[firepacer12]

I got this from my grandfather after he pasted Don't know what it is i looked for it on line all it has on it is St.Etienne M1892 MD

[MMCSRET]

Calibre 8MM Lebel. Sporterized French military rifle of the late 19th and early 20th century.

[catfish101]

What caliber is it?

One of the picks you had was a different gun.

[MrBorland]

Here's a link to what I presume is it's predecessor, the Model 1886. Interesting that it "was the first rifle designed to use smokeless gunpowder."

At any rate, the pics ought to give some idea of what the stock originally looked like.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20francaise/artisans%20k%20l/a%20lebel%20gb.htm

[firepacer12]

it is the original all numbers match through out rifle from stock to bolt

[firepacer12]

some more pics

[bthest86]

More specifically it's a Lebel M1892 "Artillery Musketoon"/Gendarmerie "Short Rifle"

Unfortunately Bubba'd of course.

[firepacer12]

How much is it worth approx. I know i should take it to an appraser but want to know if it is worth it.

[Jim K]

There is not much collector interest and then only if in good shape, which that one obviously is not. The ammunition is not available (AFAIK) on the commercial market, though it was once made by Remington, and even surplus ammo (FMJ) is scarce.

Those guns sell pretty much as curios and to a few fglks who like to study the action. Value is around $100-150, retail, not what a dealer will pay for it.

Jim

[max popenker]

it is not a Lebel! it is a butched French Berthier m1892rifle or carbine, original caliber 8x50R

[Z71]

Yes,it's a French Manlicher Berthier.

Chambered in 8mm Lebel, the first smokeless powder cartridge adopted as a military cartridge in the 1880's(1886 maybe?). The cartridge looks like a .30-30 that needs to go on a diet!

To be a repeater, the rifle/carbine would need either a 3 shot or 5 shot Berthier clip. That rifle being a 3 shot version, although the 5 shot clip would work(but with 3 shots).

France changed the specs on the cartridge a few times, and some stuff floating around called "ball N" may be too hot for an older gun not modified for the hotter Ball N ammo.

I have an 07/15 long rifle version thats 3 shot too. Mine is not marked for Ball N ammo. However I have forgotten just what the barrel stamping should be to denote the gun has been modified for the hotter round.