Wa state alert: Seattle mayor will ban guns


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Dave Workman
November 22, 2008, 05:24 PM
Advisory Only:

Seattle, WA Mayor Greg Nickels has announced that he will — in defiance of an advisory opinion from the attorney general that says he can't — enact a ban on legally-carried, concealed handguns on city property (parks, the Seattle Center, etc)

This is an attempt to break state preemption, which has been on the books for more than 20 years, perhaps 25, and is the model for many other state preemption laws.

If you live in Washington and visit Seattle occasionally or live there, a PUBLIC HEARING on this proposal is scheduled December 15 at 6:30 p.m. at City Hall in Seattle.

NOTICE ALSO:
Written comments can be submitted at http://seattle.gov/firearmsrule/


PLEASE: If you submit written comments, be polite, brief, and stay on message.

Article 1, Section 24 of the WA State Constitution notes:

The Right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired..."

The State Preemption statute is RCW 9.41.290

Consult also RCW 9.41.300

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harmonic
November 22, 2008, 05:32 PM
Just curious, but is this rat a native born Washingtonian, or did he come from somewhere else?

I ask, cause a lot of formerly nice metropolitan areas have been absolutely contaminated by transplants.

PBinWA
November 22, 2008, 05:40 PM
Comment sent. Hope it helps. With the current batch of elected officials in this state we are going to be seeing a lot of this.

armoredman
November 22, 2008, 06:39 PM
So, if the state Attorney General has stated that this law would be illegal, then I would assume it would have no force at all, and be null and void at enactment?

expvideo
November 22, 2008, 06:52 PM
State law allows private property owners to prohibit the presence of firearms on their property. As a property owner, the City has rules at Seattle Center and most city facilities such as City Hall prohibiting firearms unless a person has a concealed weapons permit. Organizations that lease Key Arena also have the ability to prohibit firearms in the facility.

City lands are not "private" property. They are public property. This is because the city is not a person or a corporation, but a public entity.

I will ignore this illegal law and continue to carry my weapon. I'm not researching it right this moment, but what the Mayor is doing is a crime and he should be arrested for it. Enacting an illegal law and trying to stop me from carrying a gun is itself illegal. He should be arrested and tried on this law. I'll research it later.

ETA: OK, fine. I researched it. What the mayor is doing is a violation of both state law:

RCW 9A.80.010
Official misconduct.

(1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct if, with intent to obtain a benefit or to deprive another person of a lawful right or privilege:

(a) He intentionally commits an unauthorized act under color of law; or

(b) He intentionally refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law.

(2) Official misconduct is a gross misdemeanor.

and federal law:

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

JEL
November 22, 2008, 08:52 PM
Just curious, but is this rat a native born Washingtonian, or did he come from somewhere else? He's not a Wa native. Not too surprising here, but he's from Chicago, IL.....

David904
November 22, 2008, 10:19 PM
Cripes... They're like a disease.

wep45
November 22, 2008, 10:25 PM
:eek: get your citizens to ban together now and impeach the S.O.B. :D then buy a one way grey hound ticket and ship his sorry ass back to daly world:evil:

t3rmin
November 23, 2008, 12:53 AM
Tyrant. No better way to describe somebody like that.

TheFringe
November 23, 2008, 04:30 AM
Slightly off topic but ironic nonetheless:
Recently a lady was babysitting 10 kids including one of her own near the fountain area in the Seattle Center grounds. A security guard approached and informed her that "the naked bicyclists will be passin by here shortly, and you may want to take the young kids elsewhere if you or they are sensitive to that kind of thing." Thinking they would just be riding by, she felt no need to relocate, and not being an uptight-type thought the kids may actually get a laugh out of it.

Well it turns out the bicyclists stopped near the fountain and jumped in with the kids, all the while shakin and struttin their stuff if you get my drift. Most of the bicyclist's genitalia had been painted bright colors to highlight their equipment. The woman and kids began to grow uncomfortable with the raucousness of this group and their gratuitous flaunting right in front of several 5-10 year old startled children. The woman asked the security guard to send them along, and he informed her that it is perfectly legal for them to be nude in the Seattle Center and he could do nothing. The lady then called the Mayor's office and got the SAME RESPONSE ! There were not even any signs posted announcing this 'event' so that those who don't condone this behaviour could choose not to be present.

