Glock 17 versus Beretta M9A1


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Timradcliffe345
November 27, 2008, 08:57 PM
Looking to get a full size 9mm. Pistol will be mainly a house gun, and on occasion a carry piece. Which one is more accurate, durable, reliable and easiest to detail strip? Thanks and God Bless.

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Onmilo
November 27, 2008, 09:01 PM
Between the two, it would be a matter of personal preference.
Both are sufficiently accurate, reliable and easy to field strip.
The Glock wins when it comes to detail stripping the pistol.
Unless you are limited to 10 round magazines the factory Glock magazines will hold two additional cartridges over the Beretta 15 shot magazine.

Handle both and decide what feels best in your hand.

NFADLR
November 27, 2008, 09:02 PM
SIG P226 or the P229 in 9mm both excellent choices and IMO much better than the Glock or the Beretta.

Timradcliffe345
November 27, 2008, 09:04 PM
SIG P226 or the P229 in 9mm both excellent choices and IMO much better than the Glock or the Beretta.


How are they better?

ashtxsniper
November 27, 2008, 09:16 PM
I own both and I love both equally. I voted Glock for its simplicity but I shoot the 92 better.

distra
November 27, 2008, 09:17 PM
For the price, reliability, accuracy and aftermarket products, it's really tough to beat a G17. Sig's are fine, but the triggers tend to be heavy in DA mode and I really don't like the heavy pull followed by a light SA pull. G17 has a consistent pull every shot. Of course, I'm a 1911 man so a nice full size 1911 would be preferable to all the above. :D

GRIZ22
November 27, 2008, 09:25 PM
I voted Glock but the Beretta would also be a good choice.

easiest to detail strip?

I wouldn't concern myself with this. There is no need to detail strip any firearm unless there is something wrong with it. It is also a good way to screw up a good gun.

mljdeckard
November 27, 2008, 10:15 PM
Both are very easy to strip.

The Beretta does have a nice SA trigger.

The Glock is more rugged and brutally simple. I would grab it over the Beretta every time.

I have carried both extensively and ultimately went back to a 1911. It fits me and I shoot it best.

Marcus L.
November 27, 2008, 10:23 PM
From your list?.....the Glock 17. I generally prefer Sigs, but it is personal preference. The Sigs are more accurate, and I prefer a good DA/SA trigger. However, you can't beat a Glock when it comes to simplicity and ease of maintenance. It's a good first pistol if that is what you are considering. Just stick with 9mm and you'll be in good shape.

twinhairdryers
November 27, 2008, 10:24 PM
I have both, but my G-17 has 13000 round through the pipe. At 8400 rounds I had to replace my trigger spring, and extractor. The extactor was shave thin due to shooting Wolf steel ammo. I paid 27 bucks to get it back in tune. The best factory box gun you can buy. We shoot a lot of action pistol and everyone that does not shoot them has a problem sooner or later.

regal
November 29, 2008, 01:32 PM
I like the factory 17+2 mags available for the G17. When things get bad there is a factory 33 round mag for the Glock. Put a light on the rail and you have a house gun with incredible firepower.

JImbothefiveth
November 29, 2008, 01:54 PM
I can't vote until I know this: Do you already have a home-defense long gun?

Deanimator
November 29, 2008, 02:01 PM
I can't vote until I know this: Do you already have a home-defense long gun?
More importantly, would a long gun be appropriate for HIS home? It wouldn't be in mine. In fact it'd be about as worthless as a scythe.

Deanimator
November 29, 2008, 02:03 PM
I've got a Glock 19 and a Glock 22. They're excellent self-defense guns. I frequently carry the Glock 19.

I don't like the Beretta. The trigger reach is too long for me and I don't like DA/SA guns that can't be carried cocked and locked.

litework
November 29, 2008, 02:06 PM
If you're looking at 9mm, don't limit yourself to these two options alone. Offerings by HK, Smith and Wesson-M&P, CZ, and Sprinfield Armory are worthy of consideration. Beretta also has the PX4 series that is certainly worth a look. My personal preference between the two is the Beretta. I've always liked the balance (loaded and unloaded) and ergonomics of the Beretta.

jocko
November 29, 2008, 02:29 PM
but my vote goes with glock every time. somemight be prettier, but none will go like a glock, including sigs which are great guns, IMO

Probably really not right to compare two great guns either, both do their own thing their way .

