Beretta M9


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welshrabbit
November 27, 2008, 07:28 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to Everyone.
Last night I was at Bass Pro and I had the desire to pick up a Beretta M9. I have seen them many times before and been curious about them but when I picked it up last night I just felt like the grip was phenomenal. I know most everyone else says the grip is too big, but hey to me it was he best grip going bar none, and I am not a big man at all. And now that I finally have needing a .45 out of my head I do not think I could find a metal Double Action that I would prefer.
Anyway I realize that the gun is more maintenace intensive than others and I was hoping that you gentlemen could help me with some guidelines for what parts need to be replaced and when?
Secondly, where would you look to find metal replacement parts for the newer plastic parts on more recent M9's?
Lastly, what is the general consensus on replacing the trigger spring with a Wolff TCU? Does it reallly significantly slow trigger reset?
Thank you,
Shannon

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Slinky
November 27, 2008, 08:46 PM
I've got close to 1500 rounds through mine, and love it. As for maintenance It seems that the locking block suffers the biggest beating but I haven't had to replace anything yet.

johnnylaw53
November 27, 2008, 09:05 PM
Maintenace intensive? I have never heard that. yes there were some problems with the locking block awhile ago but since it is not attached to the barrel like on many other pistol cheaper and easier to replace also they redesign it awhile ago and they do not have to be replace as often. I carried an issued 92 for many years shot it alot and never had a problem with it. Missed it when we went to the sig and went ahead and got a personel 92FS inox a while ago love that weapon no problems at all. I think you will fine it a great weapon most complaint too much about it being too big for a 9mm, and it don't conceal well. It doesn't conceal well but that like buying a truck and complainting it does not go around a race track well that not what it was made for. I did carried it concealed back when it was my issue weapon on those time when I was providing close cover for another narc but once the meet was over it went back in the trunk.

Be safe

be safe

Lone Star
November 28, 2008, 02:25 AM
welshrabbit-

I doubt that you held the M-9, which does have a very full grip. Probably held the commercial M-92FS in a recent version, with the slanted dust cover. This also has the rear of the grip recontoured to fit most hands better.

I tried them side-by-side this summer, and bought the late (new) M-92FS largely because the grip did feel slimmer. The difference is subtle in photos, but certainly felt by the hand.

There is also a difference in the rear sight between the two versions. (Which has which white dots and spots.;)) One can also buy the commercial model with night sights, tritium ones.

My son used the M-9 extensively in Iraq, during three tours. He never had a malfunction, and he did use the gun in combat. He killed three men with it. No failures, but the hits were well centered.

He is a gun enthusiast and talked extensively with other soldiers, and they also never had a jam not due to cheap aftermarket magazines.

The more I look at the current Berettas, with the Third Generation locking block, the better they look.

Lone Star
P.S. I certainly concede that your hand may just like the basic M-9 grip. But do try both styles before buying.

JohnKSa
November 28, 2008, 02:33 AM
Dave Olhasso (http://www.olhasso.com/PS/index.htm) sells some metal parts. You might contact him to see if he has any that aren't listed on his website.

You can't replace the trigger spring with the Wolff part until you put in a metal trigger. I can't tell any difference in trigger feel with the Wolff part. I don't think it's really supposed to alter the feel/character of the trigger--the benefits are easier installation and improved durability.

I believe they're up to 4th generation on the locking blocks and last time I did a survey on the Beretta forum only one person responded that they had seen a failure with the newest locking block design.

uh-oh
November 28, 2008, 03:20 AM
The parts on the commercial m9 are only plastic coated metal, not 100% plastic. Dave Olhasso's site which John mentions has all the metal parts you could want. I have close to 2,000 rounds through my 20th AE commercial m9 and no bobbles. I'm quite pleased with it. You can make sure it's a commercial m9 by the sights as the m9 has a dot-and-post system (what made me want the m9 over the 92fs) which is very quickly acquired. The m9 also lacks the safety warning on the frame and on the slide have the assembly number stamped on them.

welshrabbit
November 28, 2008, 02:35 PM
I appreciate you guys for telling me what you think. Does anyone know about maintenance though? What parts would be nice to have on hand?

