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WAGCEVP
September 19, 2003, 05:10 PM
Military Style Assault Rifles Sold at Gun Show Held on Public Grounds in
Syracuse, NY

Press Release
New Yorkers Against Gun Violence
3 West 29th Street
New York, NY 10001
www.nyagv.org

Contact:
Andy Pelosi:
Phone: (212) 679-2345

New Yorkers Against Gun Violence Call on Local and State Officials to No
Longer Permit Assault Weapons To Be Sold on Public Property

Syracuse, NY - New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGV), a statewide gun
violence prevention organization, called on local and state officials to
no longer permit the sale of assault weapons on public property. Gun
violence prevention advocates pointed to the availability of military
style assault rifles being sold at the public fair grounds in Syracuse,
New York at one of the state's largest gun shows. Assault weapons pose a
grave risk to law enforcement officials according to a recent study by the
Violence Policy Center, "Officer Down" that found that one in five law
enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998,
and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons.

"It is outrageous that public property is used to sell military style
semi-automatic assault weapons that are designed to kill as many people as
possible, and outgun law enforcement officers," said Andy Pelosi,
Executive Director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. "We are here today
to call on local and state officials to no longer permit semi-automatic
assault rifles to be sold on public property."

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban will sunset in exactly one year from
today, on September 13th, 2004 unless Congress strengthens and
re-authorizes the ban. Since the passage of the 1994 law, the gun industry
has willfully circumvented the Assault Weapons Ban by making minor
cosmetic changes to assault weapons and have produced a new class of
"post-ban" assault rifles. Although the 1994 ban was a positive step to
banning military style assault rifles, the law clearly needs to be
strengthened to meet the original intent to get assault rifles off the
streets.

"The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban has been flaunted by the gun
industry as they continue to sell 'after ban' and 'post-ban' assault
weapons. We need a comprehensive approach to dealing with these military
style weapons. Local communities need to prohibit public property being
used to sell assault rifles, and federal law makers need to strengthen the
Assault Weapons Ban," said Bryan Miller, a gun violence prevention
advocate in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Miller spoke about his brother
Mike Miller, a Special Agent with the FBI, who was shot and killed with a
semi-automatic assault pistol at a police station in Washington D.C. in
1994.

A coalition of clergy members, consumer advocates, and gun violence
survivors joined NYAGV to call for an end of military style assault
weapons being sold on public property. The coalition also urged federal
lawmakers to support legislation sponsored by New York Congresswoman
Carolyn McCarthy
(D-4th) and New Jersey Senator Frank Lautenberg (D) that would strengthen
the assault weapons ban and get these dangerous weapons off the streets.

"We've had ten years experience with the Federal Assault Weapons Ban and
we' ve learned that there are big loopholes that the gun industry has
taken advantage of. That means we need to strengthen the law, not repeal
the Assault Weapons Ban," said Russ Haven, Legislative Counsel for the New
York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG). "The McCarthy-Lautenberg
bill will strengthen the law to protect law enforcement and make our
streets safer."
Date of Release: September 13, 2003

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Chipperman
September 19, 2003, 05:13 PM
:barf:

4v50 Gary
September 19, 2003, 05:16 PM
Wishful thinking bliss nincompoops. So long as steel pipes or blocks of steel are around, people will have guns.

Andrew Rothman
September 19, 2003, 05:58 PM
"The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban has been flaunted..."

One can only assume they meant "flouted".


"...by the gun industry as they continue to sell 'after ban' and 'post-ban' assault weapons. "

Wow. "After" AND "Post"? There are two distinct and dangerous classes.

Besides getting a clue, they should get a decdent writer. :)

Matt

Standing Wolf
September 19, 2003, 06:30 PM
New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGV), a statewide gun violence prevention organization

Any press release that's begun with an outright lie isn't worth reading. Victim disarmament merely encourages criminal predation.

WAGCEVP
September 19, 2003, 06:36 PM
know thy enemy, SW :)

TallPine
September 19, 2003, 07:06 PM
one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons.

Huh ...?

Miller spoke about his brother Mike Miller, a Special Agent with the FBI, who was shot and killed with a semi-automatic assault pistol at a police station in Washington D.C. in 1994.
You all get that ?????????????

ALL semi-automatic pistols, by the stroke of the pen of this press release, have just been classified as "assault weapons".

Just in case any of you have any doubts left where this is going.

Pretty soon it will be those evil single shot 410 gauge "assault shotguns" ...

WAGCEVP
September 19, 2003, 07:13 PM
there will always be "loopholes" until all guns are banned

sm
September 19, 2003, 07:23 PM
...if you had a " member" of this thinking next to a public place and on a table had:

- "writings" suggesting being passive/submissive to an attacker
-rape whistle
-pepper spray
-cell phone with 911 on speed dial
- ...or an
-"assault pistol"

and their teenage daughter was about to be a plaything for thug...
C note says the last item would be grabbed and used... " the rules", mis-guided / mis-cited stuff just went out the window...

betcha ;)

TallPine
September 19, 2003, 07:32 PM
I have to disagree, 1973

This isn't about protection (or lack or it) from criminals.

This is about protection (or lack or it) from the police state.