Buy and large the G17 or G19 will last your lifetime and your kids lifetime. Theya re just that good..

Line Rider
November 29, 2008, 05:58 PM
I voted for the Glock 17.

The Beretta is a first class gun. The light rail on the M9A1 will be problem when you're looking for a holster. The Glock with be much easier to find a holster for.

If you're set on a Beretta get the 92/ M9 without a light rail.

boldkharma
December 5, 2008, 03:44 PM
Both are excellent handguns. I also own both but prefer the Beretta for HD. I feel they are equal in maintenance, reliability and durability. I like having a manual safety as I have kids in the house and I feel more comfortable with it v.s. the Glock on the nightstand. YMMV

Dr_2_B
December 5, 2008, 07:57 PM
I only own the Glock line, but I believe the 92 is great too. What finally made me vote for the G17 was your requirement for ease of disassembly. Other than that - it's a matter of personal choice.

One bonus for the Glock is the 17 round, 19 round, & 33 round available magazine configurations. For home defense I keep mine loaded with the 33 rounder.

Onmilo
December 6, 2008, 11:12 AM
I have only one major fault issue with the Beretta 92/96 series of pistols.
There is still no easy way to install replaceable tritium night sights on the handgun.
Beretta needs to thicken the front slide ring and install a dovetail front or they need to incorporate a front sight that installs in a similar fasdhion as the Glock.

For this reason alone the Glock gets my overall vote of approval between these two fine pistols.

Blade-Tech produces a holster for the M9A1 with a light installed or you can order one for carry without the light installed and pack the weapon light seperately.

Dynamik1
December 6, 2008, 08:43 PM
I voted for the Beretta that's what I bought when I was looking for a full-size 9mm. It won out simply because of the way it felt in my hand and how it felt when I shot it. It seemed like a natural extension of me.

However, I will echo what others have said about the Glock being a superior platform to expand upon. In order to get Trijicon Tritium sights on the Beretta, the slide has to be machined - cost $150! Also, the availability of Glock armorers, aftermarket items and the like may sway you if you are interested in a platform to tinker with.

M203Sniper
December 6, 2008, 09:24 PM
I voted for other;

on a 9mm platform you have a whole bunch of options. These two are not similar and I can't understand how you came to them.

Either would work as a House/Truck gun

Neither is good for Carry.

Ben86
December 7, 2008, 12:12 AM
You say you want a house gun that can occasionally be used as a carry gun. That alone makes me believe the Glock 17 would be better for you because it's smaller.

Understand that these are very different guns. The Berreta is a DA/SA gun with a manual safety and 5 inch barrel. The Glock is a light double action with no manual safety and 4.5" barrel. Find out what features you prefer. DA/SA w/ manual safety or light DA w/no safety.

As far as performance both are great guns.

ConstantineJ9
December 7, 2008, 12:17 AM
The Glock is more reliable by a longshot.

SJ78
December 7, 2008, 03:57 AM
I personally like Beretta more. But it depends which is more comfortable to you. The Glock 17 is double action only. And has slightly more recoil due to being lighter. I can say for 92fs i've never had 1 problem . And the same with people i know who have one . I've shot Glocks a few times and had one jam . But it was a range gun . The best thing would be to try out both guns .

boldkharma
December 7, 2008, 04:07 AM
"The Glock is more reliable by a longshot" Sounds like fact to me. In the real world I personally don't believe this. I have owned both Glocks and Berettas for many years. I have seen the Glock fail both with limp wristing and with bad ammo. I have also seen the Beretta fail due to bad wolf ammo. I would trust both pistols with my life with good ammo. There are no longshot differences in reliability between the two. I suggest that we base opinions on experience of shooting both platforms rather than internet speculation. Ok, off my soapbox and back to my brewski. "All the way and then some" :)

legion3
December 7, 2008, 05:41 AM
Both are great guns.

I carried a Beretta for years in the military with no issues.

I carried a G17 for years as an LEO with no issues.

I currently carry a Glock 19 for CCW. I like the G17 but there is nothing a G17 can do that my G19 can't do.

