gun is as described and wasn't stolen the seller deserved to get ripped off. Only a fool would sell something without knowing what its worth. Even if he was deperate for cash he could have put it on consignment for $1000 and it would have sold the same day.

takhtakaal
November 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
I don't see what the problem is. Seller comes in and says he wants to sell it and asks what he can get for it. The buyer responds with an offer. That offer is what it's worth to that buyer at that moment. The seller accepted the offer. Apparently that what it was worth to the seller at that moment.

I work with an ethical dealer who routinely offers 60 to 70% of used retail value for whatever comes through the door that might have an appreciable demand. The more likely it is to sell, the better he'll do on a price to the seller. Conversely, if he feels that he might sit on something for a while, he lowers his offer slightly. He's pretty consistent on this, and for this reason, along with his helpfulness and expertise in certain areas, he sees a steady volume of repeat business and word-of-mouth first timers. His is one of the few shops in the area where I don't feel like I have to keep my back to the wall when it comes time to negotiate, and it makes for an enjoyable experience. Moreover, it makes me feel a little better supporting the "little guy," especially when comparing prices on things like ammunition, where he's hard pressed to cut prices to the bone in order to move stock.

jackstinson
November 21, 2008, 11:38 AM
I would have made him an offer on the spot.
I've gotten a couple of good deals at my favorite local shop that way....with the shop's blessing too boot. Heck, the first time two of the shop employees encouraged me make the guy an offer.
The shops I frequent usually only offer about 60%-70% of what they can turn around and sell it for. Otherwise, they don't make a good enough profit to make it worthwhile.
Bear in mind: These shops make plenty of money off me on other guns.

Bubba613
November 21, 2008, 11:56 AM
I've had customers try to get between me and a seller in my shop. I told them to hit the door and not come back.
A gun shop is not a gun show. The seller is there to deal with the shop, not the other customers. It is unethical, and probably illegal to interfere with that transaction.
Now, I have had potential sellers offer me stuff and if I wasn't interested I would turn to the other customers and tell them, I have no interest in this so go ahead if you do. But step outside to make your deals.

Art Eatman
November 21, 2008, 01:26 PM
Looking at the opening post: It is not proper at all for a third party to say boo diddly when a shop owner is involved in a deal. That's one of those things that's just not done, gunshop or gunshow.

Had I been there, I'd have been all over the owner after the deal was done, trying to get it for some price that would be below market but let him make a "fair" profit. Fair in my mind, that is. :)

Separately: By putting it on the 4473, the shop owner would be responsible if the firearm turned out to have been stolen.

Cougfan2
November 21, 2008, 01:40 PM
It is not proper at all for a third party to say boo diddly when a shop owner is involved in a deal. That's one of those things that's just not done, gunshop or gunshow.

That's why I didn't say anything even though I wanted to. Whether I like what he's doing or not it's his business, not mine.

RP88
November 21, 2008, 01:51 PM
It is not proper at all for a third party to say boo diddly when a shop owner is involved in a deal. That's one of those things that's just not done, gunshop or gunshow.

well, it isn't 'proper' to rip off someone for God knows how much money, regardless of whether or not it being the seller's fault. It also isn't proper to price gouge because of a democratic president. But hey, people are doing it anyway, and it sure as hell isn't in the name of good customer service/relationships. If I have the chance to save a buck at the expense of a price-gouger not making a buck, then I guess he's **** outta luck, because i would have said something.

Lucky Strike
November 21, 2008, 03:14 PM
I agree that a shopowner would be certainly right to ask you to leave/ban you from his shop if you interfered with a deal.

But i've been to various gunshops in the area (and also like the gunbroker in the metro area) and would have no problem at all with being banned from NWA for speaking up trying to get the gun with a higher bid

i guess that makes me unethical but i think supremely lowballing (assuming the gun is as the OP describes) someone is unethical as well.

Art Eatman
November 21, 2008, 03:24 PM
"Seller beware" is as valid as "buyer beware". Been that way for several thousand years. Both buyers and sellers are responsible for knowing what the market value is for any sort of item. If somebody is too foolish to think to use the Internet or browse a bookstore copy of Fjestad or equivalent, shame on 'em.

