makeshift primer sealer?


PDA






kurts_armory
November 25, 2008, 08:19 PM
hey guys, i have some black hills (LC brass) reloaded, and when i inserted the primers, they were easy... too easy. could this be a potential problem? i think i remember reading somewhere that you can effectively use super glue to seal primers, is this correct? any help would be great

If you enjoyed reading about "makeshift primer sealer?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
kingpin008
November 25, 2008, 08:27 PM
I dunno about super glue, but clear nail polish works great.

Oro
November 25, 2008, 08:54 PM
clear nail polish works great.

+1. This has been the common man's approach for ages.

You are correct that long term-storage with loose-fitting primers can lead to failure (we had this problem in FL in the high humidity).

OAKVILLE SHOOTER
November 25, 2008, 08:57 PM
You can also use colored nail polish. Different colors for different loads.

kingpin008
November 25, 2008, 09:33 PM
True. It'll also help you locate your fired rounds at the range.

"Hey, whose cases are these with the red nail polish on the primer?"

"Are they Midnight Kiss Red or Cherry Suprise Red?"

"Looks like Cherry Suprise to me."

"Yup. Those're mine."

:D:D:D

bullseye308
November 25, 2008, 09:45 PM
Any nail polish should work to seal the primers. What I would worry about is the primers seating easily enough for you to ask about it and think about gluing them in. Sounds like the primer pockets have stretched and may need to be recycled. Any time a primer goes in real easy, I chuck it in the bucket with a crushed neck.

I prefer Berry Red from the dollar store that has hardener in it. Don't wanna chip it off throwing it in the ammo can now do we. :)

joneb
November 25, 2008, 10:05 PM
A colored sealer helps you know you gotter dun rite :D

rfwobbly
November 25, 2008, 10:06 PM
In my September match, a loose primer came out and caused a FTF. I wasn't aware the primer was still inside the gun until it jammed the mechanism again on the next stage. So 2 malfunctions on 2 consecutive stages.

Loose primers cost me the match. By that I mean I finished last in my class... instead of my usual next-to-last!

The Bushmaster
November 25, 2008, 10:50 PM
If the primer pockets are worn out, they are worn out. The cases should be discarded. Don't attempt to patch them...Toss them...

Eagle103
November 25, 2008, 10:58 PM
Pitch the brass and if it was you who loaded them I'd take it down a notch. IMO a stretched primer pocket is the best way to know things are getting a little too hot.

Lucky
November 25, 2008, 11:54 PM
Do you dab the stuff on, or just trace around the circumference?

bullseye308
November 25, 2008, 11:57 PM
You could do either, but I think covering the whole primer may cause ignition problems. I would just hit it around the edges.

kurts_armory
November 25, 2008, 11:57 PM
these are once fired cases by black hills, unless they are maxing the charge, i doubt that that stretching is the problem. they have what looks to be a cut-out of where the military crimp was.

bullseye308
November 26, 2008, 12:02 AM
Maybe ther reamed them a little much. This is one of those things where I might set that batch of brass aside and get another to use while I figure out what to do with the first one. Maybe get someone else to look them over and get another hands-on opinion.
Maybe, just possibly, the primers are a hair undersized. Nah... just reaching a little. :banghead:

kurts_armory
November 26, 2008, 12:23 AM
this brass is actually from several batches, and i am using cci small rifle magnum primers....

rcmodel
November 26, 2008, 01:00 PM
Whatever the cause, gluing them in with paint or super-glue is a VERY BAD idea!

If the primer pockets are that loose, they are getting dangerous to shoot.

Anyway, the pressure from firing is going to break any bonding agent instantly, as soon as the pressure hits it!

IMO: Pull the bullets & primers and save them.
It's time to Re-cycle the brass!

rcmodel

10 Spot Terminator
November 26, 2008, 01:18 PM
BEFORE YOU SCRAP THAT BRASS ,,,,

Try seating some Remington primers, they have done the trick for me where the primer pockets seem to heve been reamed rather than swaged out from the military crimps. Changing primers will of course require reworking your load data as may tend to change the pressure values on your current loads . 10 SPOT

depoloni
November 26, 2008, 08:03 PM
+1 on the nail polish...

Take this with a grain of salt because I do NOT know if the heat and/or heat exposure time in a firing sequence would be long enough to do the same thing - but I once was dumb enough to try and solder something that I'd previously glued together with cyano-acrylic glue. Super Jet it was I think, but same thing as Krazy/Super glue. It liquefied, sizzled, and spit off this little puff of gas and nearly choked me to death while burning my eyes out.

Wouldn't want a puff of that coming up out of my chamber, for sure. No long term problems but I was miserable and wheezing for about an hour. Do NOT burn anything with super-glue on it outside a fume hood!

