Tube mag, lever action .308?


AJ Dual
September 19, 2003, 01:32 PM
I remember hearing about one a ways back but can't remember the maker or the model. I brought it up in a rifle discussion at work, but I couldn't back it up with the exact name.

IIRC, to get away with having a tubular magazine and pointy spitzer bullets, it had some sort of spiral groove inside that made the bullet tips offset from the primers in front of it so it would be safe from chain fire.

Browning, Remington, Savage?...

Any takers?

Thanks in advance.

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Dave Markowitz
September 19, 2003, 03:01 PM
Sounds like the old Remington Model 14 and/or 141. I don't recall them being made in .308, but they may have been made in .300 Savage.

September 19, 2003, 08:51 PM
I know remington used to make a rifle similar to the one you are describing, but I can't recall it being produced in .308.

September 19, 2003, 09:13 PM
The only one I know of is the Remington, and I don't remember it being made in .308 or .300 sav.:)

September 19, 2003, 09:14 PM
Oh Ya, and the Remington wasn't a lever either?:D

Mike Irwin
September 19, 2003, 10:07 PM
Browning has made the BLR in .308, but that's a box magazine.

Savage made various iterations of the 99 in .308, but with either a rotary magazine or a box magazine.

Winchester made the 88, but that was a box magazine.

Sako made the.... the... Finnwolf? in .308, but again, I believe that was a box magazine.

Probably the closest was Winchesters Model 94 Angle Eject, which was made in a rimmed version of the .308, the .307 Winchester. Never very popular, and no longer in production. It did have a tubular magazine, but wasn't for use with spitzer bullets.

The pump-action Remington Model 14 was never made in .300 Savage, to the best of my knowledge. It used a magazine with spiral grooves in it that kept the bullet from hitting the primer of the round in front of it.

Even so, though, I don't think any of the Remington rounds for which the 14 was chambered, .25, .30, .32, or .35, was ever factory loaded with spitzer bullets...

September 19, 2003, 11:00 PM
actually i would have SWORN the that the pic i saw of this (an a cut-away of the loaded mag tube, showing the tipped attitude of the rounds) labeled it as a Winchester of some sort. but it has been a LOOOONG time since i saw that picture.

Dave R
September 19, 2003, 11:27 PM
Ummmm, I think the predecessor to the .308Win was the .307 Win, which had the same case dimensions, but also had a rim and flat-point be used in a tubular magazine in lever-action rifles. Just can't remember which rifle(s).

Dave Markowitz
September 20, 2003, 03:38 PM
Nope. The .308 is based on a shortened .30-06. It was inspired by the .300 Savage. The .307 Winchester is a rimmed version of the .308. The .307 was introduced in the early 1980s for the Winchester 94 "Big Bore". It was never much of a commerical success.

BTW, Mike's right, the Remington Model 14 and 141 were not made in .300 Savage. For some reason I thought they were. The Model 760 was, although it had a box mag.

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