Screener's wife caught with gun at airport- won't be charged


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2dogs
September 19, 2003, 08:54 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34693

Screener's wife caught
with gun at airport
But TSA manager's spouse won't be charged with law violation

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Posted: September 19, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The wife of a Transportation Security Administration manager at Denver International Airport won't be charged with a crime after screeners discovered a handgun in her purse.

The Denver Post reports 35-year-old Helene C. Nance was arrested Tuesday after screeners discovered a .380 semi-automatic handgun, seven live rounds and a magazine in her purse as it made its way through an X-ray machine.

Though such finds have often resulted in federal gun charges, Nance – an on-call secretary for the airport's human resources department – won't be charged because, state attorneys said, she did not appear to have intentionally violated the law.

"One of the elements we have to prove is mental state. We do not feel we could prove intent," Lamar Sims, chief deputy district attorney of Denver, told the Post.

Her husband, the paper said, is J.B. Nance, one of 20 TSA screening managers at the airport. Critics believe she wasn't charged because he is a senior TSA official.

Oftentimes – mistake or not – felony charges are leveled against perpetrators, said the Post. But records show in many other cases, charges have not been filed against people who have brought guns into airports

The Virginia-Pilot reported in March that five people had been caught carrying guns into Norfolk International Airport, but none had received jail time.

The Pilot said federal prosecutors had declined to push for incarceration, ostensibly to keep pace with similar cases around the nation.

While one suspect received penalties of up to three years probation and a $4,000 fine, the Pilot said, others of the five paid fines of as little as $75.

Guns are permitted inside airports and can be transported aboard planes, as long as they are stowed in the cargo hold. But weapons must be declared to ticketing agents, transported in hardened, locked cases, unloaded and subjected to inspection by TSA personnel.

Mrs. Nance told police she usually carries her gun in her car. However, she had placed it in her purse the day before when she put the car in the shop for repairs.

As to disciplinary action, airport officials have confiscated her employee badge indefinitely, the paper said. She can't work at the airport without one, say officials.

Airport spokesman Steve Snyder said she will undergo a review by security officials and could face further personnel action.

The Post said the TSA has seized about 1,500 guns since the agency took over responsibility for airport security last year.

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Standing Wolf
September 19, 2003, 10:12 PM
If she's a law-abiding U.S. citizen, she should be able to keep and bear arms anywhere, any time, for any reason that pleases her. If there'd been armed citizens aboard the hijacked aircraft on September 11, 2001, how many Americans would have died?

Fire Mineta!

westex
September 20, 2003, 12:15 AM
In todays society we should never forget that some are more equal than others.

Ala Dan
September 20, 2003, 01:12 AM
WOOPS ! Aren't the laws written for everybody?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

C.R.Sam
September 20, 2003, 01:26 AM
Seems to be pretty inconsistant enforcement/prosecution regardless of connections.

Not at all fair.

Disorganized.

Sam

greyhound
September 20, 2003, 09:31 AM
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

The wife of a Transportation Security Administration manager

I'm well aware that "some are more equal than others":fire: , but now THIS qualifies as one of the elite?

4v50 Gary
September 20, 2003, 09:34 AM
Privatize.

brownie0486
September 20, 2003, 10:47 AM
Privatization did not work for 30 years.
Private security companies hired any warm body they could find, which was very difficult to do at the pay rate the employees were making.

Ask me how I know. I ran a guard agency with 20 employees [ not a big company ] for years [ my own ]. For the going hourly rate of guards in the private sector, well, you get what you pay for.

The federalized TSA can't be any worse at doing their job than the private sector, and it appears they have actually made advances [ at least to some degree ] in checking passengers.

Inconvenient at the gate? sure is. The tighter the security gets, the longer the lines in any venue.