If you disapprove of the way any storekeeper does business, don't go there. Tell your friends so they won't go there.

Bubba613
November 21, 2008, 04:49 PM
i guess that makes me unethical but i think supremely lowballing (assuming the gun is as the OP describes) someone is unethical as well.
But the point is that you're unethical.
+1 on Art's post.
There are all kinds of reasons why someone would take an offer like that: time, convenience, security, etc. Selling your gun to some unknown yayhoo in a shop somewhere could potentially land the seller in trouble.
The offer sounded low but the seller had every right and opportunity to go elsewhere. He chose not to. End of story.

ugaarguy
November 21, 2008, 05:26 PM
well, it isn't 'proper' to rip off someone for God knows how much money, regardless of whether or not it being the seller's fault.
A while back there was a thread in the revolver sub forum where a member found a Smith & Wesson Registered Magnum at a large chain store. The store had misidentified the gun as being a model 10, and priced it accordingly. Was he morally corrupt for buying the gun at 1/5 or less of its market value because the gun store misidentified it? According to your standards of morality he should have told the store what the gun really was, and asked that they reprice it accordingly.


It also isn't proper to price gouge because of a democratic president. Prices have gone up because demand has gone up. If you don't like it then keep voting democrat because they support the socialist price controls you want so badly.
But hey, people are doing it anyway, and it sure as hell isn't in the name of good customer service/relationships.
You don't a clue what you're talking about. Demand skyrocketed and distributors raised prices 25 to 40 percent because they had limited supply. Despite this high demand items are sold out. If you can't understand simple supply-demand economics immigrate to Cuba where you won't have to worry about price fluctuations based upon market conditions.
If I have the chance to save a buck at the expense of a price-gouger not making a buck, then I guess he's **** outta luck, because i would have said something.
Again, go take an Econ class.

benEzra
November 21, 2008, 07:20 PM
A while back there was a thread in the revolver sub forum where a member found a Smith & Wesson Registered Magnum at a large chain store. The store had misidentified the gun as being a model 10, and priced it accordingly. Was he morally corrupt for buying the gun at 1/5 or less of its market value because the gun store misidentified it? According to your standards of morality he should have told the store what the gun really was, and asked that they reprice it accordingly.
If the store manager said "I don't know much about this gun, but I trust you, so make me a fair offer," and you offered him 1/5 of the actual fair price, then I personally would consider that dishonest.

Getting a deal is not unethical. Deceiving someone about the true worth of an item when they are trusting you for a fair answer can be, IMO.

I suppose that means I'd be a lousy businessman.

RippinSVT
November 21, 2008, 07:50 PM
I've seen deals like that a few times. I was in a gun store about a month back and they had a younger kid working behind the counter and I walked in as he was selling a 1923 S-prefix Marlin 39 in AWESOME condition for $300 to some guy who just "wanted a lever-action". I was freaking out since they usually sell for $1000+, maybe $1500 in that condition. I was so pissed.

7.62X25mm
November 21, 2008, 07:58 PM
Gun shop won't give you a penny for the optics mounted on the gun. But they sure as shootin' charge for the optics when they sell it.

ALWAYS take the scope of the gun when you sell, along with slings, bipods, anything else that detaches.

My understanding is that it's UNLAWFUL to buy/sell firearms between private parties in or around (parking lot) a licensed FFL -- gun shows excepted.

sinistr
November 21, 2008, 11:18 PM
a fool and his money....or in this case, a fool and his rifle.acogs hold their value,two minutes on google? i don't feel sorry for this fella.i could never rip someone off like that though.

rust collector
November 21, 2008, 11:19 PM
Heh. Just wondering to myself how many here would pass up a cherry M1 carbine or artillery Luger selling for $75 at a yard sale. Would you really insist on paying 4 to 8 times that price because you knew it was worth it?

