Gov't Shutsdown - Tomb of Unknowns Guarded


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Baba Louie
September 19, 2003, 02:48 PM
From Foxnews:

At Arlington National Cemetery, soldiers who guard the Tomb of the Unknowns were given - for the first time ever - permission to abandon their posts and seek shelter, Superintendent John Metzler said. But they stood guard anyhow.

Some things are more important than a Hurricane/Tropical Storm that shut down DC, caused 17 deaths and left 4.5 million without power.

Just a comment

Adios

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El Tejon
September 19, 2003, 02:54 PM
Hooray for them!

Are there any real men left on the East Coast? Yes, at the Tomb of the Unknowns.:)

Baba Louie
September 19, 2003, 02:55 PM
Not just any soldier

http://www.homeofheroes.com/gravesites/unknowns/0_unknowns_sentinels.html

Adios

C.R.Sam
September 19, 2003, 03:38 PM
Goodonem.

Sam

RWK
September 19, 2003, 04:26 PM
I am astonished that permission was given to abandon their sacred responsibility at Arlington (Isabel wasn’t “that bad” – and I live <15 miles from the Cemetery). However, I am completely unsurprised that the members of the Third Infantry did NOT desert their posts.

Good for them. We owe them.

Futo Inu
September 19, 2003, 06:49 PM
"Goodonem"

A hearty AMEN!

Sven
September 19, 2003, 07:42 PM
They still use M14s?

Redlg155
September 19, 2003, 07:46 PM
Yep. I saw an pic of them today on CNN.

I hope they never change to the M16. It just doesn't seem right.

Good Shooting
Red

Ala Dan
September 19, 2003, 08:33 PM
The Old Guard SALUTE ! :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

ReadyontheRight
September 19, 2003, 10:29 PM
:D

Nightcrawler
September 19, 2003, 10:42 PM
I'm hardly suprised. Anyone with the level of dedication it takes to guard the Tomb in the first place probably isn't the type to let a little weather get in his way. Those gentlemen work very, very hard to maintain the dignity of the tomb, after all, and I'm not suprised at all that they'd ride out the storm and stay at their posts.

MPFreeman
September 20, 2003, 12:37 AM
I see two things that are good.

Good #1: The guards actually have a pair.

Good #2: The Federal Government shut down! - Glory, glory, amen.

sm
September 20, 2003, 01:16 AM
" Goodonem"
I agree !

4v50 Gary
September 20, 2003, 08:57 AM
Kudos to the Old Guard. I visited the tomb in winter and was impressed by their dedication. Was told that in the heat of summer, one collasped from heat stroke. :eek:

Erik
September 20, 2003, 11:19 AM
"Goodonem," indeed.

444
September 20, 2003, 11:29 AM
I actually got to go into the guard's barracks back in the early 80's and talk to some of them.
Hardcore seems to be putting it lightly. This was in the month of February and it was snowing. There was a changing of the guard while we were in the barracks. The guard came in, sat down and cleaned his weapon. Then he took off his coat. After spit shining the leather on his uniform he had a cup of coffee. One guy mentioned to me that he did not drive a car because he was afraid he would get a ticket and disgrace the tomb.
Am I surprised they did not abondon their post ?
NOT

I will guard everything within the limits of my post, and quit my post only when properly relieved.

Sisco
September 20, 2003, 12:10 PM
OUTSTANDING!

Blain
September 20, 2003, 12:35 PM
Nice to know that they still use a real rifle, the finest battle rifle ever created, to guard the tomb!

UnknownSailor
September 20, 2003, 04:37 PM
From looking at the pictures, I thought it was an M-1. I wonder if the rifle is still functional, and if they carry rounds for it somewhere....

444
September 20, 2003, 05:15 PM
When I was last there in the early 80s, they were carrying an M14 in a fiberglass stock.
I have no idea about ammo, but I seriously doubt it.

Quartus
September 20, 2003, 05:45 PM
Well done, men!



Man, I didn't even know that duty EXISTED when I was in the Army. I'd have been honored to guard that tomb.

Baba Louie
September 20, 2003, 05:51 PM
Probably not too many Tomb Raiders hanging around Arlington, the souls of those heros buried there would not allow it and most visitors know its one of the truly hallowed grounds (One of, if not THE only, true American Shrine IMO) on American soil.

(and to think that clinton's buddies were willing to sell plots to posers)

But the bayonet would still function perfectly fine if need be.