Now I am a long-haired Rock musician and have nothing against nudists or nudist colonies as long as they are not out to flaunt the behaviour for shock value, but rather truly prefer this lifestyle in their own homes/property or designated areas where it will not come as a shock or surprise to view people in the buff.

Heck of a message the mayor is sending here: It's okay to display EXPOSED genitalia in the Seattle Center, but not okay to carry a legally CONCEALED firearm.

NavyLCDR
November 23, 2008, 06:55 AM
Probably nobody in the mayor's office will read it or give a rat's behind about it, but I sent it anyway, via the website:

Dear Mayor Nickels,

I find it appalling that you would seek to limit legal behavior conducted by the most law abiding populations in the nation: both concealed pistol permit holders and those who choose to exercise their Federal and Washington state constitutionally protected rights to arm themselves for self defense by legally carrying a firearm openly.

Your proposed admistrative rule will do nothing to hinder criminals from carrying their weapons and will do nothing to enhance their sentences simply due to the fact that the rule is in violation of RCW 9.41.290.

In fact, your action opens yourself to criminal prosecution for official misduct under RCW 9A.80.010 and 18 USC 242.

Sir, if you choose to enact this administrative rule and attempt to enforce it, I sincerely hope that the above state and Federal statutes are also enforced and prosecution subsequently sought after.

Very Respecfully,
John H....

Xhairs
November 23, 2008, 09:27 AM
Cripes... They're like a disease.

More like a fungus.

Letters sent.

NavyLCDR
November 23, 2008, 09:52 AM
Cripes... They're like a disease.

More like a fungus.

VD. The more they screw people, the further it spreads.

ar10
November 23, 2008, 10:14 AM
City of Clyde OH tried that and appealed. It ended up in the Ohio SP. Guess what Clyde LOST.

armoredman
November 23, 2008, 10:45 AM
I hopt this individual is tried by a jury of his peers, and gets to spend some quality time with his favorite constituents, behind bars.

BBQLS1
November 23, 2008, 12:42 PM
It would be good if the folks of Seattle would legally remove the mayor from office. It would be a good message for mayors like this in the country.

MagnumDweeb
November 23, 2008, 12:51 PM
There are some days I want to step off the 'highroad' and say some expletive riddled rants. I'm guessing I'm not the only person who thinks that some folks from Chicago should have never been allowed to leave Chicago. I know two good south(as in Florida) loving Chicago refugees at my gym and they stopped going back to visit family five years ago because it has gotten so bad.

It may not be highroad so administrator feel free to delete if you think so but folks from Chicago, the state of California, Boston, Detroit, New York City, New Jersey, should have to take a test before they are allowed to leave. If they are way to the left liberal anti-2nd Amendment(Anti-BOAs) then they can't leave, if they want to get out of the people's paradise of liberal-world and respect the 2nd-Amendment and don't want to spread the infection then they can be allowed to leave. If they go back on their word then a permit can be issued for their capture and thrown back. Of course this is all a joke...for now...today....we'll have to see what the future holds.

sailortoo
November 23, 2008, 03:15 PM
Message sent. I'm in NM now, but hold a Wash. state CPL, and have family in the (crime ridden) Seattle area - so it does impact me, even though an out of state person. The arrogance of the attempt is what burns me - we little folk are supposed to follow his "law", but he isn't interested in following established state law! I kind of hope he pulls it off, so the next step is an indictment of "His Honor".
sailortoo

mgregg85
November 23, 2008, 03:46 PM
The mayor sounds like a jerk who is just doing this for publicity and he will be wasting loads of his city's money trying to defend his illegal actions.

TheFringe
November 23, 2008, 04:11 PM
Interesting that the mayor had no comment on this incident from 2 years ago:

".......According to Seattle police, Culotti assaulted a man in Westlake Plaza shortly after 11 a.m. Saturday in what is believed to be an unprovoked attack.

The victim of the attack, identified by police as a 52-year-old man, pulled out a .357-caliber revolver and fired one round, striking Culotti in the abdomen. Culotti later died.

The 52-year-old had a concealed-weapons license and was in legal possession of the handgun, police said. He was questioned by police after the shooting and later released.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20061011&slug=shooting11m

In this case the attacker, while high on crack and 'just turning his life around' approached the random victim, then in front of many witnesses during the busy downtown lunch hour loudly exclaimed "I'm going to KILL you.." The prison-hardened punk then proceeds to pummel the hapless passerby to the ground and does not stop. Victim pulls his legally carried revolver and ends the attack with one shot just before passing out.