Brownie

Tim Burke
September 20, 2003, 10:53 AM
From the TSA FAQ (http://www.tsa.gov/public/faq.jsp):

What may happen to me if I bring a prohibited item to a security checkpoint?
You may be criminally and/or civilly prosecuted or at the least asked to rid yourself of the item. A screener and/or law enforcement officer will make this determination depending on what the item is and the circumstances. This is because bringing a prohibited item to a security checkpoint-even accidentally-is illegal.
Well, since you can bring a gun and not get charged, apparently it has more to do with the circumstances than what the item is. Circumstances apparently include things like being married to some bureaucrat in the TSA. I have no patience for laws that are enforced selectively, on the whim of some bureaucrat. We are supposed to be governed by laws, not men. Undermining that principle undermines the foundation of the country.

Baba Louie
September 20, 2003, 11:41 AM
Ahhh, the old (Steve Martin) "I Forgot" defense. Works every time boyo.

Sheesh. As IF!

I'm sorry, "I Forgot" I was carrying a loaded gun through a checkpoint clearly marked NO WEAPONS!!!

A simple mistake. I'm sure you understand.

Thanks again.

Orwell was soooooo riiiight! Some animals are MORE equal.

Adios

Triad
September 20, 2003, 12:35 PM
Nance won't be charged because, state attorneys said, she did not appear to have intentionally violated the law.
So ignorance is no defense, but not intending to break the law is?:confused:

cordex
September 20, 2003, 01:04 PM
Privatization did not work for 30 years.
How so?
Seemed to work just fine until a few guys - who followed the rules right up until the last second, mind you - hijacked three planes and crashed them. Even then, the fault was not with the private screeners - warm bodies though they may have been.

The solution is not to pay screeners from a gov't checkbook, ban nail clippers and dig through ladies "dainties" when they check their luggage.

Erik
September 21, 2003, 03:26 AM
TSA security personnel do not decide who has charges filed against them.

Tim Burke
September 21, 2003, 08:45 AM
TSA security personnel do not decide who has charges filed against them.So the TSA FAQ is wrong?
Do the TSA personnel refer everyone with a prohibited item to LEOs, or do they sometimes just confiscate the item and let the person pass? If they let someone pass, isn't that deciding that they won't have charges filed?
Is your position that they sometimes decide who won't have charges filed, but that they never have the last word in deciding who will have charges filed? I think that's a subtle distinction, but if you want to split hairs, technically true. However, I think it is misleading to claim that "TSA security personnel do not decide who has charges filed against them" without explaining the distinction.

answerguy
September 21, 2003, 09:44 AM
They have 20 TSA screening managers? Is everyone called a manager or are they just top heavy or is that airport that big??

greyhound
September 21, 2003, 09:56 AM
Ahhh, the old (Steve Martin) "I Forgot" defense

Good point Baba Louie.

For my money, the kind of person who "forgets" where they put their carry weapon has no reason for carrying it, because how are they supposed to suddenly "remember" where it is if it's needed quickly? Morons.:mad:

submin
September 21, 2003, 12:36 PM
I'm with Gary.

PRIVATIZE!

AZLibertarian
September 21, 2003, 04:54 PM
Privatization did not work for 30 years.
Private security companies hired any warm body they could find, which was very difficult to do at the pay rate the employees were making.

Ask me how I know. I ran a guard agency with 20 employees [ not a big company ] for years [ my own ]. For the going hourly rate of guards in the private sector, well, you get what you pay for.

The federalized TSA can't be any worse at doing their job than the private sector, and it appears they have actually made advances [ at least to some degree ] in checking passengers.

You're right that the private sector "did not work" as airport screeners for quite some time. However, the FAA had oversight over their lack of performance, and for years knew very well just how easy it was to penetrate the "security" at an airport. The airlines, in a continuing quest for more profitable operations, over the years pushed for lower costs. However, the issue that isn't being addressed is that, IMO, the private sector offers an incentive to do a better job at a lower cost, than anything the .gov can hobble together.

The TSA is better than the private companies they've replaced...marginally. The problem is that we're not getting the security the .gov wants the public to believe its getting. We've simply got a better brand of eyewash.

The bigger issue that the TSA is missing is that screening does not equal security. The guy a couple of weeks ago who "shipped" himself to his mom's house, and earlier this summer, the guy and his two sons who washed up from Jamaica Bay at JFK and wondered around for an hour before they were found are just two examples where the gigantic holes in airport security are simply being ignored by the TSA. Simply put, the TSA isn't hacking it.

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