Interesting permanent super lube metal treatment


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Sam Adams
November 24, 2008, 12:13 PM
I came across this and thought that it'd be interesting for anyone who has ever lubed a gun, or worried about not doing so well enough.

This is not available now, but it is more slippery than Teflon and is permanent: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16102-material-slicker-than-teflon-discovered-by-accident.html

Anyone with any knowledge about this stuff? Is it suitable for guns (I don't see why not)?

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The Bushmaster
November 24, 2008, 02:17 PM
Ooops...Let me look...Nooo...The wheel isn't broke yet...I'll continue using what I've been using most of my life, thank you...

tkkr
November 24, 2008, 03:05 PM
Looks like it would be a great coating for barrels.

Sam Adams
November 24, 2008, 04:17 PM
Ooops...Let me look...Nooo...The wheel isn't broke yet...I'll continue using what I've been using most of my life, thank you...

Let me guess, you only own muzzle-loaders. No? Then why do you want anything more modern when the old stuff ain't broke?

Come on, what would be wrong with a gun that didn't need lubrication? Not that it is out there yet, but what'd be wrong with it?

The Bushmaster
November 24, 2008, 04:25 PM
You're right, Sam Adams. I do have guns that may be older then you still in operation and shooting 3 round groups of 1 5/8" at 100 yards (1948-49 Winchester .30 WCF mod 94) All it's seen is a little artilary grease on the bolt rails and Hoppe's #9 gun oil on the other moving parts. It takes very little time out of my life to do this service to my firearms and on top of all that, a good inspection to boot...My newest aquasition? A Kimber UCC II that I purchased 2 months ago. It sees artilary grease on the slide rails and Hoppe's #9 on the rest of the moving parts...

Without having to lube the firearm I wonder what else will be neglected...

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 24, 2008, 04:27 PM
I don't know about you, bushmaster, but if I could get parts coated in this stuff, I would.

Did you miss the part where the friction coefficient is .16 for lubricated steel, and this new stuff is .02?

That means your guns will last longer.

which means the wheel will take longer to break :)

Sinixstar
November 24, 2008, 04:30 PM
The problem I have with it is one simple word. "Permanent". What happens when 10 years from now, you come to find out that there is a problem with your permanent solution, and it is in fact causing more problems then it's fixing? What then?

tkaction
November 24, 2008, 04:37 PM
I am familliar with this and used its sister "cerflon"(almost the same stuff)
Smith and Wesson has a dry lube spray with it in it. It is a whole lot slicker than oil and permanenty adheres to metal. I fixed my SKS trigger pull with it to the point where gunsmithing is no longer necessary. Test show it slicker than moly disulfide.

The Bushmaster
November 24, 2008, 05:33 PM
DAVIDSDIVAD. I've had that Winchester 94 sense I was 18 (it was old when I bought it). I'll be 66 in a month. I have a feeling that my grand daughter (who wants it) will give it to her children. It's not wearing out very fast. It gets premium care when it's not hunting. I have a 1911 Colt that I bought in 1990 and have shot the hell out of it and it's doing fine.

And I agree with Sinixstar...And it's the reason I have never bought a Glock. They have too many problems and I still haven't seen one that has ran as long as my 1966 Colt SAA .357 magnum second generation (I use plain ol' Hoppe's #9 in it and its also doing fine).

I have noticed that Moly coated bullets are not as popular as they used to be...Must be a reason...I'll wait for a few (maybe 10 or so) years before I might try thatproduct...

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 24, 2008, 06:21 PM
Well, I use Hoppe's on my 1911 as well.
I'm just saying, if something will do the job much better, being sarcastic and stubborn for obstinacy's sake just plain doesn't make sense.

Not trying to force this newfangled whatsit on you, just saying maybe be a little more open to stuff.


I use Militec 1 to lubricate my guns, and it says to re-lube every two thousand rounds or so.
Guess what: I still lubricate after every cleaning, and even put some oil after the militec is applied.

I don't see why you couldn't put Hoppe's on top of the stuff in the original post, either.

NeoSpud
November 24, 2008, 06:44 PM
I'll wait for a few (maybe 10 or so) years before I might try thatproduct...
That's not a terrible idea (I won't be first in line for the Bushy ACR, either... I'll wait for the second round or so, after the kinks have been worked out), but I'd be careful not to throw out the idea entirely. CLP, for example, is some pretty good stuff, and in the big scheme of things it's pretty new.

I mean, when Hoppes 9 was first invented, weren't there people who said pretty much exactly what you're said in #2?

JonF
November 24, 2008, 07:16 PM
Its slipperiness is also not entirely understood. Although Russell says the best theory is that the boron interacts with oxygen to make tiny amounts of boron oxide on its surface. They would attract water molecules from the air, to make a slippery coating.

Although there seems to be some unknown yet in this compound, the theory above geive me pause to use it in any device susceptible to rusting/oxidation. If indeed it does turn out that it attracts water molecules from the air to form a boundary layer to fill in the gaps, you may not want to use this on steel.

moooose102
November 24, 2008, 09:16 PM
well, for as little wear as there really is on firearms, other than the bore itself, or the actions on semi-auto 22's, i really wouldnt worry much about special high tech coatings for them. now, if it was proven to tripple the life on a target rifle barrel, it may be a worthwhile investment for a competition shooter. other than that, i am sure it would be way to expensive to be cost effective on a standard firearm to be worthwhile. and at the cost of a new 22 rifle, it probably would not be cost effective there either. for MOST of us, one will last a lifetime. yes, we may have to replace an extractor, or some other $10-20 dollar part. but really, they are pretty durable.

qajaq59
November 25, 2008, 05:17 AM
We have a guy that frequently test fires a fully automatic rifle at the county range where I shoot. Supposedly it will require no lube at all in order to work better in sandy desert environments.

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