Deanimator
December 7, 2008, 07:46 AM
The Glock 17 is double action only.
The BATFE SAYS that, but it's not really accurate. It's an entirely different sort of action. DA only guns can be recocked by only pulling the trigger. You have to pull the slide to the rear again on a Glock.

The Glocks are MUCH easier to shoot than any DA only gun. The trigger pull is usually much smoother and depending upon the connector, lighter. A DA only gun like a 96D may be safer for those who don't practice enough, but a Glock with anything lighter than a NY connector is MUCH easier to shoot WELL.

PAPACHUCK
December 7, 2008, 08:59 AM
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SIG P226 or the P229 in 9mm both excellent choices and IMO much better than the Glock or the Beretta.
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I own a P229 9mm, a Beretta 92FS, and a Glock 19.

The Sig is the finest gun of the three in all respects, but a bit heavy for CCW.
The Beretta is a sweet shooter, but also a large gun.
The Glock 19 is just right for CCW, but not the shooter the other two are.

If you want the gun for carry, the Glock is the choice, but if you want a HD/range pistol, the Beretta would work fine.

North of 49th
December 8, 2008, 10:18 AM
My first full sized 9mm was a Glock 17. Never regretted that buy:) I can't speak for the Beretta but I do know that the Glock will go bang every time and I personally have never had any feeding issues.

Stealth4002
January 27, 2009, 02:42 PM
Both are great options, I LOVE MY M9A1, but i have had some failures to cycle with the beast when it was dirty (200 rnds). It was with my wife and a buddy of mine shooting it. I personally had no problem, but i am adapt to stiff wristing with my Glock.

However I have never had a pistol that out of the box was such a nail puncher, the recoil is so smooth that you forget its a 9mm(not like a 9 has any real kick!!). But i havent put the kind of numbers through the beast to recomend it to you if this is going to be the weapon you would put your life, your familys life ,etc on the line with.

I also have a Glock 23 (.40 S&W) I have had it for 8+ years, I have used it for my duty carry weapon, i have 8000+ rounds through it with 2 FTF's that were caused by a weak mag spring... THAT IS THE ONLY PROBLEM EVER! I have shot it reliably with multiple types of ammo. The trigger caused some shot pulling problems that took me a while to overcome, but it just took some training (mental and range time.)

My duty carry weapon is a ISSUED Beretta 92D Vertec. I HIGHLY DONT RECOMEND ONE OF THESE! I have seen a lot of problems with these and for some reason they hurt my wrist after 10 shots???? i dont get this but ok!

But even though your comparison is between the two, Look at the Sigs, Browning highpowers(i recomend the old Belgium made version if you can find one that someone wants to part with and if you have the $$), Kimber 1911 9mm. JUST FIND ONE THAT FITS YOU! go to a large gun shop and put them in your hand when it feels rite thats you!

and me being a Glock man I have to say. DONT GO XD!:cuss:

BUT My vote goes GLOCK!!:cool:

Racegunner
January 27, 2009, 02:50 PM
I have all sorts of different brands in the safe. Most are really nice shooters.
I carry a Glock.

Trigun
January 27, 2009, 06:40 PM
The better choice would be Beretta 92fs VS Glock 17. I Have the G17, great gun for the money, a ugly horse and work everytime. 92fs is a piece of fine art with outstanding lines, fit and finsh and go bang all the time, if you will carry the gun sometimes, than as mentioned the G19 is not bad either.

Trigun

heavyshooter
January 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
SIG P226 or the P229 in 9mm both excellent choices and IMO much better than the Glock or the Beretta.

I wholeheartedly agree. If price is not an issue, get the Sig. The Glock and Beretta are both good guns though.

Heavy

Meadows117
January 27, 2009, 11:07 PM
Cz sp01

Prince Yamato
January 28, 2009, 02:39 AM
I used to have a Beretta 92FS. It was my first handgun. It was very accurate, but was finicky with ammo. I sold it and bought a Glock 34 (the longer barreled version of the G17). It was more accurate, in my opinion. I don't enjoy cleaning my guns and I like knowing that the Glock will function whether I clean it or not.

johnnylaw53
January 28, 2009, 07:33 AM
I voted for the Beretta but to be fair I know nothing of the Glock I have never shot one when I was about 9 I put my last water pistol up and since I stop using water for ammo I have had no need to use a plastic gun. Come on glock guys it a joke dont get fire up.

be safe

DougW
January 28, 2009, 10:37 PM
I have owned both, recently sold the Baretta 92 because I shoot the Glock much better. The Glock is much more simple, but the 92 is an excellant pistol.

