[Futo Inu]

sans any license? Mosin-Nagant 91/30 - are some of these "non-guns"? (I would think so, since 1891 precedes 1898). Any of them decent? Any other options? Me no like transfer fees and paperwork.

[telewinz]

IIRC the Model 1893 or 1895 Mauser Bolt action, they have that third locking lug, just like the model 1898.

[max popenker]

Original 1885 Hi-wall or 1886 lever gun, if you have enough of $$$ :cool:

[MonkeyMan]

96 Swede Mauser if you can find one dated that far back.

[Greg L]

Mosin-Nagant 91/30 - are some of these "non-guns"? (I would think so, since 1891 precedes 1898).

The 30 in 91/30 is for 1930. The 91/30 series of rifles were an updating of the 1891 series. However most of the 1891 series were made in the early 1900's (I think). If you could find a rifle dated before 1898 you should be alright (however that is a thing to check carefully before just accepting my word on it ;) ).

Greg

[MonkeyMan]

Greg L, the date on the receiver is what's important to the Booze, Butts, Bullets, and Bombs Boyz. I've seen M-91's, 91-30's, 38's, 39's, and 44's with receiver dates older than 1898.

[RON in PA]

Mauser models prior to the 98 do not have the third locking lug.

[telewinz]

Sorry, my mistake only the 1895 Chilean had the 3rd locking lug, not the 93'. The Swedish 94 and 96 would be good choices because of their superior steel.

[oldfart]

The '93 Mauser would be my choice. If the barrel just happened to be a piece of dog doo-doo, so much the better. You'd get it at a good price and then you could put a brand new surplus 7X57 barrel on it. That makes a very fine combination.

[Quartus]

Gatling gun. Any caliber.



:D

[Beetle Bailey]

You can get a Finn M39 Mosin Nagant with an old Russian receiver. They sometimes have them at gunsnammo.com

[c_yeager]

Are you sure that its just the date on the reciever that matters? I know that a rifle will no longer qualify as a C&R if its been "modufied". I cant imagine ANY 91/30 or M44 qualifying as a non-gun regardless of when the reciever dates to.

[Dave Markowitz]

Are you sure that its just the date on the reciever that matters? I know that a rifle will no longer qualify as a C&R if its been "modufied". I cant imagine ANY 91/30 or M44 qualifying as a non-gun regardless of when the reciever dates to.

The M1944s and M91/30s qualify as C&Rs even if they are post-1898. If one was made on a pre-98 receiver, that was done by the Soviets, not by Joe Bubba who sporterized it. So it's still a C&R.

[goon]

There are some Finnish M-39s that were built on recievers that old.

[curt]

1873 Springfield Trapdoor

[Reason]

Are these pre-1898 Mosins safe to fire with full-house surplus and Wolf loads?

[Beetle Bailey]

At www.gunsnammo.com if you go to the M39 section and scroll to the bottom they actually have an "unissued" B-barrel M39 built on an old Russian receiver that you can buy directly as long as you are not a fugitive from justice, five-year-old kid, etc. :D . I think the funny thing is since it's unissued by the Finnish armory, all the furniture and the barrel should be mint, but since the receiver originally came from a MN 91, (the Finns took and re-used captured weapons and their parts) you can get a pretty nice looking gun in the mail. But hey, why not get a C&R license? Unless you are absolutely against the idea, it's a great way to get stuff shipped directly to you.

Reason, if I got that unissued B-barrel, I would definately take it to my local gunsmith to ask his opinion, but I already have a B-barrel and I think she would get jealous if I went out and got another :rolleyes:

[gun-fucious]

in some states have a further qualifications:

heres marylands:

(c) "Antique firearm" means:
(1) Any firearm (including any firearm with a
matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar
type of ignition system) manufactured in or
before 1898; and
(2) Any replica of any firearm described in
paragraph (1) of this subsection if such replica:
(i) Is not designed or redesigned for using
rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammuni-
tion, or
(ii) Uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
fixed ammunition which is no longer manufac-
tured in the United States and which is not readi-
ly available in the ordinary channels of commer-
cial trade.

[4v50 Gary]

Another vote for the Gatling. Just don't attach a fan belt to the handle and you'll be doing OK.