I Want A 9mm Carbine, But?


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sigbear
November 25, 2008, 03:39 PM
I want a 9mm carbine to plink with, living in Massachusetts, the choices are limited to few.

I looked into the Beretta Storm CX4 but $699 is a lot of money for a plinker, so, I looked into the Kel-Tech sub 2000 at around $300, but 2 dealers said they are extremely tough to get and they weren't eager to order me one.

I don't think there are any other choices in Mass under $699, but I may be wrong?

Any Suggestions?

Sigbear

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rondog
November 25, 2008, 03:44 PM
I don't know about Mass., but the Hi-Point (yes, Hi-Point) carbines are a LOT of fun, and under $200. I have a .40 (4095), and I bought a 9mm (995) for my 11y/o grandson. Put a cheap red-dot on 'em from WalMart, and good times will be had!

But, OMG are they ugly. Very reliable though, made in the USA, with a full lifetime warranty.

This is my .40 when I first bought it, and the first target. 50 rounds at 10 yards shooting freehand.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1765.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1764.jpg

There's an aftermarket stock available for the 9mm from ATI, looks like this.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/HP995mods.jpg

SoonerPast
November 25, 2008, 03:44 PM
They call them carbine conversion units. Use the frames from either, Glocks or 1911's. Calibers, 9mm, .40 or .45. I bought one on impulse, but it was a surprise how good it is. Holds a really tight group. Mech Tech's web site explains the options available. This assumes you already have a 9mm in Glock or 1911.

spyderdude
November 25, 2008, 03:46 PM
I've heard the Hi-Point carbines are excellent carbines. I was thinking about buying one, but the Kel-Tec model that takes Glock mags is what I want, because I have three Glock 9mm handguns.

ifit
November 25, 2008, 03:47 PM
search ruger pc9, dont think they make them anymore but have seen them on gunbroker but they get snatched up pretty fast. i wouldnt mind having one. they also have the pc4

mavracer
November 25, 2008, 03:49 PM
But, OMG are they ugly.
easy fix $50 ATI stock here's mine.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/mavracer/P8040132.jpg

Tacticaldude
November 25, 2008, 04:16 PM
+1 for rondog and mavracer (cool pics.)

sigbear, Since the purpose is to plink..(Although I saw one episode in the TV longtime ago of COPS where a police is using it for searching a fugitive forgot what state)
Anyway,
HighPoint carbine 995 model Highly recommend,Made in USA,Lifetime warranty and customer service mucho excellente.
Save the extra money for ammos 'cause your really going to have fun ;) Accuracy is awesome!Like what rondog just sample;) OR you can buy the extra money for another glock ( I recommend the model 34 for plinking and competition)
Have Fun and GoodLuck

Speedo66
November 26, 2008, 01:12 AM
I was pondering the same thing. I came to the conclusion that the Baretta was too expensive, and the Hi-Point, although highly touted, was just beyond what my aesthetic sense could handle. I went for the Kel-Tec G17 version.

Yes, the Kel-tec was hard to find, but I got it about 1 1/2 months ago for $299, and I'm happy with it.

First day at the range I found it to be accurate, and it fed nicely on every type of 9mm cartridge I could throw at it. The only caveat is they expressly warn you not to use aluminum cased ammo.

They are made in the US if that matters to you, and have a lifetime warranty also. They say for original owner only, but the word is that they will fix it regardless.

The good: it's accurate, feds everything, good reputation for customer service, and it FOLDS, fits in a laptop bag. Takes most Glock mags, including the 33 rounder.

The bad, not much, but if you're lefty, and I am, you will get your cheek a little peppered with gas from the ejection port.

Overall, worth waiting for!

BHP FAN
November 26, 2008, 01:25 AM
Rondog,that carbine is dead sexy!Is the ''flash hider'' to comply with over all length laws,or could one do with out it?Is it part of the kit, or is it extra?Have I asked enough annoying questions yet,or should I go find a nice used Marlin Camp Carbine?

X-Rap
November 26, 2008, 02:18 AM
Got my 2nd Sub 2000 today, it takes the Gl 23 mag. My other has the longer grip of the Gl 22. It cost $256.04 NIB.
I told the dealer to get me a 9mm in Gl 19 ASAP as I have a good amount of the shorter 9mm mags.
Now if they will just make a .45 or 10mm life will be good.

aliveisalive
November 26, 2008, 02:44 AM
I held one in the local shop the other day. Quick question for those that own the hi-points - does the finish suck? because i swear this gun looked well handled and used but the owner swore it was brand new. It was 250 for it with 3 mags and a mag holder on the stock which would get tossed. Figured it was an O.K. price for new york. May pick it up after christmas.

candr44
November 26, 2008, 10:53 AM
can you get a Marlin Camp 9 in your state? They are still going for around $350 where I live. The 9mm also takes Smith and Wesson model 59 magazines which are easy to find.
One thing that you need to check when buying a used one is the port buffer. The originals deteriorated but aftermarket replacements are cheap, easy to find, and easy to replace.

