Colt New Agent w/Sights


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GDW
November 24, 2008, 04:38 PM
This past summer I purchased a Colt New Agent for my CCW. It shoots great and is rock solid reliable; however, I could not shoot very accurately nor consistently. So I thought about selling it and picking up a Defender. But because it was so reliable I decided to just hang on to it and add sights. Lew Bonitz at Grizzly Custom Guns added the sights and filled in the trench. It shoots great and I can now consistently shoot tight groups…quickly. For me, it’s much better.

See a couple of posts below for the pictures.

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Mad Magyar
November 24, 2008, 05:09 PM
My buddy just purchased one and he brags about it all the time to the point of nauseum...Hope you get the pics worked out to view your pistol.:)

GDW
November 24, 2008, 05:20 PM
I was hoping to be able to display the image vs. add an attachment and I think I figured it out. Let's try this:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=88214&d=1227564998

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=88213&d=1227564977

skt239
November 24, 2008, 07:47 PM
I'm dying to see a new agent with sights but i cant! Your pics are not working...

Mad Magyar
November 25, 2008, 10:28 AM
Here is GDW's nice looking New Agent! I WANT ONE!
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/veritas2369/NA1.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/veritas2369/NA2.jpg

ZeBool
November 25, 2008, 11:05 AM
It's like a blued Defender. That's awesome!

The Lone Haranguer
November 25, 2008, 01:35 PM
How was the "trench" filled in?

GDW
November 25, 2008, 02:38 PM
It was filled in with a piece of rolled steel that fit the slot and then silver soldered. Initially Lew emailed me a picture of the slide in the white after they had soldered the piece and I was surprised at how nice it looked. IMO it looks better with the trench filled in. We toyed with the idea of milling the top of the slide flat (after filling in the trench), but decided not to.

JDGray
November 25, 2008, 07:24 PM
Looks great! Almost had me one, but grabed a Kimber UCII, instead. I like sights:)

krs
November 26, 2008, 10:54 AM
I have a New Agent and figured out that the "trough" was more or less useless to me, most likely because of my long ingrained need to see a sight picture when aiming a pistol.

I practiced a lot at short range trying to get the hang of Colt's intentions using the supplied 'aiming guide' but I kept shooting low whenever I tried to work up some speed. I joked and called it a great pistol for shooting short bad guys, or my kneecap blaster.

But then one day I realized that I didn't need to aim the pistol at all, at least not in the usual sense. If I concentrate on my intended point of impact and let my arm/hand point naturally there as if I had no pistol, release the shot as my pointing came to where I was looking the shot hit where I looked or close to it. It was a return to a Zen experience, something I hadn't practiced since giving up martial arts years ago.

I continued to practice this way - something like leading ducks on the fly with a shotgun, another sport I hadn't engaged in in many years, and I remembered a technique taught to me and all of us young troopers in basic training in 1967.

The army called it "Quick Kill" at the time and it was taught us with Daisy b-b guns. I have no idea if they still train for the method but it's pretty much what you do if firing on full auto as the M16's of the day could do. We didn't have 'burst' mode.

They started us out paired off - one guy with the b-b gun the other to toss a white disc (seems like it was a 6" disc) in the air. The shooter was to swing the gun up and hit the disc on the fly. As I recall we all got good at that pretty quickly, because it sort of comes naturally. As the day progressed they switched us to a smaller disc, about 2" if I remember, and everyone got good at that even quicker than the first disc, I guess because everyone was getting the idea. Seems like the army was satisfied with the 2" disc, but most of us pulled out quarters and were hitting those easily. Then dimes, and the tosser would start trying to make it harder by throwing high, low, or at an angle away. Just about all of us were hitting dimes with just about every shot, and my buddie and I got to the point where we could each reliably hit anothe b-b tossed in the air. I know that a lot of the other guys in that platoon were hitting b-b's too, it really wasn't much harder to do than hitting the discs if we let our thinking stay out of it. I remember that part of basic as one of the most fun days I had there, although before it was over, about the fifth week I was thinking that it was all fun. I don't hear a lot of people say that they enjoyed basic training but I did, once I figured out that I was getting stronger and better from it.

So.......although for a while I did consider putting sights on my New Agent I like it fine now and think it's probably the most efficient fighting gun I own. I usually don't carry it but I have it nearby in a little kit I made up of gun and nine loaded mags. I also put a cut down rightside safety on mine and trimmed the leftside lever down almost flat because I'm a southpaw. It's not a pretty pistol but it is a deadly one if needed. I can hit with it from any pistol distance by looking, pointing and squeezing off shots, almost without giving it conscious thought.

I'm pretty sure now that this is what Colt had in mind for it's use and they gave us one of the best combat pistols or carry pistols available when they thunk it up.

And.....there's always Crimson Trace...:D

Mad Magyar
November 26, 2008, 11:14 AM
And.....there's always Crimson Trace
Oh, no..a "solution to a non-existent problem"...:D

GDW
November 26, 2008, 12:32 PM
KRS,

I probably should have practiced more and would have got the hang of it and would have grown confident with it. What did it for me was a IDPA match where I fired off about 3 magazines trying to hit some iron pop-down targets (I acutally ran out of ammo trying to hit those things). I must have been shooting high because I eventually lowered my POA and hit the target. But that's when I said, "enough". Now I am very confident that I will hit what I aim at - quickly. Plus, this thing is 100 percent reliable.

Lew Bonitz does great work and is a pleasure to work with. He built a 1* for me that is my fav. He builds marvelous lever guns and a nice shotgun too (www.grizzlycustomguns.com).