Adios

cool45auto
September 20, 2003, 08:42 PM
Man, that just makes you feel good about your country doesn't it?:)

MessedUpMike
September 20, 2003, 09:16 PM
Certainly impressive, but who would expect anything less from such a group. When Metro shut down, DC shut down. From what I saw the few people that stayed to do thier jobs did it well (including a packed starbucks). It does sound though that the old gaurd did it best of all. Good for them.

FWIW I believe they still us M-1s as the guns are unloaded and the absense of the mag would look out of place.

dangerousdude
September 20, 2003, 09:17 PM
I don't know M14's make excellent lightning rods, there really not guarding the tomb there more like honoring it and there nothing honorable about a human lightning rod.

444
September 20, 2003, 09:23 PM
Let's put this one to rest: I KNOW they use M14 rifles because 1) I have been there and 2) here is a quote from the link listed above: "As the active sentry nears the conclusion of his walk, a uniformed relief commander enters the plaza to announce the Changing of the Guard. When the sentinel assigned the next walk leaves the guards' quarters, he unlocks the bolt of his M-14 rifle to signify that he is ready to begin the ceremony. The relief commander approaches the tomb, slowly salutes, then faces the visitors and requests silence during the ceremony."

PATH
September 21, 2003, 02:07 AM
Duty and Honor are still srongly held beliefs apparently. Thank God!

abdrdude
September 21, 2003, 02:59 AM
I salute the men of the Old Guard. A heartfelt "Well Done !!!!!!!!!"

madmike
September 21, 2003, 04:09 AM
It shouldn't surprise me, yet it did.

Just a comment...John Ringo portrayed an outstanding scene at the Tomb in "Gust Front." The world overrun, death toll in the millions, an alien wave swarming across Maryland (Who, in the face of alien invasion, FINALLY got concealed carry ;-) ), and the guards at the Tomb awaiting the enemy's pleasure...in dress greens with loaded rifles.

Duty should not be taken lightly.

Moparmike
September 21, 2003, 05:48 AM
OUTSTANDING!

However, I would have offered HMMWV's for them to sit in, because if you are blown away by the wind, then you arent guarding anything. Maybe I am just a pansie.:eek:

feedthehogs
September 21, 2003, 07:27 AM
DD,

True honor has no thought of one's personal safety. They at all times are willing to risk life for another with no hesitation. Whether that individual is dead or alive.

It may be only symbolic, but in a town surrounded by some of the most treasonist polititians, it stands to represent to duty, honor and commitment. Something that has vanished from this nations capital.

VaughnT
September 21, 2003, 07:59 AM
I can honestly say that if I were half the man those guards are, I'd be doing great.

Thank God there are still Americans of that caliber.

ACP
September 21, 2003, 09:20 AM
Are there any real men left on the East Coast? Yes, at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

Yes, El Tejon. Indiana does not have a patent on "real men." Or did you forget 9/11? Dumb statement.

dangerousdude
September 21, 2003, 10:30 AM
http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/jon/sad_50_stars_13_stipes.gif


Putting myself in the unknown soldiers shoes certainly they wouldn't want "America's Finest" killed guarding there dead corps that really doesn't need to be guarded in the land of the Free.http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/navigator/usa.gif

longtom4570
September 21, 2003, 12:09 PM
I read where one Sgt1st class? walked his post for 5/12 hrs so others would not have to,to me that is what a leader is all about:cool: imho

DorGunR
September 21, 2003, 04:41 PM
It does not surprise me that a SFC (E7) would walk guard for some of his men........this SFC was/is an NCO........not a stripe wearer.........there is a big difference........ask any GI or ex GI....they can tell you.:cool:

gryphon
September 21, 2003, 05:45 PM
dangerousdude,

Obviously you don't "get it". That was obvious from the first post you made, you don't need to keep repeating yourself.

These guys are not going to abandon their post just over a storm.

Baba Louie
September 21, 2003, 06:27 PM
"It's just considered to be the greatest honor to go out there and guard," Holmes said. "It's not only the unknowns. It's a symbol that represents everyone who's fought and died for our country."

Sgt. Christopher Holmes USA

The man who stood a 5 1/2 hour watch while 20+ trees were knocked down in the storm at Arlington...

nuff said

Adios

dangerousdude
September 21, 2003, 06:31 PM
I think if the water level rose over there heads they
would in-fact would abandon there post. In the second post I was trying to offer a viewpoint from one of the unknown dead soldiers buried there and I don't think they would have a problem with the guards abandoning there graves in that situation.

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"It's just considered to be the greatest honor to go out there and guard," Holmes said. "It's not only the unknowns. It's a symbol that represents everyone who's fought and died for our country."