A Sub 2000 is also a very accurate rifle but the factory sights could be better. It is also not very easy to put aftermarket accessories on it because of the folding feature and especially a scope.
They are easy to take a apart and clean and also very easy to store away. I keep mine in a computer case so I can take it to my car without the neighbors noticing Its a rifle.

rangerruck
November 26, 2008, 10:58 AM
your best bet would be the ruger or marlin. the kel tec has a very uncomfortable steel tube, that uses your eyebone as it's own personal cheekrest.
the hipoint is finally okay with the new stock added, but the problem is still the mags, short, and expesive, and not allways worky.
I really like the sound of that mech tech in glock form , taking a 32 round hi cap glock mag, which are proly the most reliable mags ever made.

lipadj46
November 26, 2008, 02:12 PM
Legally is the high point carbine considered a pistol or rifle? I would assume a rifle as it has a barrel over 16". Also does anyone know if these are legal in NY? I count 2 evil parts, magazine and pistol grip so it's not considered an AW.

Darthbauer
November 26, 2008, 02:16 PM
search ruger pc9, dont think they make them anymore but have seen them on gunbroker but they get snatched up pretty fast. i wouldnt mind having one. they also have the pc4

What he said. A friend of mine has a PC-40 and although I hate .40s&w it is very fun to shoot and looks a lot better than the Hi-Point.

rondog
November 26, 2008, 02:35 PM
Rondog,that carbine is dead sexy!Is the ''flash hider'' to comply with over all length laws,or could one do with out it?Is it part of the kit, or is it extra?Have I asked enough annoying questions yet,or should I go find a nice used Marlin Camp Carbine?

That one isn't mine, only the first one I pictured is mine.

I held one in the local shop the other day. Quick question for those that own the hi-points - does the finish suck? because i swear this gun looked well handled and used but the owner swore it was brand new.

Yes, the finish DOES suck. They're a very low budget "niche market" gun, targeting the folks that want a fun plinker or home defense gun, but aren't too concerned with aesthetics. If you want pretty, this ain't for you. If you want an accurate can-buster or a reliable goblin-chaser for an affordable price, it's worth considering. That's what I wanted, cheap and fun. I have expensive, pretty guns, just needed a cheap, ugly "ho" to play with.

X-Rap
November 26, 2008, 03:02 PM
Living in Mass. will likely cool the easy ability to construct a carbine from a pistol frame that could easily be returned to a pistol.
The mech tech would be complicated in Mass. and so would anything over 10 rd. cap.

MD_Willington
November 26, 2008, 08:05 PM
Sure would be cool if they could "up size" a Mossberg plinker of something similar either semi or bolt for the various 9mm's or even 7.62*25

phishisgroovin
November 26, 2008, 08:16 PM
my brother in law has the hi-point also and loved shooting it.
we have a great time at camp blasting away with it and all our other guns.
Hi-point has a lifetime warranty on all their firearms as well and its transferrable to whoever buys the gun from you also for infinity.

Speedo66
November 26, 2008, 08:21 PM
I looked at the Mech-Tech, it's the price of a complete carbine (more actually), but incomplete and unfireable without an additional pistol.

MaterDei
November 26, 2008, 08:35 PM
Those Hipoints look great, and you can't beat the price. I really like my Marlin Camp 9, it is very fun to shoot and accurate to boot.

kiawahman
November 30, 2008, 06:46 PM
My vote is the Hi-Point 995. Mine cost $169 at Dunham's Sports, has had over 300 rounds fired through it and has never missed a beat. Just like the ugly girl at the end of the bar at closing time; she's dependable, always ready, and never complains.:D

The cheap prices of H-P's pistols and carbines make it possible to own more than one dependable firearm without breaking the bank. While not much of a carry piece, I'd much rather have three H-P 9mm pistols stashed in various places than one Glock. And three 995's to one Browning.;)

Clipper
November 30, 2008, 06:51 PM
And three 995's to one Browning.


Hold up there, man! I love my 995 too, but having had both, I would hafta go with the Browning...

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