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Tamlin
November 26, 2008, 06:56 PM
Moving to San Diego in 6 months from AZ - can't bring any kind of assault rifle with me (CA won't even allow my little Hi-Point 995!) Went to my local gun shop today and looked at a few different lever guns. The ones I liked were all Marlin 1894's - one was a 44 mag/44 spcl; one was a 357/38; and one was a 45 Colt. The 45 Colt was sweet - stainless steel, 16.25" bbl, with a red dot sight, for $549. The other two had 20" bbls, and were about $75 - $100 more. They were stainless, too. I have revolvers in 357 and 44 mag, and it would be convenient to share ammo, but I really liked the feel of the 45 Colt. As a reluctant alternative to any kind of assault rifle, what are your opinions on these three? I've never shot 45 Colt, and don't know how it compares to the other two. Btw, I also have a 6.5x55 Swede carbine which is my current camp/hunting gun, but it only holds 5 rounds. I was planning on just using this, but it's heavy and I think all the lever guns have a 10 round capacity.

Thanks -

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1 old 0311
November 26, 2008, 07:01 PM
With the .38/.357 the ammo will be cheaper, and easier to find. Also you MAY soon be limited to a wheel gun.

ECVMatt
November 26, 2008, 07:16 PM
This one is a .30-30:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/lfront.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/lever.jpg


and this one is a .44

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/leverside2.jpg

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/levertop3.jpg

The .44 is ready for a red dot. I am just trying to decide on which one.

You might want to go to calguns.net and check out the section on Off List Lowers. You might just be able to bring one of your ARs in state.

I really love my levers though...I like the .44 the best. It is very versatile. The .357 is going to be cheaper to shoot and the .357 really kicks it up when fired from a carbine barrel.

Here is another good site for more info on the 1894.

www.marlinowners.com

Hope this helps.

Matt

Matt

ken22250
November 26, 2008, 07:20 PM
if the gun can handel them, with a hot load .45 long colt i shoot in a ruger blackhawk, they are somewhere in between the .44 and .454,(closer to 44 than 454), and in a handgun can be real abusive to your knuckles, but if a rifle can handle them it should be entirley adequite to 100 yards.
ken

bukijin
November 26, 2008, 07:41 PM
Why not an "aussie assault rifle" ie remington 7615 in .223 http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm
especially since you can use ar15 mags.

fireflyfather
November 26, 2008, 08:11 PM
Or you could just get a bullet button to put on your AR/AK/HK, etc... As long as it isn't a named assault weapon, you're pretty much good to go. Take a look at calguns.net. That place will have ALL the info you need to stay within the law and still exercise your 2nd amendment rights in CA.

doc540
November 26, 2008, 08:16 PM
"Why not an "aussie assault rifle" ie remington 7615 in .223 http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm
especially since you can use ar15 mags."

For some unknown reason that really appeals to me.:cool:

and sells new for $570....hmmmm

ants
November 26, 2008, 08:31 PM
Appeals to me, too. Especially since the Remington web site says:
Also, transition from the Model 870 Pump shotgun into this patrol rifle is easily accomplished.So you can convert the 223 rifle to a 12 gauge shotgun!

I wonder if there is a kit to convert a standard 870 12 gauge into a 223 rifle?

glockman19
November 26, 2008, 08:34 PM
What gun shop?
Does the 1894 in .357 have the checkered walnut stock?

I have the .44 mag in Stainless and have been looking for the .38/.357.

You can bring your black rifle with you if you just install a Bullet Button or Prince50 kit so a tool is required to drop your 10 round mags.
Check out www.calguns.net
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Evenflo76
November 26, 2008, 09:04 PM
I've seen the Remington pump for as little as $450 on Gunbroker

zerosignal
November 26, 2008, 09:55 PM
Regarding post #8:

The 7615 can NOT be converted to a shotgun.

What Remington is talking about when they say "transition" is the similarity in manual of arms.

JImbothefiveth
November 26, 2008, 10:13 PM
Would a marlin .45 A.C.P. camp carbine be legal? How about something classified as C&R, like a Russian SKS?

Or maybe an m1 Garand. (Okay, not even anywhere close to an assault rifle, but still.)

Frog48
November 26, 2008, 10:17 PM
Regarding post #8:

The 7615 can NOT be converted to a shotgun.

What Remington is talking about when they say "transition" is the similarity in manual of arms.