It should also be noted that just a few weeks ago, a well known and beloved Seattle street performer (The Tuba Man) was beat to death by a pack of 'urban' thugs for his pocket change. The gentleman was performing in an area that could be considered Seattle city property which straddles the Seattle Center. This victim did not carry and sadly paid the price. Also last year a young female green-cause activist was randomly murdered in the early evening hours just outside her apartment by a knife-wielding, psychotic madman. Her screams went ignored in this liberal East Seattle neighborhood. Maybe if these folks had been carrying they would still be alive today like the victim of the first attack outlined above.

The mayor had no comments following these incidents either.

JEL
November 23, 2008, 04:21 PM
It would be good if the folks of Seattle would legally remove the mayor from office. It would be a good message for mayors like this in the country.
It would be great to see good old Greg out of the Mayor's office in Seattle, but unfortunately I think he'll get a lot of support up here becuase the area is so far left.

I've lived here all my life and every time something like this happens it's pretty easy to get a read on the local's opinions via "in-depth" news coverage, 9 out of 10 would support anti-gun legislation. In fact, just yesterday as the holiday shopping season is getting ramped up, there was a mall shooting at Southcenter mall, the largest in the area. More fuel to the fire...

MD_Willington
November 23, 2008, 05:08 PM
AG should have him arrested by the State Patrol.

armoredman
November 23, 2008, 06:45 PM
You'd think! Conspiracy to commit a crime, to begin with!

twoclones
November 23, 2008, 07:14 PM
I sent this to our Governor via her new website:

Governor Gregoire,

As a citizen of Washington State, I am deeply concerned at the "Firearms Rule" to ban guns from city properites being pushed by the Mayor of Seattle. I do hope that if he signs any such legislation, you will have an arrest warrant issued for and press charges against Mayor Greg Nickels.

45Frank
November 23, 2008, 08:36 PM
Does anyone know why these people who dislike where they lived move to other areas and implement laws they didn't like where they came from ?:banghead:


Just curious, but is this rat a native born Washingtonian, or did he come from somewhere else?
He's not a Wa native. Not too surprising here, but he's from Chicago, IL.....

expvideo
November 24, 2008, 10:03 AM
I sent this to our Governor via her new website:

Governor Gregoire,

As a citizen of Washington State, I am deeply concerned at the "Firearms Rule" to ban guns from city properites being pushed by the Mayor of Seattle. I do hope that if he signs any such legislation, you will have an arrest warrant issued for and press charges against Mayor Greg Nickels.

ROFL,
The only bigger commie in this state than Greg Nickels is Christine Gregoire. Email the AG.

NWGunner
November 24, 2008, 10:56 AM
In response to the OP, do you think we would be ill-advised to exercise the rights afforded to us with our Concealed Pistol Licenses at the Dec. 15th meeting?

I'm wary of the near-do-wells that seem to flourish in the downtown area and NEVER go down there unarmed.


Maybe we could have this all figured out if someone could get Mayor Nickels to an IDPA match?

expvideo
November 24, 2008, 11:17 AM
I am writing to ask for your help. I am a concerned citizen who has just learned of mayor Nickels's plan to ban the legal possession of weapons on Seattle City Property, under the guise of "private property". There are some fundamental problems with this thinking. Obviously cities are not allowed to create their own gun laws under state pre-emption, and I know that you have issued an AG Opinion regarding this, which Greg Nickels is ignoring. But equally important is the fact that Mayor Nickels considers city property to be private property! The city is not a private entity like a corporation, but a public entity, making city lands (such as Seattle Center) public property, not private property. I fear that I will be arrested for exercising rights that are protected under the federal and state constitutions. Such abuse of power and blatent tyrany should not be accepted. I should not be punished and prosecuted under illegal legislation. Depriving me of my rights is a serious crime, and Greg Nickels is very guilty of it. His actions in passing this executive decision are not only illegal under state law, but also under federal law. I feel helpless in the matter and would ask that you please intervene and have mayor Nickels arrested under the following laws:

RCW 9A.80.010
Official misconduct.