Taking advantage of ignorance or indifference is and has been a central theme in property transfers for at least a couple thousand years. Sorry, it's not unethical and you're not a comic book--er, graphic novel superhero sworn to fight evil in all its manifestations.

Anyone who spends (maybe too) much time in a gunshop has seen these deals take place. Most shop owners have paid their dues in learning the trade.

mgregg85
November 22, 2008, 12:24 AM
Wow thats too bad, next time I'd say something to the guy. If not offering to buy it, at least tell him what it is really worth.

nwanoah
December 8, 2008, 02:27 PM
You guys are really looking into this too much. You are also building opinions on something you have wrong information. I am the buyer of the rifle and acog. First off let me say that I have been buying rifles from this customer for 3 years. The rifle was a stripped robinson XCR. The acog was a Tripower. He was paid 1350 for his rifle which is well on the high side when I usually pay 70-75% of retail. He knew this and was using the Tripower as trade on an ACOG, Ta01nsn. This is also on the high side. Anyone feeling stupid yet? We at NWA try our damn best to treat our customers as we would like to be treated. In fact that certain customer is a friend of mine and the last time he came in we didn't even talk about guns, we talked about our kids and how his son is excelling in violin, and how proud he is. You old hags can sit on this site and bitch about how you think certain stores lowball people and are dishonest when you dont even know the diff between a tripower and an ACOG. Maybe you should go to Keith's and think about what you did for 3 hours while you wait to be helped. Come in ti NWA and I bet you cant even get 10 feet in the door without being greeted and helped. Stupid is as stupid does. Sometimes it is what it is!

ny32182
December 8, 2008, 02:44 PM
The members here commented based on the information they had at the time, which as myself and others speculated earlier, was evidently very incorrect.

-It was originally stated this was a piston AR; when you say it was an XCR... that is actually the least relevent bit of wrong information; since those items are closer in value than the following:

-It was stated the guy was selling an ACOG, when you say he was buying one.

-It was stated the guy got paid $4xx, when you say he got paid over 1300.

So, the new revised info sounds fair enough, but that is not what all the comments in this thread were based on. Therefore I think your insults are unwarranted.

Cougfan2
December 8, 2008, 03:09 PM
To Noah at NW Armory. I wanted to publicly apologize to you on this forum. I was obviously mistaken and am very sorry to have besmirched your reputation in any way.

Please forgive my egregious error. It was not intentional, but I must take responsivility for my actions no matter what the intentions were.

Once again. Please accept my humble apology.:(:o

rust collector
December 8, 2008, 08:13 PM
Welcome to THR, Noah. If you read the entire thread, you'll find that not everyone was in on the hangin'. You'll also find a lot more friends if you can refrain from name calling, however justified it may seem.

Yes, talk is cheap and the errornet is not helping. It is good to get the rest of the story, and a good reminder not to go off half cocked.

Good gunshops are a precious commodity. Glad to have you aboard.

nwanoah
December 9, 2008, 01:20 AM
Sorry Guys. When I was told of this thread, I thought i'd see a funny thread, and when I really read into it, I popped. Sorry, My bad. I'm not such a grump if you know me. Oh and you are not old hags, either.

indoorsoccerfrea
December 9, 2008, 01:23 AM
thanks nwanoah, i was shocked to find myself a hag at 19!:neener:

madcratebuilder
December 9, 2008, 10:58 AM
Not everyone took the high road on this thread, that's for sure. I was disappointed to see so many unfounded negative comments about one of the finest gun shops in this area, I know, I've been in all of them. NWA is one of only two I well deal with.

benEzra
December 9, 2008, 11:06 AM
nwanoah, thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding, and my apologies for jumping to conclusions.

nwanoah
December 10, 2008, 02:15 PM
Looks like i need to change my username to unemployed noah. anybody hirin'. Im good at offending people, overthrownig gov'ts, building rifles, make a mean gumbo, watch TV real good, and no, there is nothing i can do about the smell. The only thing i'll miss is Karl's wife! and you too steve!

Art Eatman
December 10, 2008, 05:06 PM
Okay, enuf. :D

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