Ben86
January 28, 2009, 11:40 PM
I vote for an M&P9. It is every bit as reliable and accurate as a Glock or Beretta. The ergos are fantastic. And its an American company.

The Beretta M9 feels too fat in my hand. The Glock grip chews into my hand and I hate finger groves. Like I don't know were to put my fingers. I want to decide where! :)

Anyway I highly recommend the M&P.

QuietEarp
January 29, 2009, 01:15 AM
I think you should handle and shoot both, they are fairly different from each other. I have good experiences with the Beretta 92, It is accurate, durable, reliable and easy to field strip. I have mostly used it as a range gun and I have no complaints. I like the way it feels in my hand and I prefer metal guns. I have not as much experience with the Glock so I won't comment except to state the obvious, that lots of people like them especially as carry pieces. Go look at some guns and good luck.

C-grunt
January 29, 2009, 02:02 AM
I voted Glock 17 but you couldnt go wrong with either. I think the 92fs will be slightly more accurate though.

You should really check out other makes as well, if you havent already. Sigs, HK, S&W MP9, XD, and make sure you check out the CZ75 or 85. These are Fantastic guns in every way and look almost a sexy as the Beretta. I came VERY VERY close to buying one today but ended up with a 1911.

jackdanson
January 29, 2009, 02:16 AM
The Glock is more reliable by a longshot

bleh.. more reliable, maybe... my beretta has 4000+ rounds through it without a malfunction. I've seen both malfunction, both are rare.

2 very different guns, both are fine. I don't like the way glocks "feel". I also like a manual or backstrap safety. (like an XD or 1911)

JBinMontana
January 29, 2009, 08:09 AM
I voted other since what your looking for is a house gun in 9mm. There are many fine brands out there that are available. I've carried Glock on duty, and I've owned Berretta in the 92SF etc. Go see what fits your hand the best, and not others opinions.

OregonJohnny
January 29, 2009, 12:38 PM
I have a bitter clinging loyalty to Beretta. My first lusting for a handgun came when I saw the Lethal Weapon movies as a kid and watched Riggs (Mel Gibson) wield his Beretta 92FS with amazing Hollywood gusto. Then my dad purchased one of the very first model 96's (the .40 cal version). This was the first handgun I got to shoot on a regular basis. I'd beg my dad to let me clean it when we got home and I'd always spend a little more time on it then the others.

I finally bought my own Italian 92FS less than a year ago. Out of all my handguns, it's the first one I pull out of the safe to just fondle and look at. It's rugged, reliable, and it's also a beautiful work of art. The same cannot be said about a Glock. I don't care how many times I see and/or hold/shoot a Glock, they make my stomach turn. Nasty things. You either love Glocks or hate them. I think you can guess where I stand.

RP88
February 8, 2009, 09:18 PM
*revives*

a question...

I plan on getting a handgun soon for my 21st b-day present (a gift from me to me), but I havent fondled either in awhile, so I thought I'd ask for a few opinions:

How would you compare the trigger/trigger pull on both the glock and the Beretta/M9? lighter, heavier, longer, shorter, etc? I'll probably find out when I go to the shop next time I get to shoot, but thought I'd ask in case someone can point out some things to look for.

whited
February 9, 2009, 02:11 PM
Many people complain about the Glock trigger, and I can see why. If you're
not used to it, it can be irritating and I have even read that it hurts after
a while. I have not experienced this phenomenon with mine, but that is
because I am accustomed to it. If you practice with it, you don't even
notice it after a while.

My vote goes for the Glock 17. Glock may have their detractors, and
perhaps there is some value in these objections, but 9mm pistols is one
thing that Glock has down cold. They feed anything and are accurate
enough.

"The one that fits best" is the correct answer, though.

