Youth 22 - advice sought...


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briang2ad
November 28, 2008, 04:06 PM
Saw a CZ Kadet today for $280. Nice little rifle. Sights are a bit crude, and the mag is plastic. BUT, it would be a nice gun for my little guys (7 and 9). I would like a mag gun (not single shot) for them, because it is easier to shoot/load, and it would teach them about magazines.

Anyone seen a Model 5 Rem youth - how would the sights/mags be? Compared to a CZ Kadet? Thanks.

ANY OTHER models like this out there. (I don't even mind looking for an old walnut stocked gun)...

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woof
November 28, 2008, 04:44 PM
Because youth .22s tend to be temporary I would spend less than that on a Savage Mark II youth. Accuracy difference is splitting hairs, same 10 round mag as on all Mark IIs, save over $100 which you then put toward the CZ 452 in a few more years. Just my opinion. The Rem Five is ok as well and you can get it for a little over 150 too.

Babydeuce
November 28, 2008, 09:08 PM
Couple of others to look at:

1 Mossberg 801 plinkster youth...10 round mag, or single shot
2. Marlin 915Y

Both are excellent shooters that would be the correct size for your kids.

My 9 year old daughter shoots a Mossberg 801, and she loves it. My 11 year old son shoots a Marlin 925(Same action as the 915Y)

Jack

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 28, 2008, 11:16 PM
The CZ Kadet is a semi-auto .22 pistol - perhaps you mean the 452 "Scout"? In any event, the Scout is an excellent choice in a youth .22.

The Savage Cub is also a well-made youth .22:

http://www.savagearms.com/cub.htm

JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone
November 29, 2008, 12:24 AM
Well.. I have 14 and 16 year old boys. They started shooting at age 9ish. Both had single shots to begin with. But as soon as I pulled the 10-22 from the case they both fell in love with it. It's lighter than the Marlin/Glenfield 60 I had, and about the same as the Rossi singles they had. Accuracy was middle of the road between the three.

Thing is, I'm upgrading their deer and .22 rifles now and it would seem that if I'd have made the right chioce in the first place, they'd both have Ruger 10-22's that they would probably have for life. I think it would be a great first .22. And it is a great plinker for an adult. There are several 'Youth sized' starter 22's available, but lets face it, at that age they'll be shooting from the bench anyway. Not off hand. So, get them something they'll treasure for a long time to come.

-Steve

briang2ad
November 29, 2008, 09:05 AM
Yes - I do mean Scout. I already have a Rem 552, but it is a little big. I DO like the mag feed on the CZ Scout and Rem 5 Youth - I do not see another maker with a SMALL 22 with Mag feed. To me single shot would be kind of limited after a short time - maybe not...

hksw
November 29, 2008, 11:39 AM
Don't throw away the single shot mag for the Scout if you choose that rifle. You may eventually get another CZ for bench shooting and the single shot can come in handy. The Scout, of course, can take the regular 5 and 10 round mags.

Have not tried the Rem 5 but compared to the Marlin 15YN, the Scout is the better gun, IMO. (Not just due to potential mag capacity.)

Ruger does make a youth model of the 10/22, the CRR. The length of pull is slightly longer than the CZ's by about " but still quite short.

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=1168&return=Y

ken22250
November 29, 2008, 11:57 AM
no personal experence, but as a general rule, remington sights are some of the best sights ive used (from a factory rifle).
ken

woof
November 29, 2008, 12:05 PM
I don't know how small you mean but the Savage Mark II GY has a 19 inch barrel and a shorter stock. I don't think it is any bigger than a CZ scout. Here's a link for $154, scroll down to find it. By the way, I am not in favor of semis for first guns. I think the inherent safety of having to perform an action to get a second shot is part of the learning process.

http://www.ozarkguns.com/rifles/sav/savage_arms_mark2_series_rifles.htm

poco loco
November 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
My boy got a Marlin 39m 20" bbl for his first from gramps and loved it. Heck I loved it!

They're a little heavy but he was a big boy. The big drawback, cost. The big plus, the 39 will last to be passed down to his grandchildren and still be a great shooter.

Plus I agree with woof that for safety, there should be a second action required to shoot the next round. Even with the best supervision, kids do stupid things at times.

Good luck and have fun, we sure did............

cracked butt
November 29, 2008, 01:08 PM
I Can't say enough good things about the Savage MKII Cub.

Nhsport
November 29, 2008, 01:11 PM
With proper supervision there is nothing wrong with a magazine gun or a semi.
One way is to purchase a 10/22, get someone to give you their old takeoff stock (when they built a custom job) and chop the old wood stock back to fit the kid.
Stock 10/22s have a short light barrel so with a short stock you can fit a pretty small kid.
When the kid grows you will have a regular sized stock ready to go.
On the one I did for a friend I used one of the $40 red dots . lineing up front and rear sights is dificult for the little tykes but putting the red dot on target is easy!

shevrock
November 29, 2008, 02:25 PM
IF, you do go for a single shot. a really nice find would be an H&R 755. their older, but hold up really well. I'm trying to find another one right now. i haven't really taught my brother about mags to much. but what i did teach him i taught with an ak :) if do have one the simple mag system works really well for younger shooter. though the recoil..... not so much. my brother did okay with it though. i hope you find what your looking for.

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