These people, the leaders anyway, know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it.

standingbear
September 19, 2003, 07:42 PM
single shot guns next?naw..itll be the bolt actions because they are designed for maximum accuracy.the other thing about making minor changes to an rifle to allow it to be made to be legal...its called AMERICAN ingenuity.we'll have our cake AND eat it too thank you.besides it does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that eliminating guns is their main objective and if they are successful..there will still be shooting deaths,beatings and stabbings because there will still be criminals.So..criminals are the problem.they are morons.

WAGCEVP
September 19, 2003, 07:49 PM
aren't the bolt action what they are calling "sniper rifles" now?

Atticus
September 19, 2003, 08:05 PM
"Assault weapons pose a grave risk to law enforcement officials according to a recent study by the Violence Policy Center, "Officer Down" that found that one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty between January 1, 1998, and December 31, 2001, were killed with assault weapons."

So they don't care about the other 80%. What up with that?:what:

sm
September 19, 2003, 08:52 PM
TallPine:
I read again the original post, and yes it IS about becoming a police state. Gun Control IS about "control". I noted that the first time also, my focus went a little different angle. :) Spoke with some anti's today and -well -still on that mindset...oops sorry. :)

I think we can agree in the course of history, many whom thought giving up essential liberties for freedom--OR--whom thought that the "New ________ ", ( insert name of gov't./ ruler/ dictactor....etc.), woke up too late to realize the mistake (s).

We have often seen those whom were anti, but since had money/power/ status..., not be subjected to the same restraints . Then we have a few whom become awakened to realities of The control part and what all it encompasses. Maybe a loved one becomes a victim, and the idealist control stuff gets chunked and a review of our Constitution instead gets them to mend their ways and work against what they helped to create.

Tallpine, thanks for the re-focus....anti's and "micro-crash"...kinda wore out some gray matter today. ;)



" all animals are created equal...some more equal than others..." - Animal Farm.

TallPine
September 19, 2003, 09:34 PM
single shot guns next?naw..itll be the bolt actions
Sorry, I should have put in some ellipses ....

After the assault rifles, assault pistols, all handguns, sniper rifles, repeating shotguns, and big bore shotguns, are banned ...

the little 410s and 22s will be targeted.

Mark Tyson
September 19, 2003, 09:43 PM
How exactly do they come to the conclusion that 20% of LEO's killed on duty are killed by these weapons?

keederdag
September 19, 2003, 09:50 PM
Ditto 4V50 Gary...Gun's plenty easy too make...even for Usn's. Funny thing is, sub-guns are almost too easy! It's the more primitive ones, like revolvers, that are hard.;)

gun-fucious
September 20, 2003, 12:51 AM
How exactly do they come to the conclusion that 20% of LEO's killed on duty are killed by these weapons?

by Brady math:
any semi auto pistol with a greater than 10 round capacity magazine, is an assault pistol

Police officers shot with their own duty weapon are killed with an assault weapon

jimpeel
September 20, 2003, 03:24 AM
Geez, is everybody named Pelosi anti-firearm? Nancy, is that you?

greyhound
September 20, 2003, 09:23 AM
Andy Pelosi:

Dang, jimpeel, you beat me to it!:D

Must be her brother...

Nightfall
September 20, 2003, 10:54 AM
Miller spoke about his brother Mike Miller, a Special Agent with the FBI, who was shot and killed with a semi-automatic assault pistol at a police station in Washington D.C. in 1994.
Anybody want to take a wild guess and say this 'semi-auto assault pistol' may well have been a Glock 17 that was in the station?

Since the passage of the 1994 law, the gun industry has willfully circumvented the Assault Weapons Ban by making minor cosmetic changes to assault weapons and have produced a new class of "post-ban" assault rifles.
How is it willfully circumventing if you're just changing your products to meet the new law? I guess they should have just thrown up their hands and started making bolt action .22 rifles with bright green and pink stocks, huh? Er, colorful guns, nevermind. We'd probably be accused of trying to lure children into the gun culture. :rolleyes:

"It is outrageous that public property is used to sell military style
semi-automatic assault weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible, and outgun law enforcement officers,"
Because only police need weapons designed to kill as many people as possible? :scrutiny: Or maybe, just maybe, the police realize how effective 'assault weapons' are as defensive tools... hmm...

Mark Tyson
September 20, 2003, 11:07 AM
Excellent point! We need to change the lexicon here. Every time a blissninny says that these guns are the weapons of choice of criminals, reply that they are the weapon of choice of law enforcement.

The same gun useful to the police or law abiding citizen is useful to the criminal. What matters is the hands wielding the weapon.

WAGCEVP
September 20, 2003, 06:59 PM
Geez, is everybody named Pelosi anti-firearm? Nancy, is that you?


?????????????
Jimpeel, am I pelosi? No!

Mark Tyson
September 20, 2003, 07:41 PM
WAGCEVP, I think Jimpeel was doing his Ronald Regean impersonation.

WAGCEVP
September 20, 2003, 07:48 PM
oOOOOOOOOOH, that Nancy.............:o :D

Spot77
September 20, 2003, 07:52 PM
I think we should ban auto shows on public property; especially those big black,evil SUV's cuz' my friend's cousin's baby sister's friend got her toe run over by one.:cuss:

keederdag
September 21, 2003, 04:42 PM
YAA.. and how bout them thar fishen shows, I got me a meps spiner stuck in ma upper lip one time. Hell I thought them was Hourdurves!:D

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