(1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct if, with intent to obtain a benefit or to deprive another person of a lawful right or privilege:

(a) He intentionally commits an unauthorized act under color of law; or

(b) He intentionally refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law.

(2) Official misconduct is a gross misdemeanor.


TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.




Thank you for your help and for taking this matter seriously.

Email sent to the Attorney General.

MD_Willington
November 24, 2008, 11:54 AM
Whats the AG's mailing address... letter campaign is what we need to do using the above.

expvideo
November 24, 2008, 12:16 PM
Go to the AG's site. It has options for online, phone and mail.

Jefferson Herb
November 25, 2008, 12:48 AM
Hey Dweeb,Does thinking that F Marcos in PI should have suffered more help me pass? Or Martial law is unacceptable?Or how about that I would like to see californicate split ?
I would love to see the state of Jefferson become a reality,where we take back our water and timber.
I know it won't happen so I'll be a transplant someday[5-7 yrs]and I prommis,where ever I go;I won't try to change what I found with dumb ca thoughts!!

JoeFish
November 25, 2008, 01:51 AM
I'm new here, so I'm sorry if this is too off-topic, but I would counsel you not to think of California as a single thing or idea. Being the third largest state, with the largest economy and 37 million people, there is no such thing as a typical Californian. In addition to Los Angeles and San Francisco, we grow most of the food produced in this country and have thousands of small towns in and around over a hundred thousand square miles of National Park and open wilderness.

I own handguns, rifles and shotguns, and use them to hunt feather and fur all across this great state, not to mention their use for personal protection.

As for Seattle, if the governments of densely populated areas feel the need to have different laws about guns than rural areas, they should enlist the help of gun advocates to find legal, constitutional solutions that work for everyone, rather than a lot of chest-pounding for votes from the station wagon crowd.

NWGunner, if I can offer my two cents, I would say it's better not to go to the hearing packing if the law has already been enacted. Even an unconstitutional law is a law until it's struck down. And even though time and posterity may be on your side, is it really worth the hassle of getting arrested?

If you're concerned about the area you're going into, bring the pepper spray that night.

Byron Quick
November 25, 2008, 01:57 AM
Guys, I'm not current on exactly how Washington's exemption law reads.

However, Georgia has an exemption law and we have municipalities trying to ban licensed concealed carry in city parks.

A state grassroots RKBA organization- Georgiacarry.org had to take the municipalities to court to stop it. Georgiacarry.org won the cases but I don't think our preemption statute carries any penalties against municipalities that violate it. I'd be surprised if Washington's does.

To the Washingtonians who have stated they will carry in defiance of the ban. Be prepared to be arrested and charged if you are discovered. To prevail, be prepared to file a lawsuit.

expvideo
November 25, 2008, 09:45 AM
To the Washingtonians who have stated they will carry in defiance of the ban. Be prepared to be arrested and charged if you are discovered. To prevail, be prepared to file a lawsuit.


The ban is defiant, not my carrying. Washington state restricts the right to control firearms, and does not allow cities, counties or anyone else to make gun laws. That way the law of the land is the law of the land, and you don't have to know the municipal codes of Tacoma and Seattle, just to drive down I-5.

Kentak
November 25, 2008, 11:11 AM
but what the Mayor is doing is a crime and he should be arrested for it. Enacting an illegal law and trying to stop me from carrying a gun is itself illegal. He should be arrested and tried on this law.

Respectfully, get a grip. A public official trying to enact what may or may not be an "illegal" law is not an arrestable offense, if an offense at all. It simply becomes a matter of the law being challenged in court to determine its legal status.

I bet you can't cite a single case where a mayor or other official has been arrested for trying to pass a law.

However, if this law does pass, I would urge you to be in civil disobedience of the law, be arrested, challenge the legality of the law, and be a hero to the gun community.

K

coltrane59
November 25, 2008, 11:52 AM
Thanks for the heads up...on my calendar. I'd like to be there if possible.

JoeFish
November 25, 2008, 01:30 PM
Respectfully, get a grip.

I have to second that. The attorney general, regardless of their stance on the law, is not about to arrest a sitting mayor for passing a city ordinance. We are all entitled to our opinions, but one of the ways we lose ground in hearts and minds in this country is by appearing too extreme. (And this comes from the guy who initially bought a gun because if I didn't then the government would be the only people with guns.)

foghornl
November 25, 2008, 01:48 PM
Ohio also has 'pre-emption', but as ar10 pointed out, City of Clyde tried banning CCW in city parks and got a major smackdown from the Ohio Supreme Court. O-DOT is having to take down their "No Guns" signs from Ohio rest stops, too.