Sgt. Christopher Holmes USA

I also disagree with that statement, I believe the greatest honor is to die in battle defending your counrty.

Dorian
September 21, 2003, 07:08 PM
"It's just considered to be the greatest honor to go out there and guard," Holmes said. "It's not only the unknowns. It's a symbol that represents everyone who's fought and died for our country."

Sgt. Christopher Holmes USA

I also disagree with that statement, I believe the greatest honor is to die in battle defending your counrty.


As you said, YOU BELIEVE. Some would say otherwise. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some would rather guard the tomb, some would rather die in battle.

It is MY opinion that YOUR opinion stinks! :D

Nightcrawler
September 21, 2003, 08:04 PM
I've never been to war, but I know many people that have. They've told me there is nothing honorable about getting a bullet through your brain, getting your legs blown off on a land mine, getting a bayonet through the guts, or being incinerated by napalm or white phosphorous.

That Americans are willing to make that sacrifice, or rather, RISK death and dismemberment (I don't think many would enlist if they knew 100% for sure that they were going to die or be maimed, but some would even then) because their country calls, is extremely noble and honorable in of itself.

But let us not glorify war. War is ugly. It is brutal. And in many cases throughout history, it's been over practically nothing.

t driver
September 21, 2003, 11:34 PM
by Sisco OUTSTANDING!


Other than awe inspiring, I can't add anthing more.

Fair 'n Square
September 22, 2003, 12:57 AM
I add my praise to the "Old Guard" who remain steadfast in their duty. They bring honor to those who serve faithfully in the armed forces, both in the past, and today. Blessings on them all.

Devonai
September 22, 2003, 01:26 AM
Dangerousdude, you're not going to make a lot of friends around here with your opinions on this matter. You might also notice that the rest of us don't need to make constant use of boldface type to make our points.

The greatest honor is to serve, and serve well.

These men are a shining example of that honor.

Nightcrawler
September 22, 2003, 01:32 AM
And, to add...you don't win wars by dying for your country.

BluesBear
September 22, 2003, 01:35 AM
Honor? To paraphrase the opening scene from "Patton", it is MY belief that my greatest honor would be to make some other poor SOB die for his country.

You can die for your cause if you want to since it's your life, just make sure you don't drag me down with you.

If you never believe a single word from any of my posts believe this....
I am NOT willing to die to protect any member of my family. But I AM willing to kill to protect them. I feel the same for my country. To me THAT is honor.
Am I willing to risk death or injury for them? Of course I am! But I try to keep the odds in my favor.

He who survives and saves the day, lives to save another day.

P.S. THERE is a noun or adjective that refers to a place or position. THEIR is a posessive pronoun, acting as an adjective relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action or thing.

dangerousdude
September 22, 2003, 01:50 AM
Devonai

Dangerousdude, you're not going to make a lot of friends around here with your opinions on this matter. You might also notice that the rest of us don't need to make constant use of boldface type to make our points.

The greatest honor is to serve, and serve well.

These men are a shining example of that honor.

(Enough. --LawDog)

old soldier
September 22, 2003, 07:49 AM
The Old Guard "Semper Fi,Oooh Rah"

Carlos Cabeza
September 22, 2003, 11:30 AM
I had the pleasure of vacationing in D.C. last september. The only day I had for touring Arlington National Cemetery it was pouring rain. I wasn't going to let it stop me because I really wanted to visit and see the many historical icons that are there. I was very inspired by the Honor Guard at the Tomb of the Unknowns. The rain didn't bother them one bit. :cool:

Baba Louie
September 22, 2003, 12:21 PM
When I was a kid, my grandparents used to live in Silver Springs MD and we'd visit once or twice a year.

Always went to Arlington...always watched the changing of the guard.

As a kid, I'd never seen tears on my Dad's face and it always amazed me to look around and see grown men standing at silent attention for the most part, with tears in their eyes.
Afterwards we'd walk over the grounds and I'd listen to him talk about Robert E. Lee (his hero, my namesake), his older brothers and friends service in WWII, his Korean time, his two younger half brothers service in the Marines in SEA, pausing now and then in silence as a funeral procession came by (Vietnam war 60's era).

I get it now. Didn't then.

Sacred ground.

Adios

grampster
September 22, 2003, 03:23 PM
My childhood pal enlisted in the army in 1960. He served in the guard at the Tomb. "Strack" is a good military term for the bearing of those guys; pride and privlilege also applied.

grampster

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