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piranha45
November 28, 2008, 12:33 PM
in particular, I ask why my Speer Gold Dot ammunition casings are not brass-colored; they have the appearance of tin or the like. I understand this to be quality self-defense ammunition....

8830
November 28, 2008, 12:35 PM
The silver cases are nickel, CCI Blazer is aluminum and Wolf is steel. That's why they are not all brass colored.

Jim Watson
November 28, 2008, 01:21 PM
The silver cases are nickel plated over brass. Once upon a time meant to prevent tarnishing and corrosion of ammunition carried in leather belt loops. Now it seems to be a trademark for the high priced "premium" ammunition in the little boxes at big box prices.

loneviking
November 28, 2008, 01:36 PM
And what about the copper colored, military stuff I find at the range? The cases are brass, but the body of the case is copper colored, maybe copper plated?

louie19
November 28, 2008, 01:59 PM
CCI has a nice page that visually shows how the Gold Dots are made: http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/gold_dot_const.aspx

The last step confirms that they are nickel-plated brass cases. Also I don't think there's actually any gold in them. It's lead core, bonded/plated with copper, which is then seated in a nickel-plated brass case (plus primer + propellant). I found some more info about Gold Dots on this older thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5070253

From my research, the Gold Dots are some of the highest quality self-defense ammo that you can buy. Apparently they're also pretty effective. I'm using the 124gr +P in 9mm, personally.

Jim Watson
November 28, 2008, 02:12 PM
Most of that copper colored stuff is steel plated with copper for rust protection until shot.

evan price
November 28, 2008, 04:29 PM
The nickle plated cases also (to me) feed smoother and more slippery than plain brass does. However, some imported ammo uses a steel cases that is plated and looks like nickled brass. Makarov stuff especialy. There's also a lot of copper-plated steel cases out there too.

The "gold dot" moniker comes from the process that makes the hollow point- it is punched after the lead core is plated with copper- leaving a little "dot" of copper plating in the bottom of the hollowpoint cavity. Thus, "Gold Dots" was what they were called.

usp9
November 28, 2008, 04:46 PM
There is some funky epoxy coated/ steel case green commie ammo too. Hornady used a black nickel coating for their high quality carry ammo, (TAP).

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 28, 2008, 10:44 PM
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rhinoh
November 29, 2008, 07:09 AM
The name "Gold Dot" always puzzled me...there is no gold or even a gold color :scrutiny:

Zesty
November 29, 2008, 12:38 PM
^When you recover the expanded slug there is usually a little gold dot right in the center.

Walkalong
November 29, 2008, 03:01 PM
I have 400 RA 65 .45 cases that are copper colored. Interesting brass.

Jim Watson
November 29, 2008, 03:20 PM
Probably been chemically cleaned with something that dezincified the surface of the brass.

Deanimator
November 29, 2008, 04:39 PM
The nickle plated cases also (to me) feed smoother and more slippery than plain brass does.
I find that they come out of the resize/decap die more easily when reloaded as well. The vast majority of my .38 Special cases (I have literally thousands) are nickeled. I like them better.

DAVIDSDIVAD
November 29, 2008, 10:19 PM
What I really like about the Nickel cases is that they don't leave brass all over my extractor, or anywhere else in the receiver.

Walkalong
November 30, 2008, 11:33 AM
Probably been chemically cleaned with something that dezincified the surface of the brass.That has been my concern. It looked good when I bought it, cheap, but over time it turned color. It will shine up OK, but turns back copper colored. I have never used it for that reason, although I figure it would hold up for a firing or two, I think.