Lone Star
November 28, 2008, 03:05 PM
As with any auto, an extractor, and for the Beretta in particular, a spare locking block. After you've fired maybe 3,000 rounds, carefuilly inspect the block under good light with a magnifying glass, and if you ever see a small crack, change it out. But the new blocks are much more durable than the first generation ones.

A spare firing pin is also usually a good idea, for any auto.You may never need it, but who knows?

Frankly, unless you want fancier grips, the gun is ready to go as it comes, and it has the best reputation for out-of-the-box reliability of any auto pistol on the market!

JohnKSa
November 28, 2008, 03:20 PM
A recoil spring is always a good spare to have. You're going to replace the trigger return spring with a Wolff unit, otherwise a spare trigger spring would be good.

The small spring that rides on the triggerbar under the right grip is a good spare to have. Not because they break but because sometimes they accidentally come out and are lost during cleaning.

There's nothing special you need to know about cleaning.

IdahoLT1
November 29, 2008, 11:19 PM
maintainance intensive? no the Beretta 92 isnt at all. An ar15 is maintainance intensive. I have close to 4000 rounds through my 92F. No problems at all. Its the best auto loader i own. Get yourself some good factory mags and you should be good to 20,000+ rounds. The locking block problems they had were from the mid-80's after they won the XM9 trials. They fixed that a long, long time ago. The people that dog on the Beretta's and spread garbage rumors about their quality are butt hurt 1911 nut huggers.

the U.S. Army conducts durability testing of M9 pistols at Aberdeen Proving Ground. These tests revealed an average life of the M9 frame at around 35,000 rounds, of the M9 locking block at around 22,000 rounds, and of the M9 slide at around 75,000 rounds, all well in excess of the contractually-required service life of 5,000 rounds for the pistol. In addition, Government-witnessed tests of the M9 pistol at the Beretta U.S.A. facility resulted in average reliability of the pistol at one malfunction every 17,500 rounds.

zombienerd
November 29, 2008, 11:51 PM
I loved the M9 while I was in the Navy... I thought the grip was perfect for my hand. I never had a jam, never had a misfire, and everything always worked as advertised.

The gunners mates never had any complaints about maintenance, and they are very easy to disassemble.

I can't see one reason why not to own an M9.

CountGlockula
November 30, 2008, 01:45 AM
Was it a true M9 or a 92FS?

JohnKSa
November 30, 2008, 02:19 AM
For a long time the only difference between an M9 and a 92FS was the markings.

There are some minor differences now, but, IMO, still not enough to make a point of differentiating the two models.

Lone Star
November 30, 2008, 11:01 AM
JohnKSa-

The members on the Beretta forum do make an issue of it. The grip feel alone, plus the slanted dust cover, merit the distinction, I think.

Also, the slanted dust cover, created to add strength to the M-96 in .40 S&W caliber, is theoretically stronger than the M-9 types. Probably just a theoretical advantage in the 9mm guns, but comforting.

Lone Star

welshrabbit
November 30, 2008, 12:57 PM
The sticker on the one I handled said M9 and the sights were the pumpkin on top of post that characterize the M9. I personally prefer those sights because I do not like a busy sight picture.

Average Joe
November 30, 2008, 06:41 PM
Maintenance intensive ? I've got over 15,000 rounds through mine, and haven't replaced a single part. Never thought of it until I read this thread...... I don't think you need any spare parts, unless something needs replacing.

JohnKSa
November 30, 2008, 10:38 PM
The members on the Beretta forum do make an issue of it. The grip feel alone, plus the slanted dust cover, merit the distinction, I think.Yeah, I'm a member over there and I never cease to be amazed at the concern these issues cause.

I own a couple of Berettas including one with the slanted dustcover/relieved grip and an older model with a the old style grip and a straight dustcover. I'm a pretty picky person, but until I started reading about these issues over on the Beretta forum I had never even noticed the differences in the two guns.

Some people clearly think it's a big issue, but IMO it's not enough to make a point of differentiating the two models.

THE MACHINIST
November 30, 2008, 11:37 PM
replace trigger return spring to a thicker one, keep it well lubricated

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