Cleveland Mayor Hizzoner "Li'l Frankie Jackson" has filed suit to have the pre-emption overturned, but AFAIK right now, that has done nothing except spend a bunch of money the City of Cleveland could use in sooooo many other areas.

expvideo
November 25, 2008, 01:48 PM
It is a crime. Any enforcement of this law would be a federal offense. I listed the laws. It's called a "color of law" violation and it's very serious. The fact that you think public officials can do whatever they want without consiquence is a problem. The fact that I have to go and get arrested and pay a lot of money to an attorney to get this "law" removed is also a problem. And "color of law" is a very real thing. It's not extremism. I've cited two very clear laws that have rather severe penalties for this exact kind of action. Enforcing the law is not extremism. Asking for the law to be enforced is not me needing to "get a grip".

cobra2411
November 25, 2008, 02:20 PM
PUBLIC HEARING on this proposal is scheduled December 15

What a coincidence... On that day in 1791 our bill of rights was ratified...

Someone should stage a "bill of rights" party in the parking lot... :)

JoeFish
November 25, 2008, 03:08 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that these laws are right, constitutional or even have legs, but the simple fact is that- in this country, at least not right now- no government official is going to be arrested or jailed for the kind of offense we're talking about.

And I disagree that getting arrested and fighting for overturn afterwards is the best way to fight this. I'm no stranger to political activism or facing the penalties of law enforcement for said activism, but when people get arrested intentionally to overturn a law, 3 times out of 5 they have the legal team assembled already- the arrest is a formality of the process. If someone is a local NRA official (or has deep pockets) and wants to start that kind of process, that's a whole different thing from an individual getting arrested, and then having to fight his way out on his own.

Edit- and for the record, I don't think elected officials can do whatever they want; I'm just pointing to the realities of how the system works.

MD_Willington
November 25, 2008, 05:01 PM
expvideo, i plagiarized your letter above into two forms, one for WA State residents and one for visitors to WA State, they are in PDF form and I will post them here after work.

Once they are loaded it would be nice if every member of this forum (I know pipe dream) would fill out and send the appropriate letter to the WA State AG... how many members do we have here?

71808 members, not sure if all are active, but it would be nice if even half of those sent a letter to the AG...

Some one would have to pay attention to over 35,000 letters.

Upriver
November 25, 2008, 05:59 PM
Folks,

From the AG's website - how to report an elected official regarding malfeasance (see below):

Under RCW 43.09.260, the Attorney General's Office is authorized to take action in a matter if an audit examination by the Auditor's Office discloses malfeasance, misfeasance or nonfeasance on the part of a public officer or employee. Concerns of this nature should be directed to the State Auditor's Office at:

http://www.sao.wa.gov/Hotline/default.htm,

which reviews operations of state and local agencies to ensure that public funds are spent and accounted for in accordance with the law.

malfeasance (from wiki):

The West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals summarized a number of the definitions of malfeasance in office applied by various appellate courts in the United States.

“ Malfeasance has been defined by appellate courts in other jurisdictions as a wrongful act which the actor has no legal right to do; as any wrongful conduct which affects, interrupts or interferes with the performance of official duty; as an act for which there is no authority or warrant of law; as an act which a person ought not to do; as an act which is wholly wrongful and unlawful; as that which an officer has no authority to do and is positively wrong or unlawful; and as the unjust performance of some act which the party performing it has no right, or has contracted no, to do. ”
—Daugherty v. Ellis, 142 W. Va. 340, 357-8, 97 S.E.2d 33, 42-3 (W. Va. 1956) (internal citations omitted).

The court then went on to use yet another definition, "malfeasance is the doing of an act which an officer had no legal right to do at all and that when an officer, through ignorance, inattention, or malice, does that which they have no legal right to do at all, or acts without any authority whatsoever, or exceeds, ignores, or abuses their powers, they are guilty of malfeasance."


Let's continue to encourage the AG to go after him, under the state's legal system.

Regards,

U

MD_Willington
November 25, 2008, 09:44 PM
Here are the letters, please fill them out and send them to the AG.

