.308, Bolt Rifle, Slow lead bullet, Low Power Scope= Dead Deer???


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35 Whelen
November 25, 2008, 01:28 AM
I posted this on Prem.'s thread, but figgered some folks missed it. Opened the freezer last week and realized we needed some meat. (My wife never tells me when we're low. She just cooks it like it'll never run out!)

So Saturday evening I walked down behind the house and sat down under a mesquite tree. Carried my little "Scout Rifle-ized" FR-8 with a Burris 2.75X Scout Scope loaded with 172 gr. home-cast hollowpoint bullets handloaded with 22 grs. of Alliant 2400 yielding1853 fps. Right at dusk a spike (one of many around here) stepped out at a little over 70 yds. and began a nervous stare-down with me. Rather than wait for him to calm down,(it was getting really dark) I shouldered the rifle, wrapped the sling tightly around my arm, settled the crosshairs at the juncture of his neck and shoulder and squeezed.
At the shot he gave to his shoulder, whirled around and disappeared in the mesquite and chaparral bush. I thought sure he'd be laying behind the closest bush, but no buck. I looked until dark thirty with no luck. Finally walked to the house and got a flashlight and "Dolly" my young Border Collie. She's not a hunter by any stretch, but I've seen her wind (smell) deer when we're out walking, so I thought she might help. So off we went, with me telling her "get him Dolly, go get him." Sure enough, after 10 minutes or so of looking, I heard her barking off in the disatnce like she does when she's found something. Made my way through the brush and there she was, standing over my buck! (For those who've never been around Border Collies, the intellegence of this breed of dog is mind boggling)
He'd run in a direction opposite of what I though he had and in fact probably hadn't gone even 50 yards. At this writing, he's skinned and hanging in the shop for the beginning of two weeks of aging, afterwhich he'll be processed.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/DollyandBuck.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/BuckScout1.jpg

Entrance hole (betcha can't see it!):

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Hollowpointentrance.jpg

Internal damage (bullet travel, right to left) This bullet impacted the buck at a little over 1600 fps. Broke three ribs going in and two going out. And people think they need magnums with big scopes!!
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Bulletdamageribcage.jpg

Exit hole.


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Exithole.jpg

Is this amazing or what? No semi-auto rifle with a high-cap magazine, no magnum cartridge, no high magnification variable scope, no fancy jacketed bullet with a plastic...errr..."polymer" tip, yet I still managed to kill a deer! And that's not the least of it. My daughter, beginning at the age of 11 killed her first three deer, all with one shot with this same rig and load, the furthest of which was 110 yds. distance.

This rifle, despite not being very "kewl" is my go-to deer rifle. With a load running a 150 gr. Core-Lokt 2700 fps has killed as many or more deer than any of my other rifles. I own plenty of other centerfire rifles that are more powerful and sport larger scopes, but I've found this little rig will do about 90% of what I need to do!
35W

35W.

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Ridgerunner665
November 25, 2008, 02:04 AM
Nice story and good job...

There ain't NOTHING that compares to a good dog. (or a 308)

bgeddes
November 25, 2008, 02:39 AM
Nice deer! Many years ago I took one with a single shot 12ga I bought for $70 new. Apparently it's about shot placement.

Sinixstar
November 25, 2008, 02:44 AM
Nice deer! Many years ago I took one with a single shot 12ga I bought for $70 new. Apparently it's about shot placement.


My first deer was with a super un-cool bow an arrow, from the insane range of maybe 25 yards.
Who knew you could kill a deer at less then 450 yards!
:D

MountainWalk
November 25, 2008, 02:57 AM
Nice write up! Great job on the deer.

35 Whelen
November 25, 2008, 03:50 AM
Well, I owe everyone on this forum an apology. This thread was supposed to be in the HUNTING forum! Sorry guys. Can anyone move it??
35W

Sinixstar
November 25, 2008, 03:58 AM
ha - i think it does alright in rifles too. Fine statement as to the usefulness of particular tools of the trade, and evidence in the "bigger = better" debate. :D

doberman
November 25, 2008, 04:38 AM
Why move it? It is a perfectly good "rifle country" post IMO.

Also a great example of "less is sometimes more" and "K.I.S.S".

Which I find is VERY "kewl".

*thumbs up*

:)

Ridgerunner665
November 25, 2008, 04:44 AM
It is as much about the rifle as the deer...I'm not a mod but I think it works well where its at.

Jeff F
November 25, 2008, 09:02 AM
Good job. I just started casting bullets for the .303 British last year and have killed one mule deer with one of my bullets so far. Killed that deer just as dead as any factory load could have. I'm becoming a big fan of lead bullets.

Hutch
November 25, 2008, 09:10 AM
Does that bullet expand or just break up the nose on impact? What sort of alloy are you casting?

Sure can't argue with the results....

35 Whelen
November 25, 2008, 09:21 AM
Does that bullet expand or just break up the nose on impact? What sort of alloy are you casting?

The bullet definitely expanded and as far as I can tell, has expanded in every case. The alloy is air-cooled wheelweights (ACWW). I've tested other bullets cast of ACWW and typically they exhibit a BHN of around 13. This picture shows the exit hole and is evidence of expansion:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Hunting/Exitholeskin.jpg

35W

aimbotter
November 25, 2008, 02:44 PM
nice shot.. now try it with a 22 or 17 hmr.. haha.. i'm sure u'lll kill one too although it's illegal..

Wanta B
November 25, 2008, 03:49 PM
WELL DONE!! "K.I.S.S." INDEED, thank you for bringing me back to where it counts.I just responded to a thread dealing with "brush guns",I think this about says it all !! I say keep this thread here.:D

Wanta B

mio
November 25, 2008, 07:28 PM
age for 2 weeks? its rare for me to age a deer past the next morning

Ratshooter
November 25, 2008, 09:13 PM
Nice job 35Whelen. I am thinking about getting a 30 cal mold for my 30-30 loads. What mold are you using? I have 1200 lbs of lead. I need to cast more than I do.

Did you read the Ross Seyfreid article he wrote about making soft nosed hard based lead bullets? He used a small dipper to fill the nose of the bullet mold with pure lead and WW lead for the base. Then they were heat treated. The pure lead won't harden so it expands on impact.

With the load your using it sounds just like a plain ole 30-30 round. It also looks like your getting good ole 30-30 performance that has been the end of so many deer. Good post by the way.

wankerjake
November 25, 2008, 09:48 PM
So Saturday evening I walked down behind the house and sat down under a mesquite tree

Man I can't wait to get out of the city, and hopefully into a state with lots of game and multiple bag limits. Nice job. Enjoy that buck, he's gonna be tasty!

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