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

krs
November 26, 2008, 01:33 PM
GDW, I'm asking this because I don't know the answer, not to imply any sort of attitude about the choices you've made....is there a point advantage in using a pistol like the New Agent in any of the competitive shooting activities, whether IDPA or another discipline?

The only competitive shooting I've done was a near ten year participation in Bullseye pistol shooting, and in that an accurate pistol is desirable, even more so than a reliable one.

It seems to me that in most of the sports you use equipment that's suited to the endeavor. I'm sure that a New Agent would be amongst the last things anyone would chose to shoot a bullseye match because in that sport there was no allowance or handicapping given for using less capable pistols. There was a classification system designed to allow less experienced or skilled shooters to be competitive in a respective class though, so you've made me wonder if in the 'speed' shooting events a short pistol, or a particular caliber brings any sort of advantage when chosen to shoot the events?

I mean, what made you shoot a New Agent in a match?

I can support your statements about the reliability of the New Agent, in spades. I really didn't expect that a short bull barreled 1911 design would be as reliable as mine has been. I've fired well over 2000 rounds through it now and it's never, but never hiccoughed. Mostly I practice with relatively soft loads too, my target 200 gr LSWC over 4.6 gr. of bullseye, because that's what I've got tons of laid in. The pistol works the same with light loads, service loads, or Corbon +p hollowpoints. The only difference is the felt recoil.

JDGray
November 26, 2008, 02:56 PM
I mean, what made you shoot a New Agent in a match?


If you want to be proficiant with your carry gun, I can't think of a better way:)

Too many people will fire off a box of ammo, flat footed, taking time to aim, and call it good. Others want to practice under stress, and use it as a defensive weapon, to be prepared for real life threats. I fall somewhere in between:D

GDW
November 26, 2008, 03:08 PM
KRS,

Good questions and I detected no "attitude". JDGray hit the nail on the head. I use the IDPA format as practice. And I practice what I carry. IDPA is not a bulleye match but there is a point advantage to accuracy. IDPA is a point and speed scoring system, with more emphasis on accuracy. Scenerios are all different but usually involve at least two shots and sometimes 3 (2 center of mass - preferably the "A" zone - and one head shot). Who was it that said, "Speed is good but accuracy is final."? Sometimes I shoot my DAO S&W 442 at IDPA for the practice too - because I carry it.

Dan-O
November 26, 2008, 09:47 PM
Do you mind me asking how much the custom work was? I have one too, and wish I would have just got the Defender.

GDW
November 27, 2008, 02:08 PM
Dan-O, I was thinking the same thing...I wish I bought the Defender. But two things kept me from trading in or selling: 1) The NA is flawless and I was a bit apprehensive to trade it in for something that may not function as well (probably would be fine, but still...); and 2) I like the blued look and the slide. I figured I'd end up loosing money on the deal and just decided to bite the bullet. It'll run you around $300 ($125 or so for filling in and soldering the slide and another $150 or so for the sight work - and of course you can specify sight options). I have Novaks on another pistol and am used to them and like them. I chose the one with the wide cut in the rear. You can probably tell from the photo that I added a short trigger too. Works better for me.

XavierBreath
November 27, 2008, 03:47 PM
Very nice GDW!

I like. Thanks for posting this.

welshrabbit
November 27, 2008, 05:40 PM
I'm sorry to be ignorant but what is the difference between the New Agent and the Defender? Does Colt make a reliable model like that, which has sights? Can one place an ambi safety on it?

XavierBreath
November 27, 2008, 07:38 PM
Both the New Agent and Defender are lightweight framed, bushingless, three inch 1911s from Colt. Both are reliable.

The Defender (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/11/colt-defender.html) is stainless steel and aluminum with conventional low profile sights.

The New Agent (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/colt-new-agent-range-report.html) is blued with a blackened aluminum frame and a "gutter sight" running longitudinally down the slide.

An ambi-safety can be placed on either pistol.

Mad Magyar
November 27, 2008, 07:59 PM
three inch 1911s from Colt. Both are reliable.


You do realize how 1911 Tuner views "shorties"...:D
And, there is the adage you read so often, "If John M. Browning wanted a 3" barrel he would have made one"..:)

GDW
November 27, 2008, 08:31 PM
"I absolutely disagree with those that say say a short 1911 is unreliable."
CT Brian

http://ctbrian.com/SideWinder.html

CT Brian's personal carry piece is a highly customized 3 inch Kimber. Don't know about anyone else's experience with short 1911's but mine have been excellent. I would not carry it otherwise.

MICHAEL T
November 27, 2008, 08:38 PM
I have both and their very relieable . As are my 2 Officers and my old Detonics .
I KNOW 1911 TUNER DOESN'T LIKE THEM One of the few thing I disagree with him on.
Only Compact I ever had trouble with was a Para It was a true single shot pistol and factory rework didn't help. Well a little some times it would shoot twice.

XavierBreath
November 27, 2008, 08:43 PM
You do realize how 1911 Tuner views "shorties"...
I sure do. I know 1911 Tuner well.

Tuner's opinion does not change the fact that both of these pistols have an across the board enviable track record for reliability for any 1911, including Government Models and Tuner's beloved M1911A1.

I own one of each. My New Agent passed 2000 rounds in June. Not one failure. My Defender is at 1200 rounds now. Not one failure. This is with 230 hardball and 230 Federal HydraShoks.

Ol' 1911 Tuner is a guru for certain, no denying that. There isn't any denying the track record of these two pistols either. I believe most of what I see, and occasionally something I hear if it has supporting evidence. A bit of research online will reveal the track record of these two pistols. I've shot them both myself. I'm believing what I see concerning them.

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