Agreed. They are saying that due to similarity in function, you could set one down and pick up the other, and know how to operate it. They are NOT saying that the same weapon can easily be converted to fire both rifle cartridges and shotshells.

lipadj46
November 26, 2008, 10:32 PM
Get an M1A SOCOM 16 or SOCOM II, they are legal in CA.

TexAg
November 27, 2008, 12:02 AM
Might want to jump on the 16.5" .45! If it's a stainless Marlin there were only a few hundred made and it should be selling for more like $700

Fil
November 27, 2008, 12:17 AM
I own a Marlin 1894 in .357/.38. I have recently put the XS sights and Weaver rail on it and couldn't be happier. It is fast becoming my favorite all around rifle. It does well for deer hunting inside 100 yards; in a home defense role the .357 is perceived as a stopper in a pistol, it is that much better in a rifle. Put cheap .357s or .38s in it and it is an awesome plinker. All said a pistol caliber lever gun can do allot of things well.

PRKarms
September 8, 2009, 10:53 PM
There are a LOT of options for tactical rifles that are legal in california....

you don't have to cut corners...

Get a lever gun if you want a lever gun... but there is plenty of CA legal hardware that you can choose from.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/IMG_7933.jpg

chevyforlife21
September 8, 2009, 11:00 PM
what kind of marlin 3030 is that matt?

ArmedBear
September 8, 2009, 11:11 PM
When I was in San Diego, I had the same ARs I have now. Just a couple of little parts to swap out.

What do you want to do with the rifle?

ECVMatt
September 8, 2009, 11:20 PM
I made that 30-30 up. It is basically an old pre-safety 336. I had the bbl cut back to 16.5 inches. I then used Aluma-hyde to paint it OD Green over Matte Black. I also installed a ram-line stock...it is a rifle that shoots great.

I am a Marlin guy, so it was a fun project.

Quiet
September 9, 2009, 12:21 AM
Would a marlin .45 A.C.P. camp carbine be legal? How about something classified as C&R, like a Russian SKS?

Or maybe an m1 Garand. (Okay, not even anywhere close to an assault rifle, but still.)

The Marlin camp carbines, Russian SKS and M1 Garands = CA legal.

bondmid003
September 9, 2009, 02:45 AM
I've got an M4 style AR and I live in San Diego. Just use the bullet button method and you'll be fine.

armoredman
September 9, 2009, 04:16 AM
Czechpoint makes a VERY nice SA vZ-58 clone for Cali, and will have it available in .223 soon, as well.

Shear_stress
September 9, 2009, 09:43 AM
The Mini-14 is good to go as well.

GRIZ22
September 9, 2009, 12:48 PM
With the .38/.357 the ammo will be cheaper, and easier to find. Also you MAY soon be limited to a wheel gun.

This would get my vote. Add a 4" revolver and you can handle most situations with these two.

mp5a3
September 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
I bet CA compliant guns last forever, it would be impossible to overheat one:neener:

Red State
September 9, 2009, 03:30 PM
If you want removable magazines, get an M1 carbine, a Ruger PC9, a Mini 14 or M1A.

If you like ARs, get the off list lower and add the bullet button.

If you like lever guns, do it (I think they are really fun). My vote would be for the .357. Cheap .38s for target shooting. Softpoints or hollow points for defense. Buffalo bore ammo for hunting.

By the way, you can't bring any high capacity mags (more than 10 rds) into the state.

Paradiddle
September 9, 2009, 03:51 PM
Number one rule - don't believe what you read on this or any site regarding california gun laws and what is allowed or not allowed. Calguns.net is probably the most solid foundation of non-web BS regarding Cal gun laws.

Beware the FUD.

snorko
September 9, 2009, 04:14 PM
Agreed, if it has a greyish laminate stock it was a limited run of about 350 guns and does indeed sell for north of $700. Had a guy offer me $850 for mine.

THE DARK KNIGHT
September 9, 2009, 04:25 PM
Go with a Saiga or a Mini-14

People will tell you about how they have AR-15's etc. But the guns have either a bullet button magazine lock and/or the stupid Monster Man grip that makes the rifle handle horribly.

okespe04
September 9, 2009, 06:13 PM
They have neutered aks and ars in calli, and you can have a high capacity shotgun too. that would be my choice. Just nothing over 10 rounds. When I travel to calli I bring an unloaded G19 with a loaded 10 round mag next to it locked in a flimsy plastic gun case that I can easily rip right open w/o unlocking if need be. Legal in all states under federal law and still somewhat easy access.

Badlander
September 9, 2009, 06:19 PM
I would buy A marlin and stay in Az.

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