PS - if you're a fly tyer like me, head cement works well too. But if you can tell me the difference between it and nail polish, you're a better man than I.

rcmodel
November 27, 2008, 12:27 PM
The way I understood his question,
he is not asking about sealing primers to make them watherproof.

He wants to glue them in, to keep them from falling out! :what:

If that is the case, nothing will work safely.

rcmodel

GaryL
November 27, 2008, 12:28 PM
I know of one particular manufacturer who has used a lacquer sealant for years that is essentially thinned and dyed nail polish. A very small drop (maybe a third the size of a water drop from a faucet) applied to the gap should wick around in a few seconds and be all that is needed to seal and lock the primer in place.

R.W.Dale
November 27, 2008, 12:33 PM
hey guys, i have some black hills (LC brass) reloaded, and when i inserted the primers, they were easy... too easy.

Your brass is completely and totally worn out. REPLACE IT before the heads start seperating, which is the next step in the usual progression of brass dailure

rcmodel
November 27, 2008, 12:40 PM
applied to the gap should wick around in a few seconds and be all that is needed to seal and lock the primer in place.Commercial & military lacquer primer seal is used to waterproof the ammo.

It has nothing at all to do with "locking the primer in place".

Military ammo has a crimp applied to the case to keep the primers from backing out in Machine-guns.

Un-crimped & sealed commercial primers generally DO back out slightly, and then are re-seated when the case recoils against the breach face.

You can prove it to yourself by pulling the bullet on a lacquer sealed commercial revolver round.
Then fire the primer in a revolver.
The primer will back out and bind up the cylinder so it will not turn.

rcmodel

GaryL
November 27, 2008, 12:43 PM
rcmodel, I wasn't thinking of machine gun applications. The lacquer sealant fractures easily. There are other sealants for specialized applications.

He wants to glue them in, to keep them from falling out!

If that is the case, nothing will work safely.

Loctite.

I've never tried this product, but I suspect this would be a permanent, one time application.

http://www.allfasteners.com/Loctite-Retaining-Compound-603-Oil-Tolerant--50-ml-Bottle-40442-2144141_p_99.html

http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/603-EN.pdf

rcmodel
November 27, 2008, 12:50 PM
What part about "Nothing will work safely" does everyone have a problem understanding? :banghead:

There is no adhesive that will withstand the heat & pressure of a .223 going off.

If the primer pockets are so loose the primers fall out, the brass is scrap and it is not safe to continue trying to use it! :cuss:!

rcmodel

The Bushmaster
November 27, 2008, 01:27 PM
I gave up rc...Figure they will find out on their own...

Walkalong
November 27, 2008, 01:49 PM
What part about "Nothing will work safely"

Yep........if those primer pockets are loose, scrap the brass, life is too short. :)

kurts_armory
November 27, 2008, 02:51 PM
they dont fall out, they just insert with less force than commercial brass

R.W.Dale
November 27, 2008, 03:37 PM
they dont fall out, they just insert with less force than commercial brass

BECAUSE THEY'RE WORN OUT!!!!!!!!!

If they were actually falling out and you asked this question my reply would be that you have no business owning a reloading press

kurts_armory
November 27, 2008, 05:22 PM
sorry to cuss. but this is aggrevating.THEY ARE ON THEIR FIRST #^$%ING LOADING, and brass aint cheap ya know.

Wedge
November 27, 2008, 05:36 PM
deleted

gyp_c2
November 27, 2008, 05:41 PM
...hey dude, have you measured them?
There's a nifty thought...
Just measure the primers, also measure the actual pocket, not the reamed area of the case...You can find a little chart of primer sizes on the 'net that'll tell you if the primers are out of spec...or...you could try loading some in a different case!
...sometimes simple really is best...http://emoticons4u.com/smoking/rauch06.gif
here ya' go....170 on a LC '06 from a batch of Black Hills...it should be very close to that...sorry you're havin' troubles dude...If the primer pockets are larger than that in the actual pocket area then you need to measure the primers and compare them to see if you're screwed or not...

kurts_armory
November 27, 2008, 06:23 PM
the primers are 176 and the pockets are 173-175'ish

WardenWolf
November 27, 2008, 06:39 PM
Drop of red Loctite? It lets go at 300 degrees, though. The other people are right: if it's too loose, it's too loose and you need to retire the cases.

GaryL
November 27, 2008, 08:01 PM
What part about "Nothing will work safely" does everyone have a problem understanding?

There is no adhesive that will withstand the heat & pressure of a .223 going off.Not necessarily true, but in the grand scheme of things it's easier and cheaper to buy new brass.

If you enjoyed reading about "makeshift primer sealer?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!