Pistol grips are for pistols.


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30mag
November 21, 2008, 04:41 PM
So, I got into a debate with a fellow gun-lover the other day about pistol grips on rifles...
He said that pistols grips were for pistols, and I said that they are good on rifles.
Well, he won the debate because I really don't have any idea WHY pistol grips are supposedly good for rifles.

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R.W.Dale
November 21, 2008, 04:45 PM
in my opinion the ergonomics are much more conducive to accuracy with pistol gripped firearms once you get off the bench.

Besides many more stocks than you might realize fit into the category of "pistol grip" even the marin 336 stock is considered a pistol grip design. Tell your buddy that if it isn't straight gripped is stocks are pistol grips as well:neener:

30mag
November 21, 2008, 04:48 PM
Right, but I'm comparing a 336 stock to an AR stock.
What's the advantage?

xd45gaper
November 21, 2008, 04:48 PM
more controlability when you are fireing it in the air like a maniac!!!! lol


no seriously i would say it would be more control during rapid fire sessions, and they scare the crap out of the anti gun crowd

Golden Hound
November 21, 2008, 05:13 PM
So they can be fired from the hip. Because that's they're supposed to be fired, right?

KBintheSLC
November 21, 2008, 05:16 PM
I don't have much of a preference. I think a rifle is still a rifle even without a pistol grip. I have pistol grips on mine because it is what came with the guns.
they scare the crap out of the anti gun crowd
I like 'em for the same reason. Amazing how ignorance works in the human mind.

Shear_stress
November 21, 2008, 05:23 PM
Pistol grips can be more comfortable and allow a shorter trigger reach. They also permit a more straight-lined stock that can reduce muzzle flip. In other words, they're there for reasons other than just pissing liberals off.

The whole "spray firing from the hip" thing has always been a mystery for me. It's much easier to shoot a traditionally-stocked rifle from the hip than one with a pistol grip.

misANTHrope
November 21, 2008, 05:24 PM
Don't you read the Brady alerts? It's to assist in spray-firing from the hip.

Jeez.

plinky
November 21, 2008, 05:30 PM
A pistol grip generally gives better alignment of wrist, hand and trigger. Most pure target rifles have a nearly vertical grip angle for this reason. A good thumbhole stock gives a similar effect.

A pistol grip also allows a more secure hold on the rifle whether firing or carrying.

benEzra
November 21, 2008, 05:42 PM
Pistol grips are more ergonomic for shooting from the shoulder; it puts the wrist in a more natural angle. Shooting a straight-stocked rifle from the shoulder puts the wrist in extreme flexion, hence the "chicken wing" stance.

Most really high-end freestyle target rifles have pistol grips, or other designs that approximate the grip angle of a pistol grip (e.g., thumbhole or extreme Monte Carlo). There are reasons for that.

http://www.potfire.com.au/rlist/ans2013.jpg

http://www.eberlestock.com/2006%20red%20sm.jpg

It has absolutely nothing to do with rapid fire (Bradyite BS to the contrary); those rifles are both bolt-actions.

For a defensive long gun, pistol grips also have the advantage of better retention from most positions, and safer operation (position sul is easy with a pistol gripped carbine but rather difficult with a straight stocked carbine). From an LEO via instructor John Farnam:

24Oct05

On serious gun handling, from a friend and one of our instructors recently returned from New Orleans:

"In New Orleans, it was hot rifles the entire time, both in the field and in garrison. Rifles and pistols were constantly carried and were never unloaded.

(snip)

I, of course, enforced correct gun handling among my guys. The worst examples of poor gun handling were associated with those carrying rifles without pistol grips, like the M14. We work muzzle depressed (low/ready), always.

Non-pistol grip rifles encourage a high/ready carry, or a horizontal carry. Both are unsatisfactory, as the rifle ends up pointed in unsafe directions constantly..."

Pistol grips also make it much easier to "short stock" the rifle, i.e. put the buttstock outside and behind your strong-side shoulder in order to have less sticking out in tight quarters, and adjustable stocks are easier to implement.

H2O MAN
November 21, 2008, 05:44 PM
All of the rifles and shotgun that I shoot have pistol grips :evil:





Traditional stocks are for show, pistol grips are for go.




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30mag
November 21, 2008, 06:09 PM
I have a Rem 1100 that begs to differ.

Kind of Blued
November 21, 2008, 07:03 PM
Here's how I would have explained it.

"Hold your hand out... Ok. Now look at your hand."

Done.

Walkalong
November 21, 2008, 07:05 PM
Evidently, he has never shot one.