MD

MD_Willington
November 26, 2008, 01:07 PM
Realized I messed up the other two documents, use these instead.

jbauch357
November 26, 2008, 04:08 PM
I sent these out to a bunch of people here at MS - hopefully the message spreads and quite a few letters end up being sent.

Did piss off a bunch of the anti's :rolleyes:

MD_Willington
November 26, 2008, 08:49 PM
Cool.

I have sent emails to non members, most are friends outside WA State that do visit Seattle and they do carry. Those friends are contacting their friends that visit Seattle too.

I mailed my letter today.

I hope the AG lays the smack on the Mayor...

Diamondback6
November 26, 2008, 09:49 PM
Thanks, MD. Could "false arrest" be construed as "kidnapping" in the eyes of 18USC242?

Kentak
November 27, 2008, 12:51 AM
It is a crime. Any enforcement of this law would be a federal offense. I listed the laws. It's called a "color of law" violation and it's very serious. The fact that you think public officials can do whatever they want without consiquence is a problem. The fact that I have to go and get arrested and pay a lot of money to an attorney to get this "law" removed is also a problem. And "color of law" is a very real thing. It's not extremism. I've cited two very clear laws that have rather severe penalties for this exact kind of action. Enforcing the law is not extremism. Asking for the law to be enforced is not me needing to "get a grip".

Are you a lawyer? Your tagline says no, and it shows.

You are wrong in the way you are interpreting the laws you cited. No, I'm not a lawyer either, so I guess that makes it my opinion against yours. And, where did I say I think a public official can do whatever they want without consequence? It is not a crime for a public official to try to enact an illegal law that hasn't even been declared illegal yet. When that happens, people challenge the law in court.

Name ONE instance where a public official was arrested for either trying to pass a law or enforcing a duly enacted law.

K

Kentak
November 27, 2008, 12:59 AM
BTW, an AG's advisory opinion, is just that, an opinion. It is not a directive with the force of law, like a court order. The mayor can say, thanks for your opinion, I'll take it into consideration, and then do what he wants. It seems the AG, in this case, opined that enacting a ban wouldn't stand a legal challenge, and the ban would be overturned--in the AG's opinion. It might, it might not. But, *enacting* the ban isn't a crime. Enforcing the ban isn't a crime either, unless and until the ban is overturned by a court with jurisdiction.

K

sailortoo
November 27, 2008, 01:01 AM
For some reason, THR will not allow me to access the PDF letters to the Wash AG office. I don't get it, but I have already sent one to Hizzoner.
sailortoo

MD_Willington
November 27, 2008, 02:50 AM
hmm, that sucks you can't get them, let me try these in .doc form.

Of course you should proof read these for grammar etc first

Pussywillow
December 4, 2008, 03:57 AM
First, don't think that the Mayor of Seattle nor the city council give a hoot about the rights of anyone... least of all gun owners. They are concerned about the "rights" of criminals & nerdowells because the appearence of mistreatment to those individuals will paint them with a dark brush in front of their peers in cities like Chicago, San Francisco & Boston. That is their priority.

Everyone who lives here knows this already... or they are in deep, deep denial. People seem perfectly happy to suffer under what Greg Nickels perceives as perfection. His goal is for Seattle to become a "major city". I assume from his actions in office that this means he has an expectation of the crime rate reaching epidemic porportions & for the citizens to be utterly defensless.

I'm currently attempting ot gather info on just how many buildings & properties the city actually owns. It's much more expansive than people think it is.

expvideo
December 4, 2008, 08:10 PM
The AG's assistant wrote me a letter in response to that email I sent. Of course the AG will not be arresting Mayor Nickels, and said that if this was a crime, it would be handled by the local police department, not the AG.

shooter429
December 4, 2008, 11:46 PM
Sadly, if he does this, he will force otherwise law-abiding gun owners to choose between life and liberty or jail. Not very good. I think there will be a backlash, but unfortunatly, scum like him will not be affected.

Shooter429

expvideo
December 5, 2008, 03:13 AM
Seattle Police aren't going to arrest the Seattle mayor. Color of Law is a federal crime. Hmmm..

HeavenlySword
December 5, 2008, 03:20 PM
hahas imagine the FBI storming into his office

"You can't do this!"
"We are, we have, we will. Do not challenge the Constitution."

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