Big Mike
February 9, 2009, 06:37 PM
Picked the Beretta. Have owned both, prefer the Beretta.

reb27
February 9, 2009, 06:49 PM
Voted GLOCK 17. Have had both. Still have the 17.

baryon
February 9, 2009, 10:27 PM
Neither. I highly recommend a M&P or Sig SP2022. :D

muddywatters
February 9, 2009, 11:47 PM
Timely question. Shot both at the range today, my g17 and a buddies Beretta. The Beretta slide locked up on a spent casing and took some serious muscle to get it to clear. Didn't like the cheap Remington yellow box UMC but the Glock ate everything it was fed. Like the sights better on the Glock as well. Both are good pistols but I voted for the Glock.

Duke of Doubt
February 10, 2009, 12:40 AM
Beretta all the way, hands down. Good enough for the Army, good enough for me. Oldest firearms maker in the world.

I wouldn't carry a Glockenspiel even if some fool paid me to. Nasty striker-fired plastic thing; one step above a Hi-Point.

OregonJohnny
February 13, 2009, 12:09 AM
I had a chance to shoot my Beretta 92 this past weekend and I'm looking at it right now on my desk as I type this. Oh what a beautiful gun. The feel of a hefty yet svelt, all-metal, DA/SA, smooth-as-butter, Italian 9mm pistol is something that really puts a smile on my face. Some say the 9mm is something Glock has down pat. I say, the Beretta had it down pat at least 15 years earlier. My 92FS eats cheap 9mm and spits it out like a well-oiled machine. It ticks like a Swiss timepiece and soaks up recoil as if it's just yawning and stretching without a care in the world. I can't say enough good things about the Beretta. The instant I put a Glock, of any model number, in my hand, it feels odd and foreign. For my hand, the Beretta feels like a perfectly worn, lightly oiled leather driving glove that's been handed down for generations, and the Glock feels like one of those clumsy neoprene fingerless duck hunting gloves you buy at Wal-Mart for $4.99/pair.

usmc1371
February 13, 2009, 05:39 AM
I voted glock but I owned and carried a 92fs for 7 years and shot it enough to need a new barrle and broke the locking lug once. I loved it and would buy another. every M9 I shot in the marines was crap, bad maintince and lousy ammo IMHO. I now shoot a glock 35 for ipsc and its great. But the night stant holds a springfield 1911. Buy the one that fits your hands and points naturaly they are both more accurate than most the people who own them.

golden
February 14, 2009, 01:31 AM
I have carried both the GLOCK 17 and BERETTA 92. I would prefer to carry the GLOCK 17, as it is lighter. On the other hand, the BERETTA is more accurate by a margin.
I usually choose the BERETTA 92D Brigadier as my house gun.
Both are absolutely reliable, in my experience.

If I could only pick one, it would be a GLOCK 19, as the smaller model is easier to conceal and just as accurate as the GLOCK 17.

Jim

kickert318
February 14, 2009, 03:07 AM
Glock all the way but, I would really like to suggest that you consider something other than a 9mm. I do not mind a .40 cal but am a big fan of the .45. If the Glock 21 is a little big for your hand try a Glock 21 SF. It is thier new slim frame. I does not look like much of a difference but, it feel ALOT smaller.

Zach S
February 14, 2009, 08:11 AM
Out of the two, I'd go for the G17. I've never cared much for the backwards, slide-mounted M9 safety.

I prefer the safety of the PT92, its just not got the fit and finish of the M9. I did look into the PT92 while shopping for a beater 9mm, however I went with the Glock simply because of magazine availability.

As far as the SIG recommendation goes, I've seen broken examples from most manufactures. But broken SIGs are like ten second Hondas. I've heard about them online, I know they're out here, but I've never seen one.

SimpleIsGood229
February 14, 2009, 08:22 AM
I don't mean to be unhelpful, but you really have to personally handle as many pistols as you can. It's purely personal preference, as mentioned above.

As for me, I'd pick the Beretta over the Glock. I can't stand the Glock's ergos. I consider the Beretta to be better in this regard, but still not the best. What does this mean to you? Nothing.

Geezer Glide
February 14, 2009, 10:23 AM
I have seen the Glock fail both with limp wristing and with bad ammo. I have also seen the Beretta fail due to bad wolf ammo.

Don't you think any gun would fail with bad ammo?

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