Leadhead
November 22, 2008, 04:12 AM
:neener:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/Candown/7615adaptor5.jpg

earlthegoat2
November 22, 2008, 04:34 AM
It is true that pistol grips are more ergonomically friendly but in the case of some hard recoiling rifles and some turkey guns pistol grips are anything but pleasant to have. The pistol grip will recoil right into your hand and can cause major damage to the wrist. In these case the other kind fo pistol grip is preferable (Marlin 336) because this way the stock can slide a little in the hand and offer a sort of buffer. Just have to watch out for that trigger guard.

Swampy
November 22, 2008, 05:22 AM
It has absolutely nothing to do with rapid fire (Bradyite BS to the contrary); those rifles are both bolt-actions.


Ditto.....

Best to all,
Swampy


Garands forever

Crunker1337
November 22, 2008, 11:34 AM
You can control the firearm with one hand.

The handle isn't used as a lever arm, this reduces muzzle rise.

It's more ergonomic.

Onmilo
November 22, 2008, 12:57 PM
I have always considered the term 'pistol grip' to be one of the nomenclature terms anti-gunners come up with to make a firearm appear to be something conjured up with nothing but evil in mind.

Whether it is made in one piece with the shoulder stock or as a seperate piece mounted at some point along the lower receiver, a hand grip is a hand grip, is a hand grip.

possum
November 22, 2008, 02:24 PM
i use them and i have my reasons, if someone else does or dosen't use them that is fine, and up to them, i pick my battles when i am talking to "gun owners".

32winspl
November 22, 2008, 04:09 PM
Maybe you're not interested in lever action rifles, but I like 'em. I have an old straight-stocked Win 94, a newer straight-stocked Marlin 1895M, and a "pistol-grip"-stocked Marlin 1895MR. The grip angle on the MR is easier on my wrist.

CYANIDEGENOCIDE
November 22, 2008, 04:25 PM
A pistol grip you say? is that like "the shoulder thing that goes up"?

peck1234
November 22, 2008, 04:30 PM
:neener:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2lxz7u9.jpg

ds92
November 22, 2008, 04:34 PM
Ask any gun grabber and they'll say that they make the gun more lethal.

the pistol grips obviously must improve bullet performance. and they also necessitate the need of a barrel shroud... you know, the "thing that goes up"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

harmonic
November 22, 2008, 04:40 PM
he won the debate

Really? You didn't do your job, then.

The whole debate re pistol grips on rifles is at the heart of the assault rifle controversy. They're saying a pistol grip has no place on a rifle, therefore you have no business owning a rifle with a pistol grip.

This is what the demonRats said back in '94. This is what some of the demonRats
(hopefully not the majority) will say in '09.

The answer? And the reason it's none of their business?

The second amendment says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

They're trying to infringe on my right.

So here's how the discourse should have gone.

"A pistol grip has no business on a rifle."

"That's none of your business. And stop trying to infringe upon my right to own firearms."

Then you could have done something poetic like sticking him in the eye with a chopstick or something.

My kind of debate.

JImbothefiveth
November 22, 2008, 05:38 PM
Although I don't own any pistol rifles with pistol grips, they must do something good, as they are found on everything from military guns to olympic target rifles.

Still 2 Many Choices!?
November 22, 2008, 11:50 PM
I put a second one on my AR15, ya know, just to make it extra evil:evil: !!
Seriously though, it is more comfortable to shoot off hand with a pistol grip, or off the bench for that matter, IMHO.

I also agree with the poster that said that a traditional stocked rifle is easier to fire from the hip because of the grip angle.

Still 2 Many Choices!?

WardenWolf
November 22, 2008, 11:54 PM
A pistol grip on a rifle makes it easier to handle and support. You can more readily pull it to your shoulder with a vertical grip, and more easily support it when walking around with it because it gives you a grip point in line with the gun's angle. You also save yourself from having to raise your main arm to an elevated position, which reduces fatigue and improves stability.

30mag
November 23, 2008, 01:21 PM
Thanks a lot!

jpwilly
November 23, 2008, 01:41 PM
It's easier to hold and manuver a rifle in and around barriers with a pistol grip. The lethal part of any rifle is the payload not the accessories.

oregonhunter
November 23, 2008, 01:56 PM
Pistol grips without some sort of shoulder piece, like the ones pictured in this thread would lead to poor accuracy.

Leadhead
November 23, 2008, 02:27 PM
Pistol grips without some sort of shoulder piece, like the ones pictured in this thread would lead to poor accuracy.

Yup, it's much easier to aim from the shoulder with a full stock when un supported ....however sitting down with the gun supported off shooting sticks and my elbows resting on my legs it's pretty easy to hold steady and the recoil from a 223 is quite easy to handle.

As far as the original post, it's all about ergonomics and what type of shooting you are doing!

I like